Now that the trial is over, Fox Propaganda, featuring FTucker Carlson, is showing that it was nothing more than a reality TV show funded, scripted, coached, and filmed to be inspiration to a certain audience and rake in lots of money and viewers. Once the charge of firearm legality was thrown out, the rest was able to fall into place nicely, using Wisconsin’s law. The fact that he perjured himself about several aspects wasn’t on trial here and I doubt anyone is going to follow up on it, because it would be “bad optics”.
Bruce Schroeder, limited the scope of the jury’s deliberation to Wisconson’s laws, however poorly written they were.
I do wonder if the outcome would have been the same if the jury have been informed, by Schroeder, about jury nullification … i.e. the jury’s right to do the correct thing even nullify a bad law to make their decision.
Confusion over whether or not jury nullification is legal often comes from prosecutors, judges, and other detractors who wish to discourage its use. They will often strongly imply or outright falsely state—even in the instructions to the jury—that “there is no such thing as valid jury nullification” or that to engage in jury nullification would constitute a violation of the juror’s oath.
Fox played the whole trial live for everyone to see. The other stations did not do that & only told people what they wanted them to think later in the day. All three self defense shootings are on video.
The “hero” victims: Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted child molester with 5 boys that are known of ages 9 to 11 & a page of assaults, mostly assault on staff charges. He was also shouting the n word liberally.
Anthony Huber’s most serious case came when he was found guilty of a felony for strangulation and suffocation, domestic abuse. He was also convicted in that case of felony false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, domestic abuse. This is all a nice way of saying spouse beater.
Gaige Grosskreutz the one who lived, that aimed his gun at Kyles head. Has a string of dismissed cases and an expunged felony conviction. A prior misdemeanor conviction for intoxicated use of a firearm. In January 2021, he was accused of second-offense drunk driving, but the case was dismissed on a prosecutor’s motion. A police report in West Allis, Wisconsin, accused him of “lurking” in an area where police in that suburban Milwaukee community keep their private vehicles, videotaping them. He pleaded no contest 3 Nov 2021.
“Gaige had no reasons to be there and had no vehicle in the lot. He was previously detained for prowling in the same area and released,” the report says in the prowling case. “Gaige appeared to be video taping personal vehicles in the rear police parking lot. Gaige made clear his anti law enforcement views. Gaige was arrested for prowling, booked, cited and released.”
Grosskreutz admitted during testimony that his concealed carry permit was expired, making it unlawful for him to carry the gun he was hiding in his waistband.
All three incidents are on video. If Kyle was not white he would be hailed as a hero, but because he is white he has to look over his shoulder for bloodthirsty low informed individuals the rest of his life.
So Rittenhouse got off of murder charges by claiming self defense against people who were trying to defend themselves against some kid waving a gun at them.
Remember, everybody, if you’re out protesting lib’rul gummint overreach, and some not quite white enough, bleeding heart, atifa supporter points a gun at you, DON’T attack him! He has the right to defend himself by murdering you. As confirmed by a jury in Wisconsin.
Protestors “trying to kill him”: The shooting survivor testified that he pointed his gun at the young man who had just killed two men but that he just couldn’t take a life. Having no similar moral constraints, Rittenhouse proceeded to maim him.
As for the other two men, the dead cannot speak. Cryin’ Kyle has to live with himself and whatever semblance of a conscience he might possess. And so do you, Mr. Bok.
I’m sorry, but are self defense laws only for the armed. It is apparent that any attempt to disarm a “citizen” can be met with deadly force and no consequences. The former “duty to retreat” laws now apply only to the unarmed—and mentally stable.
Kyle’s major crime was being “White” and being very proficient with his firearm. Something more people should try to do. Take a gun safety course and check out a shooting range. Wear that 357 mag proudly on your side. When everyone has a firearm we will all act more civil in public.
So if an gunman comes to my school and we try to disarm him (it’s always a him) and he shoots us, would a Wisconsin jury acquit him because he was standing his ground and feared for his life?
Everybody (besides convicted felons and the certified mentally ill) in America should be given a gun. They can have at it and when the dust settles maybe we can have a little peace.
If you were on the street during a protest demonstration (civil or not) and saw a teenager with an AR-15 walking toward you, would you run and hide or thank him for helping to police the neighborhood?
BREAKING NEWS JUST IN, MSNBC IS REPORTING …Kyle Rittenhouse was driving the Ford Escape that killed and maimed over 20 in Waukesha Wi. Tonight. Well We Hope It Was, well maybe. Yes it had to be because it was a SUV so it had to be White Supremist. What other explanation could it fit. THIS JUST IN….Driver was wearing a MAGA Hat over his Klan Hood while wearing a Proud Boy Shirt and firing a AR-14 With a Banana Clip loaded with nuclear bullets. Up Dates to follow as soon as we make them up.
