Acorns are NOT trees, you dam dishonest worthless imbeciles! (Not that any of the judges could possibly understand how many embryos can fit into an acorn…..)
Those clumps of cells are minuscule and can only be seen under a microscope. Are they going to start arresting men who masturbate? Those sperm cells are alive. Every time a woman has her period, she expels an egg, which is alive, and it dies. Are they going to arrest her for that? The law is ridiculous. Hopefully saner people will prevail.
I remember going to a party with my father and coming home with my mother. Was I a person then? It is so much easier to study medicine and science when lawyers are the one practicing these disciplines.
The weird thing is these idiots who want children born have done the opposite, now IVF is going to be harder on parents who want kids. Way to go, religious fanatics!!
A large Alabama hospital has paused in vitro fertilization treatments as health care providers weigh the impact of a state court ruling that frozen embryos are the legal equivalent of children. Can you blame them?
If you live in ALA, do you have to move to another state to use IVF? Would you be charged, if you went to say, Mass. and then returned home?
Down South, you can drive drunk, kill someone and just pay a fine. So… if charged with an IVF offense, just say you were all boozed up, you didn’t mean it. $50 fine.
Medical requirements to be a human being/person: capacity for logical reasoning ability, consciousness, self-awareness.* Thus, scientifically and medically speaking an embryo/fetus cannot even be considered to be a human being/person earlier than the 8th or 9th month of pregnancy since the thalamus is not even fully connected to the cerebral cortex until the 30th week and the receptive fields are not established until the 35th week.
*medicine missouri edu centers-institutes-labs health-ethics
Does God attach the soul to the leading edge of the sperm cell He selects to join with the egg, or is the soul trailing behind so as to enter the egg instantly following fertilization?
Biologists are unable to answer this question, so I pose it to Christian True Believers™ whom God will reply directly to if they earnestly and sincerely inquire.
It’s hilarious seeing the party of “science” using every argument they can imagine to deny science. Of course, these were the same people that argued Blacks could be enslaved because they weren’t fully developed humans.
1) Next step from that court: Declaring it a felony for a woman to resist being raped, because that would be “murdering” a “potential” child.
2) But what they’ve “decided” should be unConstitutional — maybe even according to the Alabama Constitution, — since what they have authored should be the responsibility of the legislature, not the court.
MSNBC played an interview with Mike Pence post Dobbs, and the interviewer asked specifically whether he thought Dobbs might be a problem for IVF. Pence did not concede that at all, and went on strongly support IVF. All of his children were brought forth by IVF.
This is going to get very uncomfortable for Republicans.
Godfreydaniel 3 months ago
Acorns are NOT trees, you dam dishonest worthless imbeciles! (Not that any of the judges could possibly understand how many embryos can fit into an acorn…..)
Radish the wordsmith 3 months ago
Red state Alabama
Concretionist 3 months ago
Yeah. No.
Are they going to forbid freezing off keratoses or warts?
It just cannot be about logic or law, it HAS to be about some kind of crazy ideas that have no connection to what we really do, really are.
Cipher 3 months ago
Would not freezing embryos then be considered child abuse? Should you not then put them into foster homes instead?
S&C = Dismayed&Depressed 3 months ago
Soooooo, when do they start declaring ovum and sperm have citizenship rights?….sheesh…
Olddog1 3 months ago
Alabama taliban.
monya_43 3 months ago
Those clumps of cells are minuscule and can only be seen under a microscope. Are they going to start arresting men who masturbate? Those sperm cells are alive. Every time a woman has her period, she expels an egg, which is alive, and it dies. Are they going to arrest her for that? The law is ridiculous. Hopefully saner people will prevail.
Stephen Runnels Premium Member 3 months ago
Remember, these people also believe biblical characters are real.
tpcox928 3 months ago
I remember going to a party with my father and coming home with my mother. Was I a person then? It is so much easier to study medicine and science when lawyers are the one practicing these disciplines.
cdward 3 months ago
If they don’t get to deduct them as dependents, then they can’t really be children.
