I’m glad Gunther is reacting to Bets’ statement with something of a chill in his tone, rather than acting like he should be grateful that she’s finally talking to him. The fact that Bets treated him in the shabby way she says she has been treated in the past means she never really took the time to know what kind of guy he is.
En lugar de tomar un papel de víctima, Bets debería analizar el por qué cada quien la ha abandonado. Espero que ahora sí Gunther se arme de valor y le haga ver su realidad.
“Leaving does not hurt quite as much as being left.”
Sooo, Bets – you have experienced all this “being left”, and because you wanted to be the one doing the leaving this time around, for weeks you ghost poor Gunther, who would do anything for you and loves you even if you treated him in the worst manner? That is pretty sick. You need some kind of help and Gunther needs to find someone who treats him as an equal instead of being in a relationship where he is being controlled and used all the time as well as being your “prop”.
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One would think that you would have learned how it felt to be “left” and would never want to hurt someone you supposedly love by doing that same thing to them. Think about how you felt.
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I know, I am talking to a cartoon character, but it gets the point across.
Finally and yet nothing revelatory. Gunther still looks angry in the last panel. Is he going to unload on Bets? Storm out? Or just roll over like he always does. Considering how lame Bets’ explanation us, I’m for storming out.
she’s been left many times so she wanted to do the leaving this time. OK. The good thing is that they are actually talking and Gunther is not just rolling over. Talking usually means working things out. I don’t think Gunther wants to leave but he does want his feelings to be considered.
Forget her, Gunther. Stick to vector calculus. Maths is never going to give you up, never going to let you down, never going to run around and desert you, never going to make you cry, never going to say goodbye, never going to tell a lie and hurt you.
I don’t agree with her actions, but I have known people who were hurt several times so they would sabotage their relationships pretty fast once things started to get ‘real’. It was their defense mechanism. They too were looking out for themselves, and even if they did take some consideration for the other’s feelings, it was less important, because they were not able to take the risk.
There’s a scene in “The Goodbye Girl” where Elliott says,
_"I hate those guys
that walked out of here.
I hate them.
I’m the only one that’s comin’ back
and I’m gettin’ all the blame."_
Gunther should not subjected to being compared to others that have hurt her.
I’m thinking this is why she is so into cosplay. You’re less likely to be hurt by faceless strangers. Than by someone you’ve trusted your heart to, who then breaks it.
What everybody complaining about Bets dragging Gunther around to cosplay conventions forgets, is Gunther enjoys cosplaying too. (Though admittedly not at the same level as she does). Particularly costume design.
As yes, there is an ironic Hypocrisy in hurting someone by breaking up, before they break up with you. But it’s also kinda sad. This girl has serious trust issues.
So she hurts him by breaking up, not because she wanted to, but because she has been hurt too many times before. Unlike a majority of readers of this strip, who seem to take a perverse pleasure in the idea of Gunther deliberately inflicting hurt on her.
And on a final note; based on previous comments sent, I can hazard a guess why so many of you are so eager to break up Gun and Bets. And you shippers are wasting your time. Just because these two might break up, is no indication that Gunther and Tiffany (or Luann, or Bernice, or (heck, pick any single girl in the strip)) will hook up.
Really, Bets? That’s lame. That’s the best you can offer? Be the one who leaves? Is this a game to you? When Gunther said the L word. you decided it was your turn to do the leaving and that was that. Relationships are not a tag game You are immature and not ready for a mature relationship. May I suggest you to simply date for now? Enjoy their companionships and some fun without commitment until you grow up and are ready for the real thing. Say goodbye to Gunther and go.
I get where Bets is coming from. People been calling her all sorts of names and putting her down, but it’s clear they don’t understand trauma and betrayal and how hard it can affect someone (especially in their early 20s. I’m in my mid-30s and I’m single to this day because I can’t trust; it’s a knee-jerk reaction at this point. I don’t wish that on anyone). Bets COULD have just gone back to her instincts and ran away to keep from feeling more pain again, but she’s taking the chance. And let’s be honest: Gunther is worth the risk. Maybe you’re good-for-nothing family isn’t. Maybe your two-faced friends aren’t. Maybe you’re manipulative lovers aren’t. But Gunther is.
If someone feels that they will always be hurt in any relationship, so that they have to abandon the other person first, then the best thing to do is not get into a relationship to begin with!
Trust is a hard thing to come by Bets, that is true but running away will leave you lonely and sad every time. You are lucky Gunnie is still trying to make it work. Instead of thinking negative go with a mantra like Lonesome Dave and Foghat had in “Third Time Lucky”, so what if it did not work out before, that is the past, this is now! Maybe this is the time you are lucky Bets, not someone else but not if you are afraid to try…..
Bets looks so vulnerable right now♡. I think she’s telling the truth. Gunther has every right too see the weirdness in her explanation and be angry, but I want to know more about Bets’ past and her relationship with her parents. I just hope they can make up and get back together, or at least stay friends.
Interesting that they’ve been dating a while, now, and this is just coming up—why didn’t Gun know this about her before? Did they never, ever discuss past relationships? No curiosity at all? Hard to believe that. Subject verboten? Big fat red flag. Oh, well, they’re young. Youth! Too bad it’s wasted on the young.
Long-term prediction here is nothing else is gonna come out of this love-then-leave situation. Eventually, one of these characters will be written out of the strip.
As I’ve said. Bets just took EVERY “bad relationship” she’s had, out on Gunther.
And thrown in “issues” she’s had with Her friends and family to boot.
I’m not sure, but maybe there’s a good reason people have abandoned her?
A reason that had nothing to with them but EVERYTHING to do with her?
After being with him for over two plus years, Bets STILL doesn’t trust Him.
Well, at least We have a “hint” why Bets hates Gunther’s “lady friends.”
As “fair-weather” as they can be sometimes, at least they STAY.
Some fans may rejoice at Bets’ “confession.” (I’m looking at You #1,)
As for Me?
I think Gunther should politely thank Bets for her admission. And he should apologize for inadvertently putting her through so much Hell, and vow that he’s going to see to it that he NEVER hurts her again.
Then “Gun” should bid her a fond farewell, reach for his car keys and head for the door without another word.