Let this be a lesson to people — if you see a stranger walking down the street with a semiautomatic gun and you fear he may shoot you, do not attempt to disarm him. Shoot him instead. Because the only person who gets to explain their intent is the one that survives.
“Trying to kill him” only in his imagination. And two men are dead because Rittenhouse has a flourishing, creative imagination and took that imagination with him to a city where he didn’t belong.
Patjade over 2 years ago
Now that the trial is over, Fox Propaganda, featuring FTucker Carlson, is showing that it was nothing more than a reality TV show funded, scripted, coached, and filmed to be inspiration to a certain audience and rake in lots of money and viewers. Once the charge of firearm legality was thrown out, the rest was able to fall into place nicely, using Wisconsin’s law. The fact that he perjured himself about several aspects wasn’t on trial here and I doubt anyone is going to follow up on it, because it would be “bad optics”.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/rittenhouse-lawyer-mark-richards-fox-news-tucker-carlson-1260675/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-tucker-carlson-documentary-richards/
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/20/fox-news-tucker-carlson-interview-kyle-rittenhouse
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-interview-fox-news-tucker-carlson/8691565002/
https://www.thewrap.com/kyle-rittenhouse-reaction-not-guilty-verdict-tucker-carlson-fox-news/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqfiGKn2dKo
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-go-tucker-carlson-tonight-fox-news-monday/8691221002/
https://deadline.com/2021/11/fox-news-tucker-carlson-kyle-rittenhouse-interview-1234877937/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kyle-rittenhouse-tucker-carlson-fox-b1961233.html
And of course, the producer of this reality TV show’s angle:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6282970441001#sp=show-clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6hfdYvyHXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmLJ9RRgkU
I hope you guys enjoyed the show. It was a funding and ratings bombshell which makes me wonder what the sequel will be.
As for the judge, given his erratic behavior throughout the trial, he might consider making this his high point and consider retiring.
William Bednar Premium Member over 2 years ago
No. It was Kyle’s “crocodile tears” defense that got him off.
superposition over 2 years ago
Bruce Schroeder, limited the scope of the jury’s deliberation to Wisconson’s laws, however poorly written they were.
I do wonder if the outcome would have been the same if the jury have been informed, by Schroeder, about jury nullification … i.e. the jury’s right to do the correct thing even nullify a bad law to make their decision.
Confusion over whether or not jury nullification is legal often comes from prosecutors, judges, and other detractors who wish to discourage its use. They will often strongly imply or outright falsely state—even in the instructions to the jury—that “there is no such thing as valid jury nullification” or that to engage in jury nullification would constitute a violation of the juror’s oath.
https://fija.org/library-and-resources/library/jury-nullification-faq/is-jury-nullification-legal.html
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/criminal/criminal-law-basics/jury-nullification-when-the-jury-ignores-the-law.html
suzalee over 2 years ago
Those protestors didn’t have guns. He did.
Ken 2049 Premium Member over 2 years ago
Fox played the whole trial live for everyone to see. The other stations did not do that & only told people what they wanted them to think later in the day. All three self defense shootings are on video.
The “hero” victims: Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted child molester with 5 boys that are known of ages 9 to 11 & a page of assaults, mostly assault on staff charges. He was also shouting the n word liberally.
Anthony Huber’s most serious case came when he was found guilty of a felony for strangulation and suffocation, domestic abuse. He was also convicted in that case of felony false imprisonment with a dangerous weapon, domestic abuse. This is all a nice way of saying spouse beater.
Gaige Grosskreutz the one who lived, that aimed his gun at Kyles head. Has a string of dismissed cases and an expunged felony conviction. A prior misdemeanor conviction for intoxicated use of a firearm. In January 2021, he was accused of second-offense drunk driving, but the case was dismissed on a prosecutor’s motion. A police report in West Allis, Wisconsin, accused him of “lurking” in an area where police in that suburban Milwaukee community keep their private vehicles, videotaping them. He pleaded no contest 3 Nov 2021.
“Gaige had no reasons to be there and had no vehicle in the lot. He was previously detained for prowling in the same area and released,” the report says in the prowling case. “Gaige appeared to be video taping personal vehicles in the rear police parking lot. Gaige made clear his anti law enforcement views. Gaige was arrested for prowling, booked, cited and released.”
Grosskreutz admitted during testimony that his concealed carry permit was expired, making it unlawful for him to carry the gun he was hiding in his waistband.
All three incidents are on video. If Kyle was not white he would be hailed as a hero, but because he is white he has to look over his shoulder for bloodthirsty low informed individuals the rest of his life.
1BlackLivesMatter Premium Member over 2 years ago
True words, great ’toon!
Nebulous Premium Member over 2 years ago
So Rittenhouse got off of murder charges by claiming self defense against people who were trying to defend themselves against some kid waving a gun at them.
