Being a “Jr.” with all types of nicknames over the years, (1st SS card issued under one, first voter registration under another, started donating blood under one, etc) I have had to do multiple adjustments over the years as each agency has digitised and automated. I think everything is now consistent, but who knows.
Well noted. When I recite the 45 presidents, I tend to question how to say the names. Suppose that same “difference” would apply to the middle name. I have on occasion used both my middle and Confirmation names, where just my first and last would do. There is no one else alive with my first and last name, which is why I tend not to give it on the internet.
We have cost-effective means to efficiently and correctly identify people using biometrics (my credit union uses it) and we don’t use it for voter registration because?
AND, for all the people who complained that Obama used the name of his adoptive father for a while, may we present President Leslie Lynch King, who took the name of HIS adoptive father, Gerald Rudolph Ford!
In the case of Clinton (and perhaps Ford), I believe they were adopted under the authority of a civil court, so those names would be their ‘legal’ names.
John Smith, Robert Jones, James Johnson, Charles Brown, Willie Miller, Antonio Hernandez, Manuel Garcia, etc, etc, etc.
The laws are written as they are because we have about 50 surnames that account for about 20% of the population, with 50 given names that account for about 35% of the male population and 50 female names touching about 25% of that poplulation.
The laws are written as they are because precincts may well have multiple John Smiths and Robert Jones. Written not to weed out a specific race but to address the very common issue of nearly identical names on the registry.
You folks desperately need to get over yourselves. You see hatred and racism EVERYWHERE. To a degree that makes me worry about your ability to discern rhetoric from reality.
While I expect that this targets minority voters (as most of the Republican voting prevention tactics do), it is likely to have an outsize effect on women, as they are most likely to change names through marriage and divorce. And we don’t just change our last name from one to another and use or drop a middle initial (men might do this too), many women decide to use a hyphenated or compound name after marriage, adding another possible “non-match” point. Remember, African American women are the backbone of the Democratic party — and these rules have been instituted in “red” states. Look, mom! Two, two, two birds with one stone.
I have a unique last name (Anglicized Old French) and my middle name is from a Confederate General (It was my paternal grandfather’s middle name). I did find another Charles with the same last name as me (a distant cousin), but a different middle name. My family dates back to 1700 in the British Colonies.
FL Sec of State Katherine Harris (Bush campaign worker too) and Gov. Jeb Bush removed voters in Florida using a list of felons from Texas with similar names. Now Kemp wants to remove voters because their name has a hyphen in one place or their address has Road on ID and Rd. on registration. Funny how Repubs keep twisting the rules to enable their latest cheating scheme.
People’s addresses are in their voter registration records. The only complication due to same name and address I’ve run across in the four times I’ve been a father and son, and they came to vote together so there really wasn’t a problem.
Let’s face it, the ‘pubs are just being ingenuous when they claim they just want elections to be free of fraud. Too many of the dumber ones have admitted it’s all about getting their side elected. Because they know they’ll never win in issues. Otherwise they would at least try.
Interesting that the Republicans are so afraid of alleged “voter fraud” committed by Americans that they legislate statutes that make it difficult to exercise the right to vote, but downplay or deny outright evidence of Russians interfering in our elections.
In reality, it’s not so much about individuals using different versions of their name.
More significantly (IMO), a voter can be denied the vote due to the action of someone else… e.g., a clerical worker in the voter registration system typing their name incorrectly. Whether accidental or deliberate, that is something the voter would have no control over AND be unaware of until they are not allowed to vote.
There was even a news story a few days ago that a disgruntled vote-office worker wrote things on the outsides of (hundreds? of) envelopes containing mail-in ballots, thereby invalidating them according to that state’s laws.
thebashfulone over 5 years ago
Brilliant!
Dkram over 5 years ago
Yah, and it works for both sides.
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happyhollow over 5 years ago
Being a “Jr.” with all types of nicknames over the years, (1st SS card issued under one, first voter registration under another, started donating blood under one, etc) I have had to do multiple adjustments over the years as each agency has digitised and automated. I think everything is now consistent, but who knows.
VegaAlopex over 5 years ago
Well noted. When I recite the 45 presidents, I tend to question how to say the names. Suppose that same “difference” would apply to the middle name. I have on occasion used both my middle and Confirmation names, where just my first and last would do. There is no one else alive with my first and last name, which is why I tend not to give it on the internet.
superposition over 5 years ago
We have cost-effective means to efficiently and correctly identify people using biometrics (my credit union uses it) and we don’t use it for voter registration because?
Masterskrain Premium Member over 5 years ago
Absolutely right!