Hmmm, so this is only Monday. And we’re here. Saturday: Either Gunther convinces her that his undying love will never leave her and she can put her trust in him to soothe her past hurts and let downs. “OR”, she bails with everyone she meets because she can never trust anyone due to a very abusive past which never has been dealt with. This can be salvaged, “IF” Gunther pulls back a bit and say to the affect that, “Well maybe now we’re not there yet, I’m sorry but you mean so much to me, let continue as a couple and enjoy each other now and let the future take care of itself. What happens will happen down the road.”. Heck, no one has a crystal ball and can deep reveal the future. All you can do is live for today and hope for a bright future. Otherwise what’s right in front of you can escape you and is gone. You can never reach and get those back, ever.
So, on Saturday I commented: "Gunther: “You love me?? But, But …. where did you go … ??” Betts: “I was nervous. I forgot to tell you. I had to go home and turn off the coffee pot. I didn’t have enough money to leave you cab fare. My prom dress didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts!” (Pluss, as I was reminded, “The dog ate my homework”.) Her excuse today isn’t quite that elaborate …. but the week is still very young.
I was listening to a discussion on how to deal with rejection the other day and one woman stated, “I learned to reject people before they had a chance to reject me.” Bets obviously has unresolved traumatic abandonment / rejection experiences that she projects onto her friendships / relationships. It has created an emotionally immature defense mechanism. If she becomes self aware and is willing to seek counseling and willing to grow, she may overcome those issues and have a successful relationship in the future.
I guess today’s confession by Betts is supposed to help explain away her obession with posting everything on “social media.” Can somebody run this by Dr. Phil McGraw, or, some other pop psychologist to try and make sense out of this?
This is a great development, explanation. Gunther has some skepticism, Bets displays some humility. I scanned the general thinking and there remains much negative rationale toward Bets here. As I like to say wait for it. I see no reason for there to be a breakup, and hope that is where this is going, working through problems, being open and honest is a good basis for a relationship generally. Let’s see where it lands in this iteration of Luannverse.
Two of my GFs in College did something similar to me. They said I was too good to be true so clearly I was going to break their hearts so they broke up with me. (The first one and only other one in college I broke up with because I realized she was an alcoholic.) My wife kept questioning me for the first six months of our marriage for the same reason before she decided to just go with it until she had a real reason from me (not based on previous men she dated) to doubt me.
So women, there are some good ones out there but if you keep being cynical, you will never get one.
Well, here we go. Bets explains why she deserted Gunther at WW. While I do feel sorry for her but that is NO excuse for what she did. She has a lot of growing up to do. But Gunther will totally forgive her for it and accept her explanation.
Didn’t I say that Bets would have back story about love and relationships that was based on people walking out on her?
“WHOOMP! THERE IT IS! WHOOMP! THERE IT IS! WHOOMP! THERE IT IS!”
She was terrified of her own emotions and of the situations, so she fled, unable to control herself or the situation.
Now we will hear Gunther’s side of this story, and by Saturday, they’ll be in each other’s arms while Tiffany modestly takes full credit for that happening.
Bets couldn’t help the way her family treated her. But she is totally responsible for the friends and boyfriends she chooses now. If she is bad at choosing, therapy could help. IF she thinks Gunther would hurt her, she Really needs mental help.
I hope Gunther does not get drawn back into Bets issues. She will only hurt him again until she gets her head straightened out. She needs professional help.
No wonder Gunthy is drawn to Betts! I get it now. Who has a mother who knows no boundaries, and controls Gunthers every move, by packing him up and sticking him in her backyard. Even assigned who he lives with, who happens to be his bully.
Who feels the hurt and anger of being left by his father the most important person a boy could ever need?
That’s our Gunthy’s wounded psyche. Very compatible with Betts who wants to control, and leave!!
The two of them need to run not walk to the nearest mental health center.
I will say it again. Look at what Greg Evans does to his characters. Except for Brad and Toni (and Luann’s parents), everyone ends up alone. It seems to be a hard and cruel rule in the Evans universe that Luann, Berniece, TJ, Tiffany, Leslie, Jack, Nil, Ox, Piro, for whatever reason are not allowed a serious, sustained relationship with someone who cares for them.
I don’t care about the ‘reasons’, I care about resolution, and Evans is missing the barn, let alone the target, just about every time.
I am rather glad to see a somewhat sour, disbelieving expression on Gunther’s face at the moment. I do not want him to go into full blown angry Gunther mode…. but he does need and does deserve to be rather skeptical about Bets’ current words…. and potential intentions.
Even though I get the gut feeling that Gunther is going to be “all forgiving” and the duo will be together by week’s end….. I will be rather damn angry if the Gunther/Bets relationship remains the same…. which has been to a large extent where Bets is in charge and leads Gunther around to do and be at whatever Bets wants. If the two of them again become a couple ( which I suspect will happen, even though I still at this juncture wish they would not )…. then Gunther needs to not be all “mealy mouthed” and timid and an easy pushover for whatever Bets wants him to do anymore. It really needs to be a partnership of equals.
I still think the “I left because it is easier that having someone leave me.” statement is obnoxious bull****. PERHAPS this could have been something Bets did initially at the spur of the moment…. but…. it still does not justify Bets leaving Gunther hanging for what seems to have been at least a few weeks. That is just obnoxious . AND it appears that if it had not been for Tiffany’s crazy plan…. Bets would have simply continued to ignore Gunther for who knows how long.
Here’s my prediction: There will be a week’s worth of ping-pong back-and-forth, and then one of them will stomp off in a huff, leaving the other one sitting there all agape.
So everyone in Bets’ life has abandoned her? Everyone——including her family——-has said “oh, we love you, Bets” then ditched her?
REALLY???
I would like to hear from her family and friends and get their side of the story, and NOT just what is told by Bets. I would also like to hear from some of those “liars and cheaters” she claims she used to date. They may have been perfectly nice guys just not the doormat Gunther is. They didn’t let her run roughshod over them, so in her book they’re “liars and cheaters.”
I know that will never happen. G&K will never spend all that time and effort to create a backstory for one single character in their strip. Still it would be nice to get someone else’s perspective, not just Bets.
