Yes. Arrest the people that are doing those things.
=>Arrest them with police who are clearly identified as such.=>Arrest them and put them into police vehicles that are clearly marked as such.=>Arrest them and be able to demonstrate that they were shown due process. =>Arrest them with sufficient evidence to charge them and prosecute them. =>Try them fairly in a legally established court showing that their civil rights were protected and that “innocent until proven guilty” was upheld
Unless that’s done, all the arresting “officers” are doing is propagating the very thing these anarchists are protesting.
Comparing crime in Mayberry to Crime in Manhattan is not going to put Manhattan in a good light. Zero tolerance law does not work any better than overly liberal law in getting to the root cause of crime and eradicating it. Different environments require different regulations and methods. Sadly we still do not have effective methods to prevent all crime and not as we can see we cannot even distinguish between protesters and criminals.
Tell me again how our divided partisan political system makes America safer and more prosperous for all its people.
as per the DHS, they are making arrests “proactively” which is what you and I know to be an unlawful seizure of one’s person. This means that then can just arrest you because they think you MIGHT commit a crime. How about that? What if an officer arrests you just because he thinks you look suspicious? We had all better be very worried about this. It’s the characteristic of a dictatorship
If they were arresting people committing actual crimes and if they were using proper arrest procedures, fine but they’re not. They’re grabbing peaceful protesters off the street to try and intimidate them, not arresting them or explaining anything, just threatening them. Classic fascist technique.
M. Ramirez, since you are such a fine, upstanding Christian, try reading Matthew 23:24, about “swallowing camels while straining gnats” You refuse to draw what is really happening. The camouflaged unidentified" (no badges or other ID) thugs who went around grabbing people off the street *without giving them explanations, and without approval from state or local authorities kidnapping and beating people who were not engaged in any illegal activities did not have any legal justification for their activities. Also, drawing a hammer and sickle on someone just because he is wearing black is another lie. But I guess you get paid to lie.
If they are clearly identifiable as Police Officers, which the Trump Gestapo are not, and the suspect is clearly breaking the law, I would agree – arrest them. But if these “officers” are in unmarked cars, in unmarked uniforms, and feel “suspicion” is equal to “evidence,” and the suspects are denied due process (informed of the charges for which they’re being arrested, access to an attorney, et al) then not so much.
I don’t think Ramirez meant it, but this is shockingly similar to Nazi propaganda to rationalize rounding up Jews. Right down to the nose, communist accusation and providing a list of “crimes”. I would be less disturbed if it was done intentionally.
I wonder how long it will be before I get my first Federal parking ticket, get busted for putting pastrami on a pizza, or have my computer seized for the nasty cartoons of Trump I draw.
But its ok if the Boogaloo Bois murder two Calif police officers.
n late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
The attacks began on May 29, when a drive-by shooting occurred in front of a federal courthouse in Oakland, resulting in the death of a security officer contracted with the Federal Protective Service. Over a week later on June 6, Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputies were shot at and also attacked with improvised explosive devices; one of them died as a result.
U.S. Air Force sergeant Steven Carrillo was arrested soon after the second attack. A second suspect, Robert Justus, surrendered to authorities five days later. The FBI indicated that Carrillo was associated with the boogaloo movement, a loosely organized American far-right extremist movement whose participants say they are preparing for a second civil war.123 Carrillo used the George Floyd protests as a cover to attack police officers, according to the FBI.4 A white van owned by Carrillo contained a ballistic vest with a patch bearing boogaloo symbolism. Carrillo is alleged to have written “boog” and the phrase “I became unreasonable” (a popular meme among boogaloo groups) in his own blood on the hood of a vehicle he hijacked.5 According to federal authorities, the suspects were motivated by the boogaloo movement’s ideology, and allegedly intended to spread its extremist views and start a race war.
Some of these police forces are acting properly but is clear they are poorly supervised and operating away from their usual support. Beatings of innocents have occurred. Americans have always valued freedom of speech over monuments. Safety over statues. You can put magnetic signs on rented vans in less than 24 hours. There is no excuse for “unmarked vehicles”.
So to Michael, the Navy Veteran in this story is a Communist thug that deserved the physical abuse he received at the hands of Feds in combat fatigues. Good to know what he finds as acceptable behavior by any law enforcement officer. Be sure to watch the actual video.
The US Navy veteran beaten by those in military garb (without ID and arriving in unmarked vehicles) for asking a question is unanswered in the Ramirez illustration and is noted in previous comments. As far as all the flag-waving “nationalist” and “patriotic” comments go, American’s are well-practiced at going beyond these hollow attempts to demonize those courageous enough to express their sincere concern about the state of affairs in the US. It’s an American tradition that goes back to our country’s beginning, personified by dumping tea (private property) in Boston Harbor, burning the national flag (the Union Jack), saying demeaning things about “mad” King George, being unpatriotic and standing against the Crown at Lexington and Concord, and writing and signing their so-called “Declaration of Independence” document — clearly a treasonous act that violates British national and traditional values. Do these rebels not know they’re British citizens who are well-loved by His Majesty (another very stable genius) and protected by British troops who only beat them mercilessly for their own good?
shakeswilly almost 4 years ago
Using masked thugs in unmarked vehicles to assault and detain peaceful protesters in not supported by the constitution either mr Bok.
davidthoms1 almost 4 years ago
Our constitution prohibits military police!
baroden Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Yes. Arrest the people that are doing those things.
