You beestard. I can never un-see that.
Repeat: So you concur that the media and others are inflating the risk of a monkeypox pandemic? Can you bring yourself to type an admission that the government and media reaction to a small outbreak of monkeypox is completely out of sync with the actual problem?
“some thought that the cases being seen may have been sexually transmitted…”
Your cautious wording is commendable but rather silly. The large majority of the cases in Europe are gay men who attended large gatherings in Spain and Belgium as well as a bathhouse in Madrid. Local health officials are still working the contact tracing but the preliminary statements make it clear that the almost certain outcome will be a beefed up warning to the LGBTQ community similar to that issued by the CDC.
And yes, that IS how most of the previous vaccines (excluding flu shots) work. You can find similar studies for measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. The vaccines we grew up with vastly outperform the “rated” efficacy. The immune system boost provided varies from patient to patient but on average is several multiples of the promised result and often extends to 50, 60, even 70 to 80 years after vaccination.
So you concur that the media and others are inflating the risk of a monkeypox pandemic?
BTW, here is how vaccines are supposed to work. How the entire world understood that they work…until the CDC and others changed the definitions.
Take a look at this study on the long term efficacy of the small pox vaccine. I will admit that I am surprised at the results. I knew the 3-5 year figure was an ultra low estimate but I had no idea the vaccine would carry out as long as it does.
They found substantial immunity averaging around 60% for the test group. Out as far as 88 years since the last vaccination in one case.
Check this out:
“The median line through the values obtained on these subjects had a small negative slope (−0.0003/year) (data not shown), suggesting that even individuals who have had only a single vaccination maintain protective levels of neutralizing antibody indefinitely.”
Hi Frannie. Life is frenetic. We had a loss that I do need to report at BCN. Just not ready to write that post yet.
Maybe Andy was actually speaking to the topic of monkeypox before some of you decided to divert the conversation.
You claim to be heavily involved with vaccine efficacy studies. How about you give us your professional opinion on the sources of monkeypox, the current case loads and future projections, the transmissiblity and the real world likelihood of a monkeypox pandemic.
90% effective at what? The Covid vaccines do not prevent infection or reinfection. That is the whole idea behind a vaccine. The smallpox vaccine essentially eradicated the disease in the US, the western world and most of the rest of the globe.
The smallpox vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate for at least 5 years against smallpox. 85% against monkeypox.
The Covid vaccine efficacy is nowhere near 90%, even at SIX MONTHS. At this point the number of new infections per 100k population is slightly higher in fully vaccinated than in unvaccinated. Setting aside the growing number of known and acknowledged adverse reactions, the Covid vaccines have very little if any value in combating an illness that even the FDA now admits should be treated like the ordinary seasonal flu.
90% for 6 months? Versus 85% for 5 YEARS. What part did you need help with?
Much ado about nothing. At least nothing for 97% of us.
In Africa the ongoing outbreak (since 1970) is mostly related of animal bites and bush meat.
In the Western world the large majority of the cases are gay men.
The mask is on the wrong head.
How old are you? If you were born before 1980 you were likely vaccinated for smallpox. 85% effective against monkeypox.
All you young gay males…best get the jab. The one that actually worked and eliminated a global scourge without killing tens of thousands and maiming millions.
I’m gonna be a buzz-kill.
It was mostly fun as a kid…until I was old enough to understand that we camped because we didn’t have enough money for anything else. As the equipment aged, wore out and got ratty the experience became more of a chore than a vacation. It stopped being fun.
I gave it a good try as an adult. Bought good gear, went to some great places with great people. Bottom line for me….meh.
I have a back injury from my teens (motorcycle accident) that does interesting things after 2-3 days sleeping on an air mattress, chopping wood, hauling water and all the rest means that a week in the woods leaves me in a less than happy state.