Maybe all Bets did in the past was declare her love too soon and was ghosted instead. It may be that she has had her heart broken enough times that she never broaches getting serious, because it has backfired on her too many times, and Gunther absolutely freaked her out.
Now this admittedly forced meeting may actually have a silver lining, in that she actually voiced her feelings out loud. It may be ‘too little too late’ but maybe not.
Actually, sometimes a rocky start can lead to a lifetime of happiness.
I totally get where Bets is coming from. Not sure if Gunther is the guy who can get her out of the rut, though. There seem to be other aspects of the relationship that will be trouble.
Her fear of love would explain her neediness – her sheer dependency – on social media acceptance! A whole bunch of ‘likes’ is easier online … yet more removed from true interaction!
Now begins the saga of The Great Rehabilitation of The Character Formally Known As Bets.
Up to now, the Character Formerly Known As Bets was always depicted by GnK as “aggressive, dominant, bossy” (quotes by GnK via Bernice). From the very first meeting where she moved the venue from The Fuse to Taco Town, her character has “possessed” Gunther, even to renaming him as “Gun.” Gun has been treated as a lackey in doing her bidding and/or maintaining her self image by acting as eye candy for her social sycophants.
Bets started with positive reviews, being likened to the universally popular Star Trek character Lt. Commander Uhura. The preponderance of commenters have been turned in their opinions as the character became manifest in her subsequent behaviors.
What appears to be the rehab of the character is now underway. In all likelihood Bets’ character will be restored to that of a suitable companion for one of the signature characters in the strip.
Commenter ericbrower makes an interesting statement “there is an ironic Hypocrisy in hurting someone by breaking up, before they break up with you.”
This could also be taken as a subtle attempt on the Bets’ part to manipulate Gunther into not breaking up with her because then he would be merely one of the “guys” that have hurt her. An appeal that might work with the overly sensitive Gunther.
No trust there. At. All. If she couldn’t trust him enough to talk to him before this, how can he trust her now? He doesn’t seem to be accepting her explanation as now he’s the dumpee. Do either of them see why people left her and will they discuss her attitudes? Getting heavy, maybe we need some comic relief, Tiffany?
I don’t think this is as far off the mark as some of you do. I once was dating a guy who told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wanted to date me but wasn’t ready for any type of commitment. I agreed with him and… he disappeared, just as Bets did here. I did call him after a couple of weeks and he reluctantly agreed that it wasn’t fair for him to feel this way but require differently from me. Fast forward a couple of years and the relationship had gone completely bad and I told him I thought we should end it. He disagreed, begged me to try again, etc. Our next date he said we should end it. I asked him why he didn’t just agree to it when I suggested it and he said, “I wanted to be the one who dumped you.” People are weird. We were both in our 20s, it wasn’t like we were still in high school.
As should be obvious, I was much better off without him!
Wow Bets, great coverup! She is so selfish, she would rather make Gunther suffer rather than them both just be happy together! RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN GUNTHER!
Based on most of the comments for this strip, I assume everyone is in, or has been in perfect relationships and have always acted admirably at all times under all situations. Never been hurt and NEVER hurt anyone else. Also based on the comments for this strip I would hazard a guess not!
People are afraid of the permanence of “I love you”. It highlights people’s dreams and experiences that don’t support the reality of life and the unresolved crisis experiences that circulates or maybe follows your life’s existence.
My three favorite characters in this strip: Tiffany, Gunther, and Bets. I say this up front because too much has been made of the Tiff vs. Bets kerfuffle, which to me, always looked like little more than a plot device for „hilarity ensues™“ and I don’t want to be seen as prejudiced in favor of either Tiff or Bets.
But,
„Leaving doesn’t hurt quite as bad as being left.“
crosses a line for me. Willingness to inflict pain rather than to risk receiving pain.
Not sure what kind of a back story G&K intend to give us, but that line above, „Leaving doesn’t hurt quite as bad as being left“, now that’s got to hurt. At this point, I’d say Gunther is justified if he walks out.
I’m not entirely sure I’m buying Bet’s excuse. Why all the animosity towards Tiff if it’s a you issue (& maybey Gunther. He still has lot of red flags for me.)? It comes across as jealous & controlling, not insecure or hurt.
This is absolutely classic. I don’t want to be hurt again, so I’ll hurt you instead. Protect myself at all costs. I’m sorry if I hurt you, but I’m more important than you are. Okay. Got it. This is actually the first time I’ve seen Gunther looked annoyed at this whole situation. So, I don’t know quite what that portends. If he tells Bets to take a walk, it’s just a self-fulfilling prophecy on her part. If he stays to please her, he dooms himself to a lifetime of being a spineless doormat. Can this relationship be saved? SHOULD this relationship be saved? The girl’s got issues, Gunther. Do you love her enough to stick with her while she works things out, or will you save yourself and walk away? Maybe couples therapy? Only time will tell. However, I don’t think hilarity will ensue…
Let’s try this again, I know it is too complicated for many:
Try to treat others the way you wish they treated you.
It doesn’t always work, because some people like to be mistreated, but — in general — it helps because we are mostly alike. " If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"
I hope Gunther will forgive rather than let Shylock be his guide.
Tom Jones (the other one), “Try to Remember (Reprise),” from The Fantasticks (emphasis added). But sooner or later, one has to get over the hurt, and engage.
…
If someone stays and someone leaves
You know I would rather be the leaver
I’ll take the pain of being deceived
For all the guilt of the deceiver
…
—Richard Thompson, “It Don’t Cost Much,” But here, Bets is being pre-emptive
“Why have so many people left you,” asks Gunther. Nah, won’t happen. It would be great if he points out that she would still be ghosting him if it weren’t for Tiffany. Nah, won’t happen. Maybe her blow up with Tiffany was to drive her away so Tiff wouldn’t drop her first. Bets needs therapy, otherwise she will sabotage any relationship she has.
Gunther’s eyes are glassing over. A good sign that we may finally be coming to the end of this boring non-romance. Maybe now we can get back to the Bernice-and-Nil thing, which shows signs of being interesting.
