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Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for November 30, 2016

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    Night-Gaunt49  over 4 years ago

    But this is set in stone in the Constitution. There are one of two ways to over come it. Get 2/3rds of the states to vote on it or change how it works state by state till you get enough to where the others remaining states don’t matter. That is change the state laws to tell the Electors they can only vote the way the majority have voted in the state.

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    Bilan  over 4 years ago

    Since when have politicians ever listened to the voters?

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    Superfrog  over 4 years ago

    The vegetable plate is not good for my constitution. I want lunch to be great again.

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    Dtroutma  over 4 years ago

    The electors could vote for sanity, and go with the popular majority.

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    Varnes  over 4 years ago

    Dogsniff..You funny dog, you….

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    Varnes  over 4 years ago

    Vegetables, eh? Of course, that makes sense..We’ll be full of fermenting plants, and in a couple of days will smell like it…

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    Proginoskes  over 4 years ago

    The problem with getting rid of the Electoral College is that no one who becomes President wants to ruin the system that put them in power.

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    Toonerific  over 4 years ago

    So when she leaves to powder her nose, you know what to bring me!

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    RabbitHole  over 4 years ago

    There was a good reason for instituting the Electoral College. Many who understand that have not realized how "dumb-downed the educational system has become. The Electoral College was set up so one or two large states could not dominate the other states. In this election, L.A. and NYC would be dictating to the rest of the country. You can throw in Chicago too.I suspect the Hillary supporters would have been happier than a pig in you know what if the results were reversed and be telling others to stop whining that Trump had more popular votes because of 2 of those three cities and she had won the electoral count.When you look at the electoral map, you will see a sea of “red” (won by Trump) vs a few small enclaves (typically large urban cities) won by Hillary. How many times have people within a state complained that the politicians favor the large city (or cities) at the expense of the rest of the state, Based on the arguments made by the whiners, a case could be made that Bill Clinton should not have been president as he did not when 50% or more of the vote and maybe a run-off should have been held between the two with the most votes. Maybe the majority of the Perot voters might have gone to Bush.

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    gsawyer101  over 4 years ago

    Start with something closer to home and get your state to eliminate the “winner takes all” rule and do proportional electors. Does not require any federal action.

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    Brass Orchid Premium Member over 4 years ago

    Two words.

    Butter.

    Garlic.

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    tripwire45  over 4 years ago

    Somebody needs to look up why we have an electoral college.

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    tinmanzzz  over 4 years ago

    Poor, Poor Liberals. Maybe the best answer would be a divorce. (Goodbye California)

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    whiteheron  over 4 years ago

    NC is going through exactly what Bob C spoke about. While I admit it is a close election by popular votes, by countiy count, only the counties with a large urban population and universities had a majority for the “progressive” candidate. Gee, go figure.

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    Linguist  over 4 years ago

    My popular selections have often been trumped ( no pun intended -really ! ) by my EC ( Ecuatoriana Chica ) !

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    Darsan54 Premium Member over 4 years ago

    If only.

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    IQTech61  over 4 years ago

    Have the porterhouse – skip the potato and bread – add a huge amount of green vegetables.

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    DutchUncle  over 4 years ago

    The Electoral College made sense in a time without instant communication, without broadcast communication, without rapid transportation. Instead of trying to get all of the information to all of the people, each area entrusts a proxy representative to assemble and make a decision. The extra 2-per-state bonus bought the buy-in of the agrarian colonies. But that was then; this is now, with nationwide air travel taking the candidate everywhere, instantaneous communication bringing speeches and debates live to everyone everywhere, and reporting of results being added up in real time within hours. OTOH of course the current system wouldn’t be voted out; the people who are getting those bonuses, which have gotten even more significant in proportion as the population imbalance has grown between big states and small states (18:1 in 1770 vs 66:1 in 2010), will never vote those bonuses to give up those bonuses.

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    lee  over 4 years ago

    Wiley, GET OVER IT !

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    paul GROSS Premium Member over 4 years ago

    See, It’s good for you!

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    Iceman47  over 4 years ago

    LMAO, all this Liberal whining is way too funny. You lost. Get over it or as Danae says, "Stuff happens, get over it. lololol!

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    morningglory61 Premium Member over 4 years ago

    Love the subtlety of this strip.

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    bill.ashton  over 4 years ago

    @wmconelly: The Constitution provides for the reapportionment of the number of Representatives for each state every ten years based on the census. Thus, while the number of Representatives may be stuck at 435, the number each state has changes with their proportion of the total population.

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    dabugger  over 4 years ago

    One man, one vote; if you are ’white, . . .

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    BeniHanna6 Premium Member over 4 years ago

    I say fine you want to get rid of the electoral college let’s also get rid of the union. About time for the working class people to break away from the coastal and large city elites.

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    Wiley creator over 4 years ago

    You folks know this cartoon isn’t about the electoral college…right?

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    Godfreydaniel  over 4 years ago

    The Electoral College was already obsolete back when the Constitution was amended to allow for direct popular vote election of Senators—you know, more than a century ago. It should’ve been tossed out along with the original Senators-appointed-by-state-legislators method (which, like the Electoral College, was designed to take the vote away from most people).

