REAL kids (not fetal cells and actually look like the kids in the cartoon above ) who were killed by gun violence will be asking “ is it true that fetal cells have more more rights than us ? “
We are watching the Taliban-ification of America. Like the Taliban’s misinterpretation of Islam, so too is the misinterpretation of the five SCOTUS justices of Catholic teaching. These justices are pro-birth, not pro-life. In 2004, in an interview with Bill Moyers, Sr. Joan Chittister explained the difference. “I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. … That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.” In a later interview Sr. Joan says, “I frankly cannot understand why women’s health issues or abortion is absolutely the only life issue that the church has not nuanced. … We nuance that men can kill for all sorts of reasons. Men can kill to defend themselves. They can kill to defend the state. They can punish by killing in the name of the state. But women, never — not even to save their own pregnant life. It seems to me to be morally confused. Certainly, it’s morally inconsistent."
“Pro-Life” where you force the woman to carry a fetus, yet deny her funding for access to prenatal care, checkups, nutrition, or even help pay for hospital costs for delivery. After you force her to give birth to a child she didn’t want or couldn’t take care of in the first place, you then abandon her (as if you ever supported her in the first place), and cut funding for food, housing, education and tell her that the child is her responsibility and if she doesn’t raise it “right” she will be put in jail.
“Pro-Life” indeed. You don’t give a crap about the mother, and none really for the child.
Pro-Lifers pretend to care about unborn fetuses then want nothing to do with them or their mothers once they’re born. Who the hell is the Supreme Court to tell a woman what to do with her body? Or any politician? Pro-Lifers are frauds.
Cartoon Jesus above says, “Yes, right now, you’re all in Heaven with me. But when abortion is outlawed, you’ll all be born in sin, then die, and I get to throw half of you into Hell.”
I don’t think that’s Jeshua, who was from the middle-east and therefore would not have had long straight hair or been that light skinned. Maybe Greg Allman, though. Or Bret Michaels. (He knows what it’s like…)
“Supposedly Christians” lie, deceive, cheat, obstruct, bribe, etc to get their agendas passed! No matter what…sky’s the limit on how destructive their ways and means are….
Listen all, if you think these fetuses aren’t real children, look up what they look like after being aborted at 9, 15 & 20 weeks. Careful the pictures are very disturbing.
And the President (cough) just made an official WH comment against the SCOTUS draft and his statement included “…aborting a ‘CHILD’ .” It was a clear admission of what we know as true. We’ll have to see how they try to walk that back.
Hey everybody, why don’t you just use birth control! It really is that simple. Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. Pro Choice: Make the choice BEFORE you make the baby!
Once again: The point of banning abortions is NOT to reduce their number. Contraceptives, sex education, access to health care and other efforts, would accomplish that.
That is NOT the objective.
The objective is to PUNISH SINNERS, women sinners, and especially poor women sinners. (of course, being poor shows that they are not in God’s graces and are therefore sinners anyway)
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
Just remember the time when one of your ilk made the statement. Parents of the murdered school children should be rejoicing since the children are now with jesus. So hypocrisy thy name is republican.
The vast majority of aborted fetuses don’t look like the imaginary heavenly babies in Ramirez’s absurdly idealized cartoon. Many are still embryos. It’s perhaps understandable that “pro-life” people (pro-birth, actually; many are pro-gun and pro-death penalty, as well) want to portray them as such, as it helps reinforce their beliefs. But there is NOTHING in the Bible about abortion, one way or the other; the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) has for centuries been interpreted by rabbis to mean that a baby is not fully human (in the sense of equal importance to the mother) until the head emerges from the womb — before that, the mother’s health is considered more important than that of the fetus. Catholics, for obscure and arbitrary reasons, have been taught the opposite, and that the soul forms at conception, without any biological evidence at all.
Hey, Mike, exactly how many unwanted babies have you adopted??? And if I may quote Dennis Miller (before he used 9/11 as a convenient avenue to turn conservative and beef up his flagging comedy career), when it comes to abortion, ONE DICK = NO VOTE. PERIOD.
And I get the final word. All this boils down to one simple question: who gets to determine how women’s bodies are used, them or old white men in Washington?
More proof the Religious Right have never read any of the books. Jesus never said anything about abortion and the Bible if full of how to and when to have an abortion.
MY BODY, MY CHOICE!Men never worry if an accidental pregnancy will disrupt their lives or leave them bankrupt.The only votes that should count on Roe v Wade are the women of SCOTUS. While the men of SCOTUS may be old, a stiff dick has no conscience…never has, never will.