The thing is, the near absolute level of her self centeredness is disturbing. I get that she needed space. But she could have very simply texted him back and said she needed some space. Instead, she said nothing leaving the poor guy confused and despondent. And even now, its all about her. Sure she’s sorry, but has she even once asked Gunther how he felt about it. The only reason they are even having this conversation is because Tiffany orchestrated it. Tiffany, who has typically been considered the vapid, self centered one, looks like a Peace Corp worker relative to Bets. Would Bets have ever even informed Gunther he was broken up with had she not set this up?
AnyFace almost 3 years ago
Well, he would know. ✨
AnyFace almost 3 years ago
She does seem contrite. ✨
jymy Premium Member almost 3 years ago
wow…
a real conversation, one that moves the story along…
what’s up with that?
Ahuehuete almost 3 years ago
Run, Gunther, Run!
Prescott_Philosopher almost 3 years ago
Hmm, Gunther seems to actually be standing up for himself and not rolling over.
Vilyehm almost 3 years ago
Lame means never having to say something believable.
jea9hrkr almost 3 years ago
Please – let “Gun” get up and just walk away from the train wreck.
lvlax almost 3 years ago
It’s not hard to figure out why they all left her. The fact she could do what she did to Gunther says it all. Walk away, Gunther!
Namrepus almost 3 years ago
When the going gets tough, the tough get lost.
Willow Mt Lyon almost 3 years ago
Bets has trust issues. So many people have left her, but maybe that is because she doesn’t consider the feelings of others.
Argythree almost 3 years ago
I’m glad Gunther is reacting to Bets’ statement with something of a chill in his tone, rather than acting like he should be grateful that she’s finally talking to him. The fact that Bets treated him in the shabby way she says she has been treated in the past means she never really took the time to know what kind of guy he is.
linus82 almost 3 years ago
En lugar de tomar un papel de víctima, Bets debería analizar el por qué cada quien la ha abandonado. Espero que ahora sí Gunther se arme de valor y le haga ver su realidad.
Brdshtt Premium Member almost 3 years ago
“Leaving does not hurt quite as much as being left.”
Sooo, Bets – you have experienced all this “being left”, and because you wanted to be the one doing the leaving this time around, for weeks you ghost poor Gunther, who would do anything for you and loves you even if you treated him in the worst manner? That is pretty sick. You need some kind of help and Gunther needs to find someone who treats him as an equal instead of being in a relationship where he is being controlled and used all the time as well as being your “prop”.
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One would think that you would have learned how it felt to be “left” and would never want to hurt someone you supposedly love by doing that same thing to them. Think about how you felt.
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I know, I am talking to a cartoon character, but it gets the point across.
Queen Wolfen almost 3 years ago
Sounds like she could use a therapist.
beb01 almost 3 years ago
Finally and yet nothing revelatory. Gunther still looks angry in the last panel. Is he going to unload on Bets? Storm out? Or just roll over like he always does. Considering how lame Bets’ explanation us, I’m for storming out.
Busrayne almost 3 years ago
Ugh – I hope Bets isn’t stealthily streaming this for her followers….
DoloresJ.Nurss almost 3 years ago
I like the balance here! Gunther’s giving Bets a fair chance to say her side, but he’s also calling her on what’s wrong about it.
Joe1962 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I have know idea what the hell she trying to say in panel 2.
Joe1962 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Run Gun Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
notbornyesterday almost 3 years ago
Ah, two sick puppies have found each other; and this a basis for a relationship? Even Bernice and Nil seem better suited.
RSH almost 3 years ago
she’s been left many times so she wanted to do the leaving this time. OK. The good thing is that they are actually talking and Gunther is not just rolling over. Talking usually means working things out. I don’t think Gunther wants to leave but he does want his feelings to be considered.
Vilyehm almost 3 years ago
What a military mind Bets has.
She had to abandon the relationship in order to save it.
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OK, everybody say it at the same time. Cue your Marlon Brando imitation voice.
“The hilarity. The hilarity.”
ronaldspence almost 3 years ago
Very deep for a comic, but interesting…
Caldonia almost 3 years ago
Bitter Gunther is the worst Gunther.
Robin Harwood almost 3 years ago
Forget her, Gunther. Stick to vector calculus. Maths is never going to give you up, never going to let you down, never going to run around and desert you, never going to make you cry, never going to say goodbye, never going to tell a lie and hurt you.
Airman almost 3 years ago
Unbutton your collar, you doofus.
seanyj almost 3 years ago
Dump her now Gunth, Dump her now!
Terminal Frost Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I don’t agree with her actions, but I have known people who were hurt several times so they would sabotage their relationships pretty fast once things started to get ‘real’. It was their defense mechanism. They too were looking out for themselves, and even if they did take some consideration for the other’s feelings, it was less important, because they were not able to take the risk.
There’s a scene in “The Goodbye Girl” where Elliott says,
_"I hate those guys
that walked out of here.
I hate them.
I’m the only one that’s comin’ back
and I’m gettin’ all the blame."_
Gunther should not subjected to being compared to others that have hurt her.
ericbrower almost 3 years ago
I’m thinking this is why she is so into cosplay. You’re less likely to be hurt by faceless strangers. Than by someone you’ve trusted your heart to, who then breaks it.
What everybody complaining about Bets dragging Gunther around to cosplay conventions forgets, is Gunther enjoys cosplaying too. (Though admittedly not at the same level as she does). Particularly costume design.
As yes, there is an ironic Hypocrisy in hurting someone by breaking up, before they break up with you. But it’s also kinda sad. This girl has serious trust issues.
So she hurts him by breaking up, not because she wanted to, but because she has been hurt too many times before. Unlike a majority of readers of this strip, who seem to take a perverse pleasure in the idea of Gunther deliberately inflicting hurt on her.
And on a final note; based on previous comments sent, I can hazard a guess why so many of you are so eager to break up Gun and Bets. And you shippers are wasting your time. Just because these two might break up, is no indication that Gunther and Tiffany (or Luann, or Bernice, or (heck, pick any single girl in the strip)) will hook up.
yoda1234 almost 3 years ago
I think we need more details on the “family” segment of leaving Bets…..
capricorn9th almost 3 years ago
Really, Bets? That’s lame. That’s the best you can offer? Be the one who leaves? Is this a game to you? When Gunther said the L word. you decided it was your turn to do the leaving and that was that. Relationships are not a tag game You are immature and not ready for a mature relationship. May I suggest you to simply date for now? Enjoy their companionships and some fun without commitment until you grow up and are ready for the real thing. Say goodbye to Gunther and go.