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    ShawnBronald  over 4 years ago

    What you want isn’t always what’s best for you.

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    David Frechette Premium Member over 4 years ago

    You get rid of the EC, then get rid of the “superdelegate” fiasco as well. Bernie got the shaft from his own people…..

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    ianjohnsoncartoonist Premium Member over 4 years ago

    This is a very clever strip. Yes sir, if your wife represents the minority vote then she may be your electoral college. The EC has always protected minorities from mob rule. We now live in a world where cartoonists are smarter than the news media.

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    dflak  over 4 years ago

    My father-in-law was a diabetic with a heart condition and for a while had ulcers. I claimed that he would die of starvation since nothing was on his diet.

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    When asked how he knew what to eat, he said that he looked at his wife and if she gave him “the look” he passed on it.

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    Daniel Brown Premium Member over 4 years ago

    HRC was your Porterhouse Steak?

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    Germanshepherds4ever  over 4 years ago

    YES! YES YES YES!!!!!!! Let’s get RID of the E.C.!!!!!Look what we wound up with!!!!!

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    phoenixnyc  over 4 years ago

    Discard the electoral college in favor of a national popular vote and you disenfranchise the smaller states. No one’s going to give a fat damn about New Hampshire when New York’s Nassau County alone has more people. No one’s going to bother with Nevada when the Los Angeles metropolitan area is a bigger media market.

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    phoenixnyc  over 4 years ago

    The plain and simple fact is that it is impossible to create a system that won’t screw over somebody. The only difference is who gets screwed.

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    phoenixnyc  over 4 years ago

    And let us be clear, here. This is exactly the same system the elected Obama twice, that elected Bill Clinton twice (the first time when he didn’t achieve a majority in the popular vote), elected Reagan twice, and elected Nixon twice. No matter where you are on the ideological graph, the system has worked in your favor at least five times since I’ve been alive. To call it broken now when it works against you isn’t quite the height of hypocrisy—Trump’s pledge to drain the swamp and then turning around and filling his cabinet with swamp critters has to take that title—but it’s at least in the top fifteen.

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    phoenixnyc  over 4 years ago

    The electoral college isn’t the problem. The electorate is the problem—an electorate that tailors the facts to suit its attitudes, has fallen in love with ideological purity tests (and Wiley, I am looking directly at you on this one), doesn’t really look at the big picture much, and thinks there’s no real difference between Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Clarence Thomas. Scrapping the electoral college is just treating a symptom; the underlying disease remains the same.

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    Radical-Knight  over 4 years ago

    Great cartoon… the electoral college determines what’s best over the unhealthy preference of what’s popular. And in this last election, All electoral votes went with the popular decision OF THE STATE’s majority. (At least according to the last time I looked, the day after HRC’s concession)

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    Thomas & Tifffany Connolly  over 4 years ago

    The evil of the two lessers!

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    Douglas Haire  over 4 years ago

    Obviously, Wiley and others are not over the election yet… still whining…

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    hippogriff  over 4 years ago

    Is this a pre-buffet Chinese restaurant – one from column A and one from column B? I am sick of “it’s a republic, not a democracy”. They are two different categories. Republic refers to the structure: government by representatives rather than individual voting on every issue (Athenian, and to some degree the Swiss plebicite, being examples). Democracy refers to who rules (all the people limited by certain unalienable rights to the majority and to the minority). A country, or any subdivision of it, can be either, neither, or both. Strange that only the fascist end of the spectrum ignores this distinction.

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    Robert Gillespie  over 4 years ago

    Wiley and others need to understand the founding principles of this country. The Electoral College is a brilliant institution that prevents the tyranny of the masses. I wish we had it in Washington State where one county decides what the entire state gets!

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    Athelstane  over 4 years ago

    Yeah. Let’s have a Democracy and we can be France. Five big cities control the entire Nation. Apparently you do not want to keep the Republic.

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    Spade Jr.  over 4 years ago

    Not obvious enough. And negative humor. Grade today:F. Shape up, willya?

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    amaryllis2 Premium Member over 4 years ago

    The electoral college was put in the Constitution to settle how states with slaves should be represented—as 3/5s of a person in terms of the House, and thus more Representatives and hence more Electors than if they hadn’t counted the slaves at all, and not as many as if they’d counted them as the human beings they were. It was a compromise to get the southern states to join the union—otherwise they would have been outvoted by the north on everything, including slavery, and they knew it.

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    jackobannon  over 4 years ago

    Poor libs like Wiley just can’t accept that we are NOT a democracy. A democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner. The electoral college protects the sheep. ’Nuff said.

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    ArchAngel4  over 4 years ago

    The principal design of the electoral college is that the majority of people often don’t know what is best. It prevents a president that is immoral and criminal. It also ensures that all Americans get a say, not just the most populous areas where opinions tend to be similar. I believe it has succeeded this year.

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    GeorgeSteele  over 1 year ago

    Thank God for the Electoral College, or he’d be on life support now.

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