=>Arrest them with police who are clearly identified as such.=>Arrest them and put them into police vehicles that are clearly marked as such.=>Arrest them and be able to demonstrate that they were shown due process. =>Arrest them with sufficient evidence to charge them and prosecute them. =>Try them fairly in a legally established court showing that their civil rights were protected and that “innocent until proven guilty” was upheld
Unless that’s done, all the arresting “officers” are doing is propagating the very thing these anarchists are protesting.
superposition almost 4 years ago
Comparing crime in Mayberry to Crime in Manhattan is not going to put Manhattan in a good light. Zero tolerance law does not work any better than overly liberal law in getting to the root cause of crime and eradicating it. Different environments require different regulations and methods. Sadly we still do not have effective methods to prevent all crime and not as we can see we cannot even distinguish between protesters and criminals.
Tell me again how our divided partisan political system makes America safer and more prosperous for all its people.
Patjade almost 4 years ago
Mike is practicing more revisionist propaganda.
wyneaux almost 4 years ago
And of course Mike, aren’t the people getting arrested by Rumpy’s Secret Police… now go back to the drawing board and make it right….
walfishj almost 4 years ago
The little sign POLICE? Where did you get that lie from Ramirez?
walfishj almost 4 years ago
https://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2020/07/22
NeedaChuckle Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I guess Mr. Ramirez celebrates Kristallnacht too!!
suzalee almost 4 years ago
as per the DHS, they are making arrests “proactively” which is what you and I know to be an unlawful seizure of one’s person. This means that then can just arrest you because they think you MIGHT commit a crime. How about that? What if an officer arrests you just because he thinks you look suspicious? We had all better be very worried about this. It’s the characteristic of a dictatorship
Zoturdley Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Would you people please stop trying to justify violence and the destruction of property in the Democratic controlled areas of this country.
ed27 almost 4 years ago
If they were arresting people committing actual crimes and if they were using proper arrest procedures, fine but they’re not. They’re grabbing peaceful protesters off the street to try and intimidate them, not arresting them or explaining anything, just threatening them. Classic fascist technique.
RAGs almost 4 years ago
M. Ramirez, since you are such a fine, upstanding Christian, try reading Matthew 23:24, about “swallowing camels while straining gnats” You refuse to draw what is really happening. The camouflaged unidentified" (no badges or other ID) thugs who went around grabbing people off the street *without giving them explanations, and without approval from state or local authorities kidnapping and beating people who were not engaged in any illegal activities did not have any legal justification for their activities. Also, drawing a hammer and sickle on someone just because he is wearing black is another lie. But I guess you get paid to lie.
farmer124 almost 4 years ago
Exactly.
Bookworm almost 4 years ago
If they are clearly identifiable as Police Officers, which the Trump Gestapo are not, and the suspect is clearly breaking the law, I would agree – arrest them. But if these “officers” are in unmarked cars, in unmarked uniforms, and feel “suspicion” is equal to “evidence,” and the suspects are denied due process (informed of the charges for which they’re being arrested, access to an attorney, et al) then not so much.
RalphConti almost 4 years ago
I don’t think Ramirez meant it, but this is shockingly similar to Nazi propaganda to rationalize rounding up Jews. Right down to the nose, communist accusation and providing a list of “crimes”. I would be less disturbed if it was done intentionally.
pc368dude almost 4 years ago
I wonder how long it will be before I get my first Federal parking ticket, get busted for putting pastrami on a pizza, or have my computer seized for the nasty cartoons of Trump I draw.
Ontman almost 4 years ago
It can’t happen here…..the hell it can’t!
Odon Premium Member almost 4 years ago
When you see a man ask about what they are doing, standing still, and receiving a beating something is dangerous wrong.
fusilier almost 4 years ago
Neither are Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti troops, Mr. Ramirez.
fusilier
James 2:24
Radish the wordsmith almost 4 years ago
But its ok if the Boogaloo Bois murder two Calif police officers.
n late May and early June 2020, two ambush-style attacks occurred against security personnel and law enforcement officers in California. The attacks left two dead and injured three others.
The attacks began on May 29, when a drive-by shooting occurred in front of a federal courthouse in Oakland, resulting in the death of a security officer contracted with the Federal Protective Service. Over a week later on June 6, Santa Cruz County sheriff’s deputies were shot at and also attacked with improvised explosive devices; one of them died as a result.