PeterPirate almost 3 years ago
Gunther says two things in today’s strip and they both call Bets on her misbehavior.
A good start to the week.
TwilightFaze almost 3 years ago
I get where Bets is coming from. People been calling her all sorts of names and putting her down, but it’s clear they don’t understand trauma and betrayal and how hard it can affect someone (especially in their early 20s. I’m in my mid-30s and I’m single to this day because I can’t trust; it’s a knee-jerk reaction at this point. I don’t wish that on anyone). Bets COULD have just gone back to her instincts and ran away to keep from feeling more pain again, but she’s taking the chance. And let’s be honest: Gunther is worth the risk. Maybe you’re good-for-nothing family isn’t. Maybe your two-faced friends aren’t. Maybe you’re manipulative lovers aren’t. But Gunther is.
Ruth Brown almost 3 years ago
If everyone leaves, then perhaps Betts is a major part of the problem.
charlenelin1201 almost 3 years ago
Anybody old enough to remember the song “I’ll rather leave while I’m in love” by Rita Coolidge?
GirlGeek Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Leaving and being left hurts equally
Argythree almost 3 years ago
If someone feels that they will always be hurt in any relationship, so that they have to abandon the other person first, then the best thing to do is not get into a relationship to begin with!
TampaFanatic1 almost 3 years ago
Trust is a hard thing to come by Bets, that is true but running away will leave you lonely and sad every time. You are lucky Gunnie is still trying to make it work. Instead of thinking negative go with a mantra like Lonesome Dave and Foghat had in “Third Time Lucky”, so what if it did not work out before, that is the past, this is now! Maybe this is the time you are lucky Bets, not someone else but not if you are afraid to try…..
seanyj almost 3 years ago
#givebetstheboot!
overtherainbow almost 3 years ago
Well…at least she told him. It’s up to him now. What say ye all? Will the G-man 1) stay or 2) blow?
Sanspareil almost 3 years ago
Guessing that Gunther will go back to Bets, but will not be as subservient as he was before!
Aladar30 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Bets looks so vulnerable right now♡. I think she’s telling the truth. Gunther has every right too see the weirdness in her explanation and be angry, but I want to know more about Bets’ past and her relationship with her parents. I just hope they can make up and get back together, or at least stay friends.
overtherainbow almost 3 years ago
Interesting that they’ve been dating a while, now, and this is just coming up—why didn’t Gun know this about her before? Did they never, ever discuss past relationships? No curiosity at all? Hard to believe that. Subject verboten? Big fat red flag. Oh, well, they’re young. Youth! Too bad it’s wasted on the young.
OneTime59 almost 3 years ago
Long-term prediction here is nothing else is gonna come out of this love-then-leave situation. Eventually, one of these characters will be written out of the strip.
Mordock999 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Uh, huh. Thought so.
As I’ve said. Bets just took EVERY “bad relationship” she’s had, out on Gunther.
And thrown in “issues” she’s had with Her friends and family to boot.
I’m not sure, but maybe there’s a good reason people have abandoned her?
A reason that had nothing to with them but EVERYTHING to do with her?
After being with him for over two plus years, Bets STILL doesn’t trust Him.
Well, at least We have a “hint” why Bets hates Gunther’s “lady friends.”
As “fair-weather” as they can be sometimes, at least they STAY.
Some fans may rejoice at Bets’ “confession.” (I’m looking at You #1,)
As for Me?
I think Gunther should politely thank Bets for her admission. And he should apologize for inadvertently putting her through so much Hell, and vow that he’s going to see to it that he NEVER hurts her again.
Then “Gun” should bid her a fond farewell, reach for his car keys and head for the door without another word.
And never call Bets again.
sueb1863 almost 3 years ago
Gosh, Bets, I just can’t imagine why any guy would dump you. It certainly can’t be because you’re a controlling, demanding narcissist.
Major Matt Mason Premium Member almost 3 years ago
On the other hand, the makeup sex is gonna be incredible… ;-)
computerprogrammer2028 almost 3 years ago
Hmmm, so this is only Monday. And we’re here. Saturday: Either Gunther convinces her that his undying love will never leave her and she can put her trust in him to soothe her past hurts and let downs. “OR”, she bails with everyone she meets because she can never trust anyone due to a very abusive past which never has been dealt with. This can be salvaged, “IF” Gunther pulls back a bit and say to the affect that, “Well maybe now we’re not there yet, I’m sorry but you mean so much to me, let continue as a couple and enjoy each other now and let the future take care of itself. What happens will happen down the road.”. Heck, no one has a crystal ball and can deep reveal the future. All you can do is live for today and hope for a bright future. Otherwise what’s right in front of you can escape you and is gone. You can never reach and get those back, ever.
D.E.N. almost 3 years ago
So, on Saturday I commented: "Gunther: “You love me?? But, But …. where did you go … ??” Betts: “I was nervous. I forgot to tell you. I had to go home and turn off the coffee pot. I didn’t have enough money to leave you cab fare. My prom dress didn’t come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts!” (Pluss, as I was reminded, “The dog ate my homework”.) Her excuse today isn’t quite that elaborate …. but the week is still very young.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Everyone has left her!?!?! That should tell Gunther that SHE is a problem not everyone else in her life!!
GovernmentCheese almost 3 years ago
LAME. What a terrible plot twist.
Homeboy1865 almost 3 years ago
I was listening to a discussion on how to deal with rejection the other day and one woman stated, “I learned to reject people before they had a chance to reject me.” Bets obviously has unresolved traumatic abandonment / rejection experiences that she projects onto her friendships / relationships. It has created an emotionally immature defense mechanism. If she becomes self aware and is willing to seek counseling and willing to grow, she may overcome those issues and have a successful relationship in the future.
Johnnyrico almost 3 years ago
I’m not sure what to think yet, so I’ll just reserve comment for now.
Lord Hearteater almost 3 years ago
Ah yes, the relationship rule of warfare: Hurt or be hurt.
