I’m amused by the Trumpists who are (ahem) trumpeting that convicting him of this will be a horrible precedent because no President would be able to do their job with that hanging over their head. On the other hand, I’m concerned, as Toles is, that not convicting him will only encourage similarly illegal behavior. Senators: It is a three part government. All three roles are given power because they are supposed to be checks on each other, so as to balance the behavior of the whole mix. Giving all the power to one element: Really really bad precedent.
SPQR : odd that there is no equivalent acronym for the US Senate and the American people or more importantly a strong feeling that they are enacting the will of the people.
Just a reminder not to reply directly to the troll, lest his comments be bubbled up to the top of the list, where it’s the ONLY one that 90% of viewers will bother to read.
Watched a documentary about how Hitler came into power and how he used FEAR to intimidate the German Congress into lockstep agreement with all his decisions and invasions…..sound familiar?
What really bothers me about all this impeachment and trial is exactly what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors? For the Repub House during the B.Clinton impeachment, lying about one’s sex life was enough for his removal from office. But, for the Dem House during the Trump impeachment, obstruction of justice and collusion with a foreign power for personal gain is enough for his removal from office.
While I think the Dems have got it right, the Repub Senate seems to be bent on giving their man Trump a get out of jail card. Now, clearly, all these processes are political, so the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors may be a mute point.
Far too many people of both genders still believe in the superstitious primitive tradition of obeying a strong male authority figure. Admittedly the Orange Buffoon, who is obviously weak in person (middle schoolers would say he’s all mouth), is very good at appearing like a strong leader to the cognitively impaired. They are a minority and they must be defeated in November.
An against-trolls item: – I searchlined “internet troll psychology” to get this Google-page {a list of articles}: [Such articles make me reluctant to interact with trolls.] … https://www.google.com/search?q=internet+troll+psychology&oq=internet+troll+ps&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l5.14071j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
It would be nice if the American electorate could start a fund to match the contributions from the resident’s defense team to at least try for a fair trial …
Every dictator is a traitor to his country, for the plain and simple reason that no people deserve to live under a dictatorship. (Obviously, traitors always PRETEND to be patriots, and there are a FEW cases in history when they started OUT that way…….) People who enable or excuse a dictator are also traitors to their country. (See above.) Any questions?
It is IMPORTANT that actually patriotic Americans go to the polls in November and remove these traitors from office. Their priorities in office? Republican Party first, paying tribute to the White House toad, second, cashing in perks and money for themselves, third,…working for America 123rd (or never). /S
There has been much debate on the question “How can anyone follow trump?” with variations on that theme, of course. I was pondering that lately as I watched so many, be so upset over the death of Kobe Bryant.
A most sorrowful event, to be sure. I cast no aspersions on his name.
If people can worship sports heroes and their teams, as if they are Gods. Is it so hard to imagine the same phenomenon with trump? They imagine their heroes to be, what they want them to be. Ignore what they find unpleasant and celebrate that which they like.
Concretionist about 4 years ago
I’m amused by the Trumpists who are (ahem) trumpeting that convicting him of this will be a horrible precedent because no President would be able to do their job with that hanging over their head. On the other hand, I’m concerned, as Toles is, that not convicting him will only encourage similarly illegal behavior. Senators: It is a three part government. All three roles are given power because they are supposed to be checks on each other, so as to balance the behavior of the whole mix. Giving all the power to one element: Really really bad precedent.
mr_sherman Premium Member about 4 years ago
I always thought that if nothing else, the thought of impeachment SHOULD hang over their heads to keep them from NOT doing their job properly.
jmillerqld Premium Member about 4 years ago
The stamp would be reversed when stamped. Which is symbolically OK.
Dtroutma about 4 years ago
Just a framed document in tiny hands, not a stamp. The stamp of their actions would be “treason approved”, reversed.
GreggW Premium Member about 4 years ago
Turkish delight.
superposition about 4 years ago
SPQR : odd that there is no equivalent acronym for the US Senate and the American people or more importantly a strong feeling that they are enacting the will of the people.
Cpeckbourlioux about 4 years ago
“Democracy dies in silence”, (Washington Post).
Old_Curmudgeon about 4 years ago
A Reichstag Lights the Match – {4 beats/line, then 3}
The Reichstag lights its very own match
to torch itself on behalf of der Führer.
Thus does a precedent hatch
which Democracy can’t endure.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Zebrastripes about 4 years ago
Dictator….following his puppet master, Putin on the Rich
PraiseofFolly about 4 years ago
“Most Hard Democracy Requiem”
.
Democracy had a good fair run,
But it’s no longer much in style:
Too much effort to maintain it,
It’s just no longer worth the while.
.
Give us a firm Autocracy,
A shiny brass leader to guide!
As Congress fades to obscurity,
So does brighten our country’s pride!
.
Misdemeanors and high crimes
Are all as piffle to us, then.