MC4802 Premium Member 3 months ago
Google Nikki Haley Alabama Embryo to gain an understanding of where in the spectrum she resides.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member 3 months ago
The weird thing is these idiots who want children born have done the opposite, now IVF is going to be harder on parents who want kids. Way to go, religious fanatics!!
superposition 3 months ago
The Lone Panda & Tonto 3 months ago
“Nobody expects the republikan inquisition!”
JCunnngham Premium Member 3 months ago
does Jake’s t-shirt say ’BAMA or OBAMA??? Only the right suspender strap knows…
The Lone Panda & Tonto 3 months ago
A large Alabama hospital has paused in vitro fertilization treatments as health care providers weigh the impact of a state court ruling that frozen embryos are the legal equivalent of children. Can you blame them?
If you live in ALA, do you have to move to another state to use IVF? Would you be charged, if you went to say, Mass. and then returned home?
Down South, you can drive drunk, kill someone and just pay a fine. So… if charged with an IVF offense, just say you were all boozed up, you didn’t mean it. $50 fine.
Alberta Oil Premium Member 3 months ago
Good Lord.. you got some real wackos running your justice system in those Southern states. From this side of the fence, our condolences.
thelordthygod666 3 months ago
Medical requirements to be a human being/person: capacity for logical reasoning ability, consciousness, self-awareness.* Thus, scientifically and medically speaking an embryo/fetus cannot even be considered to be a human being/person earlier than the 8th or 9th month of pregnancy since the thalamus is not even fully connected to the cerebral cortex until the 30th week and the receptive fields are not established until the 35th week.
*medicine missouri edu centers-institutes-labs health-ethics
smartgrr 3 months ago
Every sperm is sacred…every sperm is good
syzygy47 3 months ago
Real life from the hand of Monty Python, The Meaning of Life
“ Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great.If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate”
Republicans don’t understand that satire is a cautionary scenario not a game plan.
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member 3 months ago
Does God attach the soul to the leading edge of the sperm cell He selects to join with the egg, or is the soul trailing behind so as to enter the egg instantly following fertilization?
Biologists are unable to answer this question, so I pose it to Christian True Believers™ whom God will reply directly to if they earnestly and sincerely inquire.
Walter Kocker Premium Member 3 months ago
The other day I was in our backyard feeding sunflower seeds to the birds when I accidentally spilled some seeds on the ground.
I’m SO happy I don’t live in Alabama . . .
Rodeo44 Premium Member 3 months ago
Need to get them children signed up for Social Security cards.
Radish the wordsmith 3 months ago
Alabama adding a whole new meaning to “kiddie pops‘.
Radish the wordsmith 3 months ago
We give Israel 10 million a day, abortions are free, legal and no questions asked.
piper_gilbert 3 months ago
Will I be able to take each embryo as a tax deduction?
Radish the wordsmith 3 months ago
I’d like some bacon and fried eggs…
Here in Alabamy we calls eggs murdered chickens…
charliekane 3 months ago
I speak of what I know. We went through numerous IVF cycles, alas without success. The Alabama Supreme Court is nuts.
tee929 3 months ago
If the embryo is over 18 years frozen, does it have voting rights as well?
SammySnyder 3 months ago
It’s hilarious seeing the party of “science” using every argument they can imagine to deny science. Of course, these were the same people that argued Blacks could be enslaved because they weren’t fully developed humans.
gammaguy 3 months ago
1) Next step from that court: Declaring it a felony for a woman to resist being raped, because that would be “murdering” a “potential” child.
2) But what they’ve “decided” should be unConstitutional — maybe even according to the Alabama Constitution, — since what they have authored should be the responsibility of the legislature, not the court.
pamela welch Premium Member 3 months ago
So when it doesn’t ‘take’, the woman is a murderer?
gnorth22 Premium Member 3 months ago
MSNBC played an interview with Mike Pence post Dobbs, and the interviewer asked specifically whether he thought Dobbs might be a problem for IVF. Pence did not concede that at all, and went on strongly support IVF. All of his children were brought forth by IVF.
This is going to get very uncomfortable for Republicans.
mrwiskers 3 months ago
Let the lawsuits begin!
chaosed2 3 months ago
Reductio ad Absurdum