WilliamVollmer almost 3 years ago
I guess today’s confession by Betts is supposed to help explain away her obession with posting everything on “social media.” Can somebody run this by Dr. Phil McGraw, or, some other pop psychologist to try and make sense out of this?
Decepticomic almost 3 years ago
Trust is difficult to build and easy to break. But Bets still sucks.
rrsltx almost 3 years ago
Life’s too short to get tied down with a psycho, Gun. You’ve see the signs along the way. You need to let her prognostication become self-fulfilling.
Ellis97 almost 3 years ago
So, Bets doesn’t want to say she loves someone because she’s afraid of loss or being abandoned? She’s got trust issues.
elliel203 almost 3 years ago
Sounds like a very realistic conversation…actually kind of similar to what happened to me…minus the pirate stuff anyway.
luann1212 almost 3 years ago
This is a great development, explanation. Gunther has some skepticism, Bets displays some humility. I scanned the general thinking and there remains much negative rationale toward Bets here. As I like to say wait for it. I see no reason for there to be a breakup, and hope that is where this is going, working through problems, being open and honest is a good basis for a relationship generally. Let’s see where it lands in this iteration of Luannverse.
Bernedoodle almost 3 years ago
Most of you need to take a walk in her shoes!
Uncle Bob almost 3 years ago
“Life’s too short babe; time is flying. I’m looking for baggage that goes with mine.”
DM2860 almost 3 years ago
Two of my GFs in College did something similar to me. They said I was too good to be true so clearly I was going to break their hearts so they broke up with me. (The first one and only other one in college I broke up with because I realized she was an alcoholic.) My wife kept questioning me for the first six months of our marriage for the same reason before she decided to just go with it until she had a real reason from me (not based on previous men she dated) to doubt me.
So women, there are some good ones out there but if you keep being cynical, you will never get one.
Perin8 almost 3 years ago
As a freestanding work of art, today’s strip is epic.
kingbrlee Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Looks like Bets is going to open that closet door this week and let us see her background.
eladee AKA Wally almost 3 years ago
Well, here we go. Bets explains why she deserted Gunther at WW. While I do feel sorry for her but that is NO excuse for what she did. She has a lot of growing up to do. But Gunther will totally forgive her for it and accept her explanation.
RickMcdermott almost 3 years ago
Out of here they’re both crazy
Holilubillkori Premium Member almost 3 years ago
All of the characters in this strip and us ..are at the mercy of the Writers….. Lol
Wubbie almost 3 years ago
Mistrust is a terrible foundation to build any relationship upon.
ctolson almost 3 years ago
Looks like Bets has been burned a number of times in the past and is “gun shy”. Too bad she doesn’t know that Gunth is better then that.
Kiwiwriter47 almost 3 years ago
Didn’t I say that Bets would have back story about love and relationships that was based on people walking out on her?
“WHOOMP! THERE IT IS! WHOOMP! THERE IT IS! WHOOMP! THERE IT IS!”
She was terrified of her own emotions and of the situations, so she fled, unable to control herself or the situation.
Now we will hear Gunther’s side of this story, and by Saturday, they’ll be in each other’s arms while Tiffany modestly takes full credit for that happening.
jrankin1959 almost 3 years ago
Didn’t Rita Coolidge have a single entitled, I’d Rather Leave While I’m in Love?
hoffquotes2 almost 3 years ago
Guys, plural ????
DawnQuinn1 almost 3 years ago
Betts is STILL playing mind games and STILL cannot be trusted.
Airman almost 3 years ago
Time to get physical, psychology later.
Call me Ishmael almost 3 years ago
Tiffany looks better and better as the other females in this strip “evolve”. I’m going back to “Priceless”.
locake almost 3 years ago
Bets couldn’t help the way her family treated her. But she is totally responsible for the friends and boyfriends she chooses now. If she is bad at choosing, therapy could help. IF she thinks Gunther would hurt her, she Really needs mental help.
locake almost 3 years ago
I hope Gunther does not get drawn back into Bets issues. She will only hurt him again until she gets her head straightened out. She needs professional help.
locake almost 3 years ago
Tiffany’s plan DID work. Gunther is finally getting some answers from Bets. Good for Tiffany!
Cincoflex almost 3 years ago
Gunther’s been ‘left’ before so yeah, he gets your pain, Bets.
waes-hael almost 3 years ago
Time to leave Gunther – she’s not in a good place for a relationship.
Mongo almost 3 years ago
RUN GUNTHER,RUN!This is a level of crazy you don’t want to get involved with.
reedkomicks Premium Member almost 3 years ago
No wonder Gunthy is drawn to Betts! I get it now. Who has a mother who knows no boundaries, and controls Gunthers every move, by packing him up and sticking him in her backyard. Even assigned who he lives with, who happens to be his bully.
Who feels the hurt and anger of being left by his father the most important person a boy could ever need?That’s our Gunthy’s wounded psyche. Very compatible with Betts who wants to control, and leave!!
The two of them need to run not walk to the nearest mental health center.
DanielDrummond almost 3 years ago
I will say it again. Look at what Greg Evans does to his characters. Except for Brad and Toni (and Luann’s parents), everyone ends up alone. It seems to be a hard and cruel rule in the Evans universe that Luann, Berniece, TJ, Tiffany, Leslie, Jack, Nil, Ox, Piro, for whatever reason are not allowed a serious, sustained relationship with someone who cares for them.
I don’t care about the ‘reasons’, I care about resolution, and Evans is missing the barn, let alone the target, just about every time.
Templo S.U.D. almost 3 years ago
So Bets had experiences of love before Gunther, but she was unrequited and the guys left her? Ouch.
MuddyUSA Premium Member almost 3 years ago
It seems relentlessly longm drawn out story with no happy ending?
Pipe Tobacco Premium Member almost 3 years ago
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Hmm.
She left because she “loves” Gunther? Blech.
I am rather glad to see a somewhat sour, disbelieving expression on Gunther’s face at the moment. I do not want him to go into full blown angry Gunther mode…. but he does need and does deserve to be rather skeptical about Bets’ current words…. and potential intentions.
