Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for January 31, 2015

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    Can't Sleep  over 9 years ago

    I don’t know what happened to Danae’s mom, but I bet she had a premonition about that kid, packed her bags, and…

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    BillWa  over 9 years ago

    I’m with Denae here. The entire premise of man made climatechange is a scam. This does not say there is not climate change, four times a year, just like clockwork, but blaming man, specifically western ccivilization is nothing but social engineering.

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    jnik23260  over 9 years ago

    Or as long as there is a church!

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    jbenzver5  over 9 years ago

    Danae is going to grow up to be Sarah Palin…to the extent that that constitutes growing up anyway.

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    Dtroutma  over 9 years ago

    “Anthropogenic Climate Change”, regionally recognized initially was the original term in the mid 1950’ s by Dasmann and others. Global warming came after laws, and use, and models, changed things on a broader scale.

    Danae would resent the science “preachy”, but we’ve seen Dadae in denial for some time, on many things.

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    cupertino jay  over 9 years ago

    i’m solid with you beau-no-boo. but the other side can’t yield an inch, being divinely inspired, ie – black as night coal funded.

    united we stand but divided — into countries — not so much. color our species doomed. no, seriously, humanity is fark’n doooomed..

    crucial allegory from centuries ago (look it up): “the tragedy of the commons.”

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    Proginoskes  over 9 years ago

    Wiley must have discovered Republicans yesterday!

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    Proginoskes  over 9 years ago

    Well, since I ate yesterday, I guess there’s no such thing as world hunger any more …

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    Argythree  over 9 years ago

    I’m not a scientist, so I can’t speak from a fact-based position about how much human activity can or can’t shift climate. But I grew up in the City of Pittsburgh when everything was coal-based. We burned it in our furnaces and particulate matter went up our chimneys and out into the air we inhaled,joining the clouds of pollution emitted by the smokestacks of the steel industry that was once the major employer. -Since Pittsburgh is surrounded by hills (some call them mountains, but they aren’t as tall as the ones further west), each time we had an inversion, there would be days when smog never let up.-Buildings were coated in soot. We hung our clothes outside to dry then (all we had was a wringer washer, no dryer), and before we brought the clothes and sheets back inside, we had to brush off all the coal dust.-There were many people whose lungs have been affected by those years. I have a cousin a few years older than I who never smoked and never lived in a home with smokers, and he is one of many Pittsburghers afflicted with what is called Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease.-Whether burning fuel and contaminating the air with particulate matter causes climate change or not, it definitely contributes to human health problems. That in itself is reason enough to rethink what we’re doing.-One more point. You don’t get to hear about this often, since China has such rigid control over what news gets out. BBC will sometimes report on issues that the US news industry overlooks. There have been many brave Chinese parents who frequently risk arrest to protest the impact of industrial pollution on the health of their infants. Since they have been restricted to a ‘one-child’ policy, watching that one child suffer increasing ill health is devastating to those families.-We need to consider the health impacts of what we put into our air.

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    jorgen Premium Member over 9 years ago

    This said: since we are between two ice ages, there is right now or will eventually be climate change – depending on whether we are recovering from the last ice age or nearing the next. We seem to be right in the middle, but of course nobody knows for sure.

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    Varnes  over 9 years ago

    I substitute teach. Yesterday’s DVD (That I got to watch 6 times..) was called How The Earth Was Made. Turns out the last ten thousand years is the longest period of time that the Earth has been this stable…And yes, we are between ice ages…What I’d like to know, is why are conservatives, like climate deniers, so quick to go to conspiracy mode? What a sad and lonely, paranoid world they must live in..Very scary….

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    Brass Orchid Premium Member over 9 years ago

    The climate has been changing for thousands of years. There has been a gradual but steady decrease of fresh water resources due to a cooling of the seas. This results in glacial recession, desert encroachment and localized warming from a reduction in the heat sink and evaporative cooling effects of fresh water resources inland._CO2 levels alter the greenhouse properties of the atmosphere. The greenhouse effect enables increased retention of infrared energy by all portions of the globe, land and sea alike._The land will continue to dry and warm until the seas become so warm from the heat they receive from the land that they yield increased vapor levels sufficient to force water vapor into the farthest and driest inland areas._It is possible to increase vapor levels for a short time by decreasing the ambient inland temperatures to create a greater energy potential difference, as seen in the Little Ice Age, but this only further diminishes the thermal potential of the seas and does not enact a full redistribution of water resources necessary to reclaim the arid lands and rebuild the glaciers._Increased CO2 levels will improve the warming of the seas with less damage to the land in the process of that warming, which is inevitable and necessary to maintaining fresh water resources._The core motivation of the MMCC purveyors is their hatred for industry, commerce and humanity in general. The actions they envision will embody their core motivation, which is their hatred, and will only harm those things they hate and provide no solution to the current climate dilemma.The tao of the action is the tao of the actor.

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    Brass Orchid Premium Member over 9 years ago

    And, just incidentally, the increased severity of storms is indicative of a decreased area of difference yielding a more dense gradient. The kinetic energy being produced is achieving a lesser state of vapor dispersion before being triggered to precipitation. This means that the atmosphere is too cold and thin to carry vapor a sufficient distance to create precipitation farther inland. If warming were a problem, we would see cyclones in Ontario and Manitoba in June and July, not in Louisiana and Mississippi, and the vapor plume from annual tropical warming would reach farther inland and not return to its source seas in massive cyclonic events as soon as the autumnal cooling begins to touch upon it.