U.S. Air Force sergeant Steven Carrillo was arrested soon after the second attack. A second suspect, Robert Justus, surrendered to authorities five days later. The FBI indicated that Carrillo was associated with the boogaloo movement, a loosely organized American far-right extremist movement whose participants say they are preparing for a second civil war.123 Carrillo used the George Floyd protests as a cover to attack police officers, according to the FBI.4 A white van owned by Carrillo contained a ballistic vest with a patch bearing boogaloo symbolism. Carrillo is alleged to have written “boog” and the phrase “I became unreasonable” (a popular meme among boogaloo groups) in his own blood on the hood of a vehicle he hijacked.5 According to federal authorities, the suspects were motivated by the boogaloo movement’s ideology, and allegedly intended to spread its extremist views and start a race war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_boogaloo_killings
Radish the wordsmith almost 4 years ago
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States
Jun 17, 2020 – Based on a CSIS data set of terrorist incidents, the most significant threat likely comes from white supremacists.
But Trump sends the Fed Pigs to Portland to harass peaceful protesters and shoot them in the face and tear gas them.
Republicans love the white supremacist terrorists.
Woodstock Generation Premium Member almost 4 years ago
The contrast between Trump’s SS troops and the lone naked woman is a permanent image of the US in the minds of the world.
charliekane almost 4 years ago
What happened here?
Did Homeland Security just arrest Vladimir Putin for tagging the Portland Federal Building?
jhayesd31 almost 4 years ago
Ramirez is Right. WHO were these Terrorists that BEAT a Nave Vet and Annapolis Graduate David Christopher!
They Broke his Hand with Clubs and doused him in Chemicals because he had asked if their action were legal!
( whisper whisper whisper)
OH…… so Our side are the Terrorists?…… Arrest people without warrants?…..
I know how to Spin this…….
David Christopher is a Communist…. Right Mikey?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/us/portland-protests-navy-christopher-david.html
nancywilson51 almost 4 years ago
Big eye roll!!
mistercatworks almost 4 years ago
Some of these police forces are acting properly but is clear they are poorly supervised and operating away from their usual support. Beatings of innocents have occurred. Americans have always valued freedom of speech over monuments. Safety over statues. You can put magnetic signs on rented vans in less than 24 hours. There is no excuse for “unmarked vehicles”.
AndrewSihler almost 4 years ago
“Destroying federal property?” When was that? (Actually, bless me, don’t our military forces do that all the time, wholesale?")
ferddo almost 4 years ago
Fake news! Trump would never allow his unmarked thugs to arrest his Russian friends!
rhonda Premium Member almost 4 years ago
They are as long as we truly are a nation governed by laws.
braindead Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Portland is just a dress rehearsal.
Ramirez and all Trump Disciples are high-fiving after every bashed in skull.
.
If you’ve ever wondered what you’d have done in 1930s Germany, you’re doing it now.
ndblackirish97 almost 4 years ago
So to Michael, the Navy Veteran in this story is a Communist thug that deserved the physical abuse he received at the hands of Feds in combat fatigues. Good to know what he finds as acceptable behavior by any law enforcement officer. Be sure to watch the actual video.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/21/portland-protest-navy-vet-christopher-david-beaten-federal-agents-video/5477552002/
Kurtass Premium Member almost 4 years ago
Ramirez and all the other trumpcultists will love the police state being activated by trump. Because it will own them libs.
Kentucky Ken Premium Member almost 4 years ago
The US Navy veteran beaten by those in military garb (without ID and arriving in unmarked vehicles) for asking a question is unanswered in the Ramirez illustration and is noted in previous comments. As far as all the flag-waving “nationalist” and “patriotic” comments go, American’s are well-practiced at going beyond these hollow attempts to demonize those courageous enough to express their sincere concern about the state of affairs in the US. It’s an American tradition that goes back to our country’s beginning, personified by dumping tea (private property) in Boston Harbor, burning the national flag (the Union Jack), saying demeaning things about “mad” King George, being unpatriotic and standing against the Crown at Lexington and Concord, and writing and signing their so-called “Declaration of Independence” document — clearly a treasonous act that violates British national and traditional values. Do these rebels not know they’re British citizens who are well-loved by His Majesty (another very stable genius) and protected by British troops who only beat them mercilessly for their own good?
DrDon1 almost 4 years ago
In the ‘warped world of Ramirez,’ abusing journalists and peaceful protesters should be ‘standard procedure!’
DeepState almost 4 years ago
It’s a Crimea Putin strategy rip-off. Send in unmarked vehicles with unidentified people and disappear into the night.
chromosome Premium Member almost 4 years ago
I’ve been commenting “Welcome to the U.S.S.R.” on some of these comics… I think that hammer and sickle is on the wrong person(s).
The Love of Money is . . . almost 4 years ago
The Trump Police have now the MOM’s Group demonstrating . . . . . they too must all be communists now ? I would have guessed otherwise, Mike.
rethompson almost 4 years ago
Yes!