Even though I get the gut feeling that Gunther is going to be “all forgiving” and the duo will be together by week’s end….. I will be rather damn angry if the Gunther/Bets relationship remains the same…. which has been to a large extent where Bets is in charge and leads Gunther around to do and be at whatever Bets wants. If the two of them again become a couple ( which I suspect will happen, even though I still at this juncture wish they would not )…. then Gunther needs to not be all “mealy mouthed” and timid and an easy pushover for whatever Bets wants him to do anymore. It really needs to be a partnership of equals.
I still think the “I left because it is easier that having someone leave me.” statement is obnoxious bull****. PERHAPS this could have been something Bets did initially at the spur of the moment…. but…. it still does not justify Bets leaving Gunther hanging for what seems to have been at least a few weeks. That is just obnoxious . AND it appears that if it had not been for Tiffany’s crazy plan…. Bets would have simply continued to ignore Gunther for who knows how long.
Johnnyrico almost 3 years ago
Here’s my prediction: There will be a week’s worth of ping-pong back-and-forth, and then one of them will stomp off in a huff, leaving the other one sitting there all agape.
wantcomicsnow almost 3 years ago
So everyone in Bets’ life has abandoned her? Everyone——including her family——-has said “oh, we love you, Bets” then ditched her?
REALLY???
I would like to hear from her family and friends and get their side of the story, and NOT just what is told by Bets. I would also like to hear from some of those “liars and cheaters” she claims she used to date. They may have been perfectly nice guys just not the doormat Gunther is. They didn’t let her run roughshod over them, so in her book they’re “liars and cheaters.”
I know that will never happen. G&K will never spend all that time and effort to create a backstory for one single character in their strip. Still it would be nice to get someone else’s perspective, not just Bets.
me_the_polish_gull almost 3 years ago
I guess a fight is coming soon…
Terminal Frost Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Playing Devil’s advocate:
Maybe all Bets did in the past was declare her love too soon and was ghosted instead. It may be that she has had her heart broken enough times that she never broaches getting serious, because it has backfired on her too many times, and Gunther absolutely freaked her out.
Now this admittedly forced meeting may actually have a silver lining, in that she actually voiced her feelings out loud. It may be ‘too little too late’ but maybe not.
Actually, sometimes a rocky start can lead to a lifetime of happiness.
cromwelljones53 almost 3 years ago
I totally get where Bets is coming from. Not sure if Gunther is the guy who can get her out of the rut, though. There seem to be other aspects of the relationship that will be trouble.
Code the Enforcer almost 3 years ago
Her fear of love would explain her neediness – her sheer dependency – on social media acceptance! A whole bunch of ‘likes’ is easier online … yet more removed from true interaction!
Yes, some counseling would be good for her. …
Tyge Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Now begins the saga of The Great Rehabilitation of The Character Formally Known As Bets.
Up to now, the Character Formerly Known As Bets was always depicted by GnK as “aggressive, dominant, bossy” (quotes by GnK via Bernice). From the very first meeting where she moved the venue from The Fuse to Taco Town, her character has “possessed” Gunther, even to renaming him as “Gun.” Gun has been treated as a lackey in doing her bidding and/or maintaining her self image by acting as eye candy for her social sycophants.
Bets started with positive reviews, being likened to the universally popular Star Trek character Lt. Commander Uhura. The preponderance of commenters have been turned in their opinions as the character became manifest in her subsequent behaviors.
What appears to be the rehab of the character is now underway. In all likelihood Bets’ character will be restored to that of a suitable companion for one of the signature characters in the strip.
We shall see!
comic reader 22 almost 3 years ago
Oh, well, it all makes perfect sense now.
Tyge Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Commenter ericbrower makes an interesting statement “there is an ironic Hypocrisy in hurting someone by breaking up, before they break up with you.”
This could also be taken as a subtle attempt on the Bets’ part to manipulate Gunther into not breaking up with her because then he would be merely one of the “guys” that have hurt her. An appeal that might work with the overly sensitive Gunther.
Could GnK be that subtle? NAH!
YorkGirl Premium Member almost 3 years ago
No trust there. At. All. If she couldn’t trust him enough to talk to him before this, how can he trust her now? He doesn’t seem to be accepting her explanation as now he’s the dumpee. Do either of them see why people left her and will they discuss her attitudes? Getting heavy, maybe we need some comic relief, Tiffany?
cmxx almost 3 years ago
Bets thinks about herself, first, last and always. Run, Gunth.
Boltsfan2029 almost 3 years ago
I don’t think this is as far off the mark as some of you do. I once was dating a guy who told me, in no uncertain terms, that he wanted to date me but wasn’t ready for any type of commitment. I agreed with him and… he disappeared, just as Bets did here. I did call him after a couple of weeks and he reluctantly agreed that it wasn’t fair for him to feel this way but require differently from me. Fast forward a couple of years and the relationship had gone completely bad and I told him I thought we should end it. He disagreed, begged me to try again, etc. Our next date he said we should end it. I asked him why he didn’t just agree to it when I suggested it and he said, “I wanted to be the one who dumped you.” People are weird. We were both in our 20s, it wasn’t like we were still in high school.
As should be obvious, I was much better off without him!
CoreyTaylor1 almost 3 years ago
And now, Bets has officially ‘blown it’.
Ragnar13 almost 3 years ago
And take a moment to ponder that Tiffany’s hair brained scheme seems to actually be working…and now she’s going to be a total pain in the butt.
NotLisa almost 3 years ago
Wow Bets, great coverup! She is so selfish, she would rather make Gunther suffer rather than them both just be happy together! RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN GUNTHER!
percheronhitch6 almost 3 years ago
Disfunction Junction revisited.
LFate almost 3 years ago
Based on most of the comments for this strip, I assume everyone is in, or has been in perfect relationships and have always acted admirably at all times under all situations. Never been hurt and NEVER hurt anyone else. Also based on the comments for this strip I would hazard a guess not!
DG almost 3 years ago
It is hard to keep people in your life when you purposely push them away.
StackableContainers almost 3 years ago
Leaving being less painful than being the one left…depends on the reason you do the leaving.
Rhetorical_Question almost 3 years ago
People are afraid of the permanence of “I love you”. It highlights people’s dreams and experiences that don’t support the reality of life and the unresolved crisis experiences that circulates or maybe follows your life’s existence.