AND, for all the people who complained that Obama used the name of his adoptive father for a while, may we present President Leslie Lynch King, who took the name of HIS adoptive father, Gerald Rudolph Ford!gigagrouch over 5 years ago
And don’t forget all the women who took their husbands’ name!
Fido (aka Felix Rex) Premium Member over 5 years ago
In the case of Clinton (and perhaps Ford), I believe they were adopted under the authority of a civil court, so those names would be their ‘legal’ names.
Radish the wordsmith over 5 years ago
Republican sponsored voter suppression is openly going on in Georgia and Kansas now
it will be used as the example for the whole country if Republicans win.
Are they knocking out everyone with a misplaced name or just the Dems?
Diamond Lil over 5 years ago
I never changed my name to my husband’s but I have been told I can legally use it. It’s all blatant suppression
Scoutmaster77 over 5 years ago
As always, very informative.
Andylit Premium Member over 5 years ago
John Smith, Robert Jones, James Johnson, Charles Brown, Willie Miller, Antonio Hernandez, Manuel Garcia, etc, etc, etc.
The laws are written as they are because we have about 50 surnames that account for about 20% of the population, with 50 given names that account for about 35% of the male population and 50 female names touching about 25% of that poplulation.
https://names.mongabay.com/male_names.htm
https://names.mongabay.com/female_names.htm
https://surnames.behindthename.com/top/lists/united-states/2010
The laws are written as they are because precincts may well have multiple John Smiths and Robert Jones. Written not to weed out a specific race but to address the very common issue of nearly identical names on the registry.
You folks desperately need to get over yourselves. You see hatred and racism EVERYWHERE. To a degree that makes me worry about your ability to discern rhetoric from reality.
casonia2 over 5 years ago
Good one, Brian!
katzenquilts over 5 years ago
While I expect that this targets minority voters (as most of the Republican voting prevention tactics do), it is likely to have an outsize effect on women, as they are most likely to change names through marriage and divorce. And we don’t just change our last name from one to another and use or drop a middle initial (men might do this too), many women decide to use a hyphenated or compound name after marriage, adding another possible “non-match” point. Remember, African American women are the backbone of the Democratic party — and these rules have been instituted in “red” states. Look, mom! Two, two, two birds with one stone.
Godfreydaniel over 5 years ago
Probably the best 2P0 since Herbert Hoover was Willy Wonka!
Charlie Tuba over 5 years ago
You left out James Earl Carter, III.
Charlie Tuba over 5 years ago
I have a unique last name (Anglicized Old French) and my middle name is from a Confederate General (It was my paternal grandfather’s middle name). I did find another Charles with the same last name as me (a distant cousin), but a different middle name. My family dates back to 1700 in the British Colonies.
Charlie Tuba over 5 years ago
Never trust anyone who goes by their middle name!
Nantucket Premium Member over 5 years ago
FL Sec of State Katherine Harris (Bush campaign worker too) and Gov. Jeb Bush removed voters in Florida using a list of felons from Texas with similar names. Now Kemp wants to remove voters because their name has a hyphen in one place or their address has Road on ID and Rd. on registration. Funny how Repubs keep twisting the rules to enable their latest cheating scheme.
People’s addresses are in their voter registration records. The only complication due to same name and address I’ve run across in the four times I’ve been a father and son, and they came to vote together so there really wasn’t a problem.
kaffekup over 5 years ago
Let’s face it, the ‘pubs are just being ingenuous when they claim they just want elections to be free of fraud. Too many of the dumber ones have admitted it’s all about getting their side elected. Because they know they’ll never win in issues. Otherwise they would at least try.
Meh~tdology, fka Pepelaputr over 5 years ago
Rafael Edward “Ted” Cruz
Jesy Bertz Premium Member over 5 years ago
Interesting that the Republicans are so afraid of alleged “voter fraud” committed by Americans that they legislate statutes that make it difficult to exercise the right to vote, but downplay or deny outright evidence of Russians interfering in our elections.
gammaguy over 5 years ago
In reality, it’s not so much about individuals using different versions of their name.
More significantly (IMO), a voter can be denied the vote due to the action of someone else… e.g., a clerical worker in the voter registration system typing their name incorrectly. Whether accidental or deliberate, that is something the voter would have no control over AND be unaware of until they are not allowed to vote.
There was even a news story a few days ago that a disgruntled vote-office worker wrote things on the outsides of (hundreds? of) envelopes containing mail-in ballots, thereby invalidating them according to that state’s laws.
nmcconnell over 5 years ago
Late to the party, but I would have included Harry S Truman and Harry S. Truman