Remember, everybody, if you’re out protesting lib’rul gummint overreach, and some not quite white enough, bleeding heart, atifa supporter points a gun at you, DON’T attack him! He has the right to defend himself by murdering you. As confirmed by a jury in Wisconsin.
Ontman over 2 years ago
Kyle’s mommy should have taken him to a military academy. He probably wouldn’t last a day.
The Nodding Head over 2 years ago
Protestors “trying to kill him”: The shooting survivor testified that he pointed his gun at the young man who had just killed two men but that he just couldn’t take a life. Having no similar moral constraints, Rittenhouse proceeded to maim him.
As for the other two men, the dead cannot speak. Cryin’ Kyle has to live with himself and whatever semblance of a conscience he might possess. And so do you, Mr. Bok.
WestNYC Premium Member over 2 years ago
Hopefully the victims families can file a civil suit against the Rittenhouse family and bankrupt them for generations.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
The right sees it as a license to murder the left.
Duane Ott over 2 years ago
I’m sorry, but are self defense laws only for the armed. It is apparent that any attempt to disarm a “citizen” can be met with deadly force and no consequences. The former “duty to retreat” laws now apply only to the unarmed—and mentally stable.
Ivan the Terrible over 2 years ago
Kyle’s major crime was being “White” and being very proficient with his firearm. Something more people should try to do. Take a gun safety course and check out a shooting range. Wear that 357 mag proudly on your side. When everyone has a firearm we will all act more civil in public.
ChristopherBurns over 2 years ago
So if an gunman comes to my school and we try to disarm him (it’s always a him) and he shoots us, would a Wisconsin jury acquit him because he was standing his ground and feared for his life?
Sun over 2 years ago
Kyle Rittenhouse is totally innocent of any crime from day one, he had every right to defend himself. Justice has been served.
Local 574 Premium Member over 2 years ago
Raging maniacs trying to kill him. I watched the videos. Did you?
braindead Premium Member over 2 years ago
Another LIE by Bok. Nice going, Chip.
Again.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
Women rotting in jail for killing their abusers would like a word.
Trent Cason over 2 years ago
Amen. Young children are safer. Women are safer. Good riddance to trash.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
Gun Owners of America ‘awarding’ Rittenhouse with AR-15 gun similar to weapon used in fatal shootings
Verdict exposes partisan divides on gun rights and permissiveness of lethal self-defense claims
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-shooting-gun-b1961701.html
Claims self defense for the problem he created.
Freedom From Premium Member over 2 years ago
Democrats, who commit most of the violent crime in the US, are upset that an American successfully defended himself from violent Democrats. Boo hoo.
B 8671 over 2 years ago
What should happen now is the families of the deceased should sue the hell out of the kid just like the Goldman and Brown families did O.J.
DrDon1 over 2 years ago
Bok raises a divisive issue but offers little for an intelligent discussion…
Rich Douglas over 2 years ago
They guy walks into a situation that doesn’t involve him, brandishing an AR-15, and we wonder why people try to protect themselves?
Rittenhouse caused those conflicts, then ended the first two by murdering unarmed victims. He then shot a third who was armed and trying to stop him.
Lescoe Brandon over 2 years ago
The murdered rioters had a legacy. In their death they voted for me.
Scoutmaster77 over 2 years ago
Everybody (besides convicted felons and the certified mentally ill) in America should be given a gun. They can have at it and when the dust settles maybe we can have a little peace.
apfelzra Premium Member over 2 years ago
If you were on the street during a protest demonstration (civil or not) and saw a teenager with an AR-15 walking toward you, would you run and hide or thank him for helping to police the neighborhood?
Ammo is on a break Premium Member over 2 years ago
BREAKING NEWS JUST IN, MSNBC IS REPORTING …Kyle Rittenhouse was driving the Ford Escape that killed and maimed over 20 in Waukesha Wi. Tonight. Well We Hope It Was, well maybe. Yes it had to be because it was a SUV so it had to be White Supremist. What other explanation could it fit. THIS JUST IN….Driver was wearing a MAGA Hat over his Klan Hood while wearing a Proud Boy Shirt and firing a AR-14 With a Banana Clip loaded with nuclear bullets. Up Dates to follow as soon as we make them up.
calliarcale over 2 years ago
Let this be a lesson to people — if you see a stranger walking down the street with a semiautomatic gun and you fear he may shoot you, do not attempt to disarm him. Shoot him instead. Because the only person who gets to explain their intent is the one that survives.
sfcarl Premium Member over 2 years ago
“Trying to kill him” only in his imagination. And two men are dead because Rittenhouse has a flourishing, creative imagination and took that imagination with him to a city where he didn’t belong.
Andylit Premium Member over 2 years ago
Mr Bok NAILS it, but the irony goes right over the heads of the liberal idiots posting here.