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    Reppr Premium Member over 9 years ago

    If the observable results don’t match the theory, just call the theory “settled science” and demonize anybody who notices this inconvenient truth.

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    Hardthought  over 9 years ago

    I live in Northeastern Kansas, in a beautiful area called “The Glacial Hills”, an area of large, rolling hills along the West Bank of the Missouri River. These hills were deposited by the glacier that carved the Missouri River valley..

    Where’s my glacier? It melted 10,000 years ago. Why? Because climates change.

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    starcandles Premium Member over 9 years ago

    Climate change is the nature of climate. it always changes. Anybody who thinks that puny man can affect climate is nuts. Earth used to be much warmer. when I graduated high school in 1974, the cover of Time Magazine was showing the impending “ice-age” that man had allegedly caused. What a crock! This global cooling, global warming, climate change stuff ( notice how the left changes the terminology as their theories are changed to suit their desired outcomes) is nothing but a money-grab ( can we say Al Gore in his mansion that has a huuuuuuge carbon footprint, while he scams millions in grants & loans from taxpayers & companies! ). People recognize it for what it is, which is why government has a difficult time shoving their man-made global warming we need to take your money for the good of the planet scam down our throats.

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    Carl  Premium Member over 9 years ago

    I survived the “mini-ice age” of the 70’s, the global warming of the aughts, can I survive the climate change of the teens?

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    ladykat  over 9 years ago

    OK, all the above pundits – all I know for sure is that it’s bloody cold here in Barrie today

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    ladamson1918  over 9 years ago

    2014 — hottest year since records have been kept

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    tripwire45  over 9 years ago

    So we’re just turning Danae into a caricature of everything Wiley’s against?

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    fredcalvin  over 9 years ago

    I now perceive Wiley Miller as another of the liberrral (brrr) progressive propagandists as he presents Danae as the anti-knowledge one and confirmed by her father and sister. This cartoon is helping to ‘pro-propagandize’, the most wicked form of anti-knowledge.

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    dabugger  over 9 years ago

    Internet? Na, two bright kids who are so much different. Kate and Danae. What more could their dad want than variety. At least Lucy has it together….

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    Can't Sleep  over 9 years ago

    Somebody call Sarah Palin – I’ve just found her running mate!

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    JoeRaisin  over 9 years ago

    After the example we just saw of “scientists” ability to predict the weather just 24 hours out, how can they claim to know what’s going to happen years or decades away – they haven’t gotten it right yet. Every time they claim to have identified a trend mother nature flips it up on them.

    As some funnyman pointed out: I’ve been timing sunrise and sunset for the last month – if this trend continues, by this time next year there will be NO nighttime whatsoever!

    New York, last week was a perfect example of silly over reactions to mistaken predictions. Having lived in northern climates most of my life, no one ever benefits from shutting things down before the first flake has fallen – we know a storm might be coming and smart northerners know how to prepare, then go about their business because they know sometimes it just doesn’t happen. Once it starts, smart folks head indoors. Or start up the snowmobile….

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    karanne  over 9 years ago

    When she joins the GOP…

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    puddlesplatt  over 9 years ago

    Golly! what can I add, anyone want B. S…

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    pkukulski  over 9 years ago

    The correct term is “global warming”. The only problem with this name is that most people think so infrequently that they don’t comprehend the meaning of “on average.”

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    Charlie Fogwhistle  over 9 years ago

    The one thing that is constant is change. That pertains to weather as well a young girl’s heart.

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    Gokie5  over 9 years ago

    I read an interesting couple of book reviews in the New York Times Book Review of the two volumes of The Norton Anthology of World Religions : http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/books/review/the-norton-anthology-of-world-religions-volume-i.html?r=0andhttp://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/books/review/the-norton-anthology-of-world-religions-volume-ii.htmlIn the second volume we learn that the three religions that arose from the Middle East, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, originally regarded their sacred texts as jumping-off points subject to debate and open to change as new facts became available. The second review hints at how much more peaceable things would be if so many adherents to these faiths were not imprisoned by their beliefs in the infallibility of scriptures and by their willingness to resort to all manners of self delusion and cruelty to maintain their beliefs.

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    puddleglum1066  over 9 years ago

    NASA created a map based on satellite data, showing 2014’s temperature deviation from historic norms for the entire planet. Nearly all of the world was shaded red, indicating temperatures 1-2 degrees C warmer. There were three significant cooler areas, quite small by comparison to the warm areas, but significant in at least one case. The three areas were: a patch of the north Atlantic, much of Antarctica, and… the eastern part of North America, including the Texas oil patch, the Deep South, and Versailles-on-the-Potomac, also known as Washington. This, at least, provides some explanation for why there are so many science-deniers inside the Beltway: it’s not warming up where they are; therefore it must not be warming up anywhere else, either…

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    JohnHarry Premium Member over 9 years ago

    Oh Charlie 555 – nice piece of specious logic.

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