Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for June 10, 2015

A Living wage…? I guess that depends on which side of the sign you are standing on doesn’t it.

You always have to start on the high side in negotiations. Otherwise, you end up with nothing at all…

argythree, Sometimes it seems like no matter what you do, you end up with nothing at all, …..

See, to the business guys there are way too many poor people, so they might as well pay them an un-living wage…Starve them to death! Perfect! They’ll die eventually….Fewer problems…

Hey, unions werent’ busted just so we could pay people a living wage.

Next, they’re gonna want weekends off.

You can live on $7.25/hr. It’s a meager, crowded (roommates), barely surviving, boring, with no hope of advancement sort of living, but it’s doable. Until the next catastrophe anyway.

Remember when the words “working poor” wasn’t the norm, and there was still a middle class?

give them a living wage and they may live till social security…we cant have that now can we??

How much is enough? Always more that what is possessed.

What is a true living wage. I know people making $25 per hr who can’t make it.

Living wage? We laugh at your living wage. We raise our government budgets by a minimum of 10% every year or call it a cut. You allow us to tax the people who make the things and provide the services that set your cost of living. Your living wage is a paper promise in a raging wild fire. Good luck, suckers. You are only the flip side of the TEA Party.

Growing up I never knew things could get so bad.

“You want a living wage? We’ll pay you one hamster a week”

If this was ancient Rome, the Senate would be shaking in their boots. (Okay, sandals.)

In their day, “the mob” meant revolution!

Pricing himself right out of the market.

BIG spread between what “I need” and “I want”. It’s the “other guy’s” fault when I don’t get what I want.A computer and on line access to make comments on “Non Sequitur” is clearly a “need”? It’s all so subjective.

You are paid a living wage, it’s not the CEO’s fault that most of it gets sucked up in taxation.

Don’t forget all of the Republicans calling for tax increases for the poor, which would be the result of the Flat Tax so many of them are calling for. Lower tax rates for the wealthy, higher tax rates for the poor. Every Republican’s wet dream.

Living wage includes saving for retirement/disability.

Nice!

The only thing that is going to save the Middle Class is the Middle Class. We are the 99%—- that means we have the votes to elect people who will actually represent middle class workers and provide a safety net for those who are trying to get into the middle class. Do your homework and find out who is working for you. If your rep is voting for the Middle Class, keep him, otherwise try the other party’s candidate. Keep at it until you find one who will actually vote for the Middle Class. If enough people did that, eventually there would be no selling out to the rich folks, because they would know it would mean they were getting voted out next election.

……………………………………………………………………………………….. If the candidate doesn’t have a voting record, find out who who is supporting them. That is who they will be working for. They have no choice if they want to stay in office. You have to do the bidding of whoever is paying your way, just the same as we all do in our jobs. So, before going to vote, look it up on the internet. Open Secrets is a good site, but there are plenty.

……………………………………………………………………………………………. If the candidate is getting their money from small donors or from unions, they are going to be working for middle class working people. If their donations are from corporations or from 1%ers, that’s who their votes are going to be working for. They are not going to go against them and do anything to help the middle class.

………………………………………………………………………………………….. It would be political suicide.

I was married in ‘74. 2 minimum wage full time jobs got us a cheap apartment, we were able to keep 2 junkers running, and we could hit the movies 2x a month and eat out(hamburgers) a couple of times. $25 was a week’s groceries, with a carton of smokes. A young couple these days has it a lot harder(at least here in SoCal)

Labor is the source of all capital.A “living wage” means that one person working 40 hours/week can support a family of 4 above the poverty level.This will not happen until poor & middle class people stop voting against heir own economic interests because candidates pander to their hatreds (and they’re stupid enough to not realize trickle-down is a documented failure).I quote John Steinbeck:“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”

As I recall Steinbeck was an ardent socialist and even fought on the loyalist side in the Spanish civil war (was an ambulance driver, I believe).One does not need to be a socialist to believe in social justice. There must be an incentive to move beyond mediocrity or a society will never even achieve mediocrity.

What is the point of working if for less than a living wage? What is that called – "bare survival’ wages?? All for the greater profit of the employer.

If we poke you with a stick and you respond, “hey, stop that!” then you’re living and you don’t need to be paid more.If you don’t respond, then you’re terminated.

Following Ricardo’s Theories faithfully leads to the French Revolution..And most of us know how That turned out for the Rich People.

The “Union Thugs” usually worked for Management..Pinkertons vs Molly McGuires comes to mind. .From Wikipedia:…Information passed from the Pinkerton detective, intended only for the detective agency and their client — the most powerful industrialist of the region—was also provided to vigilantes who ambushed and murdered miners suspected of being Molly Maguires, as well as their families.…

Zero-Gabriel: Right. And to quote the Texas Green Party platform, “Give disabled veterans all the help they need – and stop disabling more.” Will that get me banned? The corporate media forbids any mention of the Greens, unless it is one of the branches in another country, and that rarely.

It’s amazing how to some people it’s the “corporate media” and to others it’s the “radical left media”.

Of course disabled veterans should be properly cared for but how does one prevent more being created? Stay out of wars I suppose. Where do we go to surrender???

BTW. A good start would be to stop electing presidents from Texas. STAY OUT OF GRANADA!!!!

Because if you took all the money from all the CEOs and Corporate Heads, (Harvard was the First Corporation In the USA), we would each have ten dollars to lavish upon our selves. And if you took all the money from the wealthy, the markets would fail immediately and plunge the entire globe into a black hole depression.Spare money. That’s a good one. Let me know when you have spare money. I will suggest a food pantry or other charitable endeavor in your area toward which you might redeem all of mankind by your example.

Vote for socialism, this is what you get equality-everyone equally miserable, except for the elites taking their cut as they redistribute.

C’mon guys…you couldn’t have run out of conspiracy theories already.Put it on the Internet and every inbred idiot will believe it’s the gospel…especially those with a grade 8 education…Grade 4 twice.

I seek none of the luxuries you’ve named. My hope is to keep a roof over my head despite the increased costs of my medical care. My salary has been frozen for five years, but the shots that keep me from going blind cost $3000 each.

What good is a new car, a 300 channel cable TV subscription or a cool smartphone to someone who is going blind?

Rarely: The last time we were attacked was late 1941. 9/11 doesn’t count since most of the attackers were Saudi, with two Egyptians and a Yemani – so we attacked Iraq. That makes as much sense as in ’41 attacking Canada. which, if we had the present military, we probably would have in the ’70s.

Of course we each must do what we can in our own lives. Sometimes a “living wage” looks pretty good but I believe that it’s a good idea to have a carrot out there for those who can go for it … just for the sake of progress, That said, NO ONE should be without a “living wage” or, at least, without one in sight.The Iraq “adventure” was ill-conceived, to say the least, and it is likely a major reason we are where we are today. All that aside it looks like the western democracies are going to be called to the plate again without having a whole lot of choice. I, for one, wish that it were otherwise.“If you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything”. Perhaps it would be a good idea to stand for freedom of speech for now.

I have a suggestion for solving the ISIS/ISIL problem.Stop arming the Men in Iraq and, instead, arm & Train the Women. They are the ones who stand to lose the Most since ISIS/ISIL views Women as Property at Best and as Rape Bait in most day to day encounters.We already Have the example of the Kurds. Groups of Kurd Women have done more damage to ISIS/ISIL than Any other Group fighting them.Because they Know what is at stake: Their Lives and Their Children’s Lives.