Wait, so they are all in heaven with Jesus? One of them enters a zygote at inception and then returns to heaven when an abortion happens? Shouldn’t the true believers be elated that the precious pure souls are never tainted by sin just by being born?
Here in reality when the mother’s health is in question she has the right to make the choice! Nothing in the draft has been authenticated or even approved!
Here in reality if a woman is in a position of not having the ability through poverty totake care of a baby put it up for adoption. That is a solution.
ProLIFE is wrong, they are properly ProBIRTH, because they don’t support well women and well baby care, education, jobs, foster and adoption programs…they don’t care AFTER BIRTH.
PS Micheal…when are you going to show all the people killed by guns up in heaven?
saylorgirl almost 2 years ago
This is beautiful! All of the beautiful babies that were discarded in heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ!
shakeswilly almost 2 years ago
REAL kids (not fetal cells and actually look like the kids in the cartoon above ) who were killed by gun violence will be asking “ is it true that fetal cells have more more rights than us ? “
Red Zinger almost 2 years ago
We are watching the Taliban-ification of America. Like the Taliban’s misinterpretation of Islam, so too is the misinterpretation of the five SCOTUS justices of Catholic teaching. These justices are pro-birth, not pro-life. In 2004, in an interview with Bill Moyers, Sr. Joan Chittister explained the difference. “I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. … That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.” In a later interview Sr. Joan says, “I frankly cannot understand why women’s health issues or abortion is absolutely the only life issue that the church has not nuanced. … We nuance that men can kill for all sorts of reasons. Men can kill to defend themselves. They can kill to defend the state. They can punish by killing in the name of the state. But women, never — not even to save their own pregnant life. It seems to me to be morally confused. Certainly, it’s morally inconsistent."
Patjade almost 2 years ago
“Pro-Life” where you force the woman to carry a fetus, yet deny her funding for access to prenatal care, checkups, nutrition, or even help pay for hospital costs for delivery. After you force her to give birth to a child she didn’t want or couldn’t take care of in the first place, you then abandon her (as if you ever supported her in the first place), and cut funding for food, housing, education and tell her that the child is her responsibility and if she doesn’t raise it “right” she will be put in jail.
“Pro-Life” indeed. You don’t give a crap about the mother, and none really for the child.
robcarroll1213 almost 2 years ago
Pro-Lifers pretend to care about unborn fetuses then want nothing to do with them or their mothers once they’re born. Who the hell is the Supreme Court to tell a woman what to do with her body? Or any politician? Pro-Lifers are frauds.
The Nodding Head almost 2 years ago
Calling Jesus: Anti-lifers oppose vaccinations, gun control, environmental protections, etc. Oh, by the way, racism kills.
NeoconMan almost 2 years ago
Cartoon Jesus above says, “Yes, right now, you’re all in Heaven with me. But when abortion is outlawed, you’ll all be born in sin, then die, and I get to throw half of you into Hell.”
And this is a GOOD thing.
gorbag almost 2 years ago
I don’t think that’s Jeshua, who was from the middle-east and therefore would not have had long straight hair or been that light skinned. Maybe Greg Allman, though. Or Bret Michaels. (He knows what it’s like…)
fusilier almost 2 years ago
For a minute I thought I’d clicked on Varvie.
Equally oversimplified and inane.
fusilier
James 2:24
ceckenrod1 almost 2 years ago
religion, just a crutch for the feeble minded. totally illogical
Zebrastripes almost 2 years ago
But on the other side of the coin….politicians
“Supposedly Christians” lie, deceive, cheat, obstruct, bribe, etc to get their agendas passed! No matter what…sky’s the limit on how destructive their ways and means are….
Zebrastripes almost 2 years ago
Abortion is not a clear black and white issue. There are blurred lines…gray areas to consider….
ChristopherBurns almost 2 years ago
When Ramierez tell us that the Right is not imposing Christian religious beliefs on us, remind him of this cartoon.
Jack7528 almost 2 years ago
Hope so, now need prayer in schools.
Jack7528 almost 2 years ago
Listen all, if you think these fetuses aren’t real children, look up what they look like after being aborted at 9, 15 & 20 weeks. Careful the pictures are very disturbing.
Conservatus almost 2 years ago
And the President (cough) just made an official WH comment against the SCOTUS draft and his statement included “…aborting a ‘CHILD’ .” It was a clear admission of what we know as true. We’ll have to see how they try to walk that back.