Definition of “corruption”:
“To oppose official regimen.”
.
So join the fad that’s now in vogue,
Powerful nations have done it.
And where Democracy is concerned —
Let’s do our best to shun it!
Masterskrain Premium Member about 4 years ago
Reprehensible Republicans are TRAITORS TO AMERICA!!!
mourdac Premium Member about 4 years ago
Congress is supposed to provide a constitutional check on presidential abuses of power, not participate in the coverup of the same.
cocavan11 about 4 years ago
Toles should have written “The U.S. Senate hereby grants . . . .” The House is ANYTHING other than complicit.
monya_43 about 4 years ago
It’s an unquestionable reason why that the Republicans are ruining our republic.
Richard S Russell Premium Member about 4 years ago
Just a reminder not to reply directly to the troll, lest his comments be bubbled up to the top of the list, where it’s the ONLY one that 90% of viewers will bother to read.
john_chubb about 4 years ago
But only if you are a Republican. Democrats still have to follow the law.
Alberta Oil Premium Member about 4 years ago
With the small print mentioning… this only applies while Republicans are in power
Kip W about 4 years ago
He wants someone to read that to him.
ChristopherBurns about 4 years ago
Only future Republicans Presidents. Others will have to watch their steps.
Radish the wordsmith about 4 years ago
Crooked liar Trump will hang it next to his Article Two,
“It’s my country and I’ll do what I want!”
DHBirr about 4 years ago
So take your timeout, TimCulbertson2; no one’s keeping you here.
Calvin about 4 years ago
Watched a documentary about how Hitler came into power and how he used FEAR to intimidate the German Congress into lockstep agreement with all his decisions and invasions…..sound familiar?
Madzdad the bard about 4 years ago
…Unless the president is a Democrat…
preacherman about 4 years ago
What really bothers me about all this impeachment and trial is exactly what constitutes high crimes and misdemeanors? For the Repub House during the B.Clinton impeachment, lying about one’s sex life was enough for his removal from office. But, for the Dem House during the Trump impeachment, obstruction of justice and collusion with a foreign power for personal gain is enough for his removal from office.
While I think the Dems have got it right, the Repub Senate seems to be bent on giving their man Trump a get out of jail card. Now, clearly, all these processes are political, so the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors may be a mute point.
Packratjohn Premium Member about 4 years ago
Checks and balances? It is to laugh…
mattro65 about 4 years ago
Far too many people of both genders still believe in the superstitious primitive tradition of obeying a strong male authority figure. Admittedly the Orange Buffoon, who is obviously weak in person (middle schoolers would say he’s all mouth), is very good at appearing like a strong leader to the cognitively impaired. They are a minority and they must be defeated in November.
Old_Curmudgeon about 4 years ago
An against-trolls item: – I searchlined “internet troll psychology” to get this Google-page {a list of articles}: [Such articles make me reluctant to interact with trolls.] … https://www.google.com/search?q=internet+troll+psychology&oq=internet+troll+ps&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l5.14071j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
charliekane about 4 years ago
What price are the Republicans willing to pay for putting this jackass in charge?
superposition about 4 years ago
It would be nice if the American electorate could start a fund to match the contributions from the resident’s defense team to at least try for a fair trial …
https://www.salon.com/2020/01/29/trumps-legal-team-gave-thousands-in-contributions-to-republican-senators-ahead-of-impeachment-trial/
Godfreydaniel about 4 years ago
Every dictator is a traitor to his country, for the plain and simple reason that no people deserve to live under a dictatorship. (Obviously, traitors always PRETEND to be patriots, and there are a FEW cases in history when they started OUT that way…….) People who enable or excuse a dictator are also traitors to their country. (See above.) Any questions?
jvscanlan Premium Member about 4 years ago
. . . but only if Republican . . . Any imperfection from a Democratic White House is still impeachable
kentmarx36 about 4 years ago
It is IMPORTANT that actually patriotic Americans go to the polls in November and remove these traitors from office. Their priorities in office? Republican Party first, paying tribute to the White House toad, second, cashing in perks and money for themselves, third,…working for America 123rd (or never). /S
Redd Panda about 4 years ago
There has been much debate on the question “How can anyone follow trump?” with variations on that theme, of course. I was pondering that lately as I watched so many, be so upset over the death of Kobe Bryant.
A most sorrowful event, to be sure. I cast no aspersions on his name.
If people can worship sports heroes and their teams, as if they are Gods. Is it so hard to imagine the same phenomenon with trump? They imagine their heroes to be, what they want them to be. Ignore what they find unpleasant and celebrate that which they like.
How say you? How is it different?
bakana about 4 years ago
He left out the phrase “So long as they are RepubliKlan”.
oldchas about 4 years ago
Only if Republican.
TaximanSteve about 4 years ago
Mostly licenses for the Boltons of the world…