StackableContainers almost 3 years ago
Secondary thought. In side profile, Gunther and Brad seems to look very similar.
Prescott_Philosopher almost 3 years ago
The last two panels raise two points:
1- Bets has no empathy.2- Maybe Bet’s problem is… her.Cheapskate0 almost 3 years ago
My three favorite characters in this strip: Tiffany, Gunther, and Bets. I say this up front because too much has been made of the Tiff vs. Bets kerfuffle, which to me, always looked like little more than a plot device for „hilarity ensues™“ and I don’t want to be seen as prejudiced in favor of either Tiff or Bets.
But,
„Leaving doesn’t hurt quite as bad as being left.“
crosses a line for me. Willingness to inflict pain rather than to risk receiving pain.
Not sure what kind of a back story G&K intend to give us, but that line above, „Leaving doesn’t hurt quite as bad as being left“, now that’s got to hurt. At this point, I’d say Gunther is justified if he walks out.
Though I doubt that G&K have that in mind.
Especially on a Monday.
astahl2003 almost 3 years ago
I’m not entirely sure I’m buying Bet’s excuse. Why all the animosity towards Tiff if it’s a you issue (& maybey Gunther. He still has lot of red flags for me.)? It comes across as jealous & controlling, not insecure or hurt.
cooterrichards almost 3 years ago
Oh great… I was hoping this was over…
Schrodinger's Dog almost 3 years ago
that girl is flakier than milled corn. :-/
comic reader 22 almost 3 years ago
My new Tshirt – I Love You So I’m Leaving You
Rhetorical_Question almost 3 years ago
Bets was abandoned by family? Did she live in an orphanage?
The Pro from Dover almost 3 years ago
Right
raybarb44 almost 3 years ago
Accept the fact that she is a woman and get on with the relationship….
comic reader 22 almost 3 years ago
Either the Evans’ are working toward winding this up in their usual tedious and confusing way, or they’re trying to say something important….
asrialfeeple almost 3 years ago
Best has developed a fear of commitment and would do almost anything to prevent that pain again.
bakana almost 3 years ago
Bets is “Once Burned, Twice Shy”.
PhoenixHocking almost 3 years ago
This is absolutely classic. I don’t want to be hurt again, so I’ll hurt you instead. Protect myself at all costs. I’m sorry if I hurt you, but I’m more important than you are. Okay. Got it. This is actually the first time I’ve seen Gunther looked annoyed at this whole situation. So, I don’t know quite what that portends. If he tells Bets to take a walk, it’s just a self-fulfilling prophecy on her part. If he stays to please her, he dooms himself to a lifetime of being a spineless doormat. Can this relationship be saved? SHOULD this relationship be saved? The girl’s got issues, Gunther. Do you love her enough to stick with her while she works things out, or will you save yourself and walk away? Maybe couples therapy? Only time will tell. However, I don’t think hilarity will ensue…
David Huie Green LosersBlameOthers&It'sYOURfault almost 3 years ago
Let’s try this again, I know it is too complicated for many:
Try to treat others the way you wish they treated you.
It doesn’t always work, because some people like to be mistreated, but — in general — it helps because we are mostly alike. " If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?"
I hope Gunther will forgive rather than let Shylock be his guide.
GaryCooper almost 3 years ago
Do we know anything about Bets’ back story? Was she abandoned as a child?
cherns Premium Member almost 3 years ago
…
Deep in December, it’s nice to remember,
Although you know the snow will follow.
Deep in December, it’s nice to remember,
Without a hurt the heart is hollow.
Deep in December, it’s nice to remember,
The fire of September that made us mellow.
Deep in December, our hearts should remember
And follow.
…
Tom Jones (the other one), “Try to Remember (Reprise),” from The Fantasticks (emphasis added). But sooner or later, one has to get over the hurt, and engage.
…
If someone stays and someone leaves
You know I would rather be the leaver
I’ll take the pain of being deceived
For all the guilt of the deceiver
…
—Richard Thompson, “It Don’t Cost Much,” But here, Bets is being pre-emptive
Cuckooman Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Bets is a non timid, in your face type, seems inconsistent that she would shrink away from an emotional challenge.
jamesamber29 almost 3 years ago
Poor Bets I understand this.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] almost 3 years ago
That explains it.
Sisyphos almost 3 years ago
These are some seriously confused and angst-ridden kids. Sadly, I suspect that this blissful reconciliation will last little more than a few moments….
Michael McKown Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Seriously, marry her.
kittysquared Premium Member almost 3 years ago
“Why have so many people left you,” asks Gunther. Nah, won’t happen. It would be great if he points out that she would still be ghosting him if it weren’t for Tiffany. Nah, won’t happen. Maybe her blow up with Tiffany was to drive her away so Tiff wouldn’t drop her first. Bets needs therapy, otherwise she will sabotage any relationship she has.
ssklansky almost 3 years ago
I have been reading this strip for years. What problems did she have with friends and family leaving her
Erin Pierce almost 3 years ago
There’s a “goodbye” in every “hello”…and when you’re an adult, you accept and deal with it.
RSH almost 3 years ago
in some ways G is backed into a corner. Bets says ‘every I love you turns into an I’m leaving you…’. Is G going to prove that she is right?
dcoyote almost 3 years ago
By the last panel, Gunther looks like he doesn’t believe her excuses :(
Mayor Snorkum almost 3 years ago
Gunther’s eyes are glassing over. A good sign that we may finally be coming to the end of this boring non-romance. Maybe now we can get back to the Bernice-and-Nil thing, which shows signs of being interesting.
Ragnar13 almost 3 years ago
The thing is, the near absolute level of her self centeredness is disturbing. I get that she needed space. But she could have very simply texted him back and said she needed some space. Instead, she said nothing leaving the poor guy confused and despondent. And even now, its all about her. Sure she’s sorry, but has she even once asked Gunther how he felt about it. The only reason they are even having this conversation is because Tiffany orchestrated it. Tiffany, who has typically been considered the vapid, self centered one, looks like a Peace Corp worker relative to Bets. Would Bets have ever even informed Gunther he was broken up with had she not set this up?