Texanna Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Hey everybody, why don’t you just use birth control! It really is that simple. Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. Pro Choice: Make the choice BEFORE you make the baby!
Ivan the Terrible almost 2 years ago
Amen! God bless the GOP!
braindead Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Once again: The point of banning abortions is NOT to reduce their number. Contraceptives, sex education, access to health care and other efforts, would accomplish that.
That is NOT the objective.
The objective is to PUNISH SINNERS, women sinners, and especially poor women sinners. (of course, being poor shows that they are not in God’s graces and are therefore sinners anyway)
inevattable almost 2 years ago
There is no immortal soul and there is no ‘heaven’ , both are part of Greek Mythology. Does Mr. R cling to a belief in Greek Mythology??
Conservatus almost 2 years ago
LoL.. haven’t thought of that term since High School Biology. Yup.. Zygote
Patjade almost 2 years ago
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.
- Pastor Dave Barnhart
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pastor-dave-barnhart-unborn/?fbclid=IwAR111GR3vMzX6Pm9w6_Y6rQPgANk6JOiBx0mUOBGRSdTTIgW-GrYLPTM4Z4
red6235 almost 2 years ago
Just remember the time when one of your ilk made the statement. Parents of the murdered school children should be rejoicing since the children are now with jesus. So hypocrisy thy name is republican.
1BlackLivesMatter Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Bad week for our lib friends – they lose their beloved abortions, AND they can’t censor opinions of it on Twitter.
Rich Douglas almost 2 years ago
Embryos, fetuses, zygotes are not babies.
apfelzra Premium Member almost 2 years ago
The vast majority of aborted fetuses don’t look like the imaginary heavenly babies in Ramirez’s absurdly idealized cartoon. Many are still embryos. It’s perhaps understandable that “pro-life” people (pro-birth, actually; many are pro-gun and pro-death penalty, as well) want to portray them as such, as it helps reinforce their beliefs. But there is NOTHING in the Bible about abortion, one way or the other; the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) has for centuries been interpreted by rabbis to mean that a baby is not fully human (in the sense of equal importance to the mother) until the head emerges from the womb — before that, the mother’s health is considered more important than that of the fetus. Catholics, for obscure and arbitrary reasons, have been taught the opposite, and that the soul forms at conception, without any biological evidence at all.
calliarcale almost 2 years ago
More toddlers?
drbeth almost 2 years ago
Hey, Mike, exactly how many unwanted babies have you adopted??? And if I may quote Dennis Miller (before he used 9/11 as a convenient avenue to turn conservative and beef up his flagging comedy career), when it comes to abortion, ONE DICK = NO VOTE. PERIOD.
NeoconMan almost 2 years ago
And I get the final word. All this boils down to one simple question: who gets to determine how women’s bodies are used, them or old white men in Washington?
grange Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Because the world needs more unwanted children.
GiantShetlandPony almost 2 years ago
More proof the Religious Right have never read any of the books. Jesus never said anything about abortion and the Bible if full of how to and when to have an abortion.
Sharkybill almost 2 years ago
Every sperm is sacred . . .
kelloggs2066 almost 2 years ago
Overnight, everyone on the Left suddenly became biologists.
Crabbyrino Premium Member almost 2 years ago
MY BODY, MY CHOICE!Men never worry if an accidental pregnancy will disrupt their lives or leave them bankrupt.The only votes that should count on Roe v Wade are the women of SCOTUS. While the men of SCOTUS may be old, a stiff dick has no conscience…never has, never will.
jrankin1959 almost 2 years ago
Wow – 202 comments by 9 a.m.; this must be a new record…
Plumb.Bob Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Wait, so they are all in heaven with Jesus? One of them enters a zygote at inception and then returns to heaven when an abortion happens? Shouldn’t the true believers be elated that the precious pure souls are never tainted by sin just by being born?
MuddyUSA Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Here in reality when the mother’s health is in question she has the right to make the choice! Nothing in the draft has been authenticated or even approved!
MuddyUSA Premium Member almost 2 years ago
Here in reality if a woman is in a position of not having the ability through poverty totake care of a baby put it up for adoption. That is a solution.
randolini Premium Member almost 2 years ago
So aborted fetuses end up in heaven, while forced birth kids end up in prisons for profit.
MC4802 Premium Member almost 2 years ago
ProLIFE is wrong, they are properly ProBIRTH, because they don’t support well women and well baby care, education, jobs, foster and adoption programs…they don’t care AFTER BIRTH.
PS Micheal…when are you going to show all the people killed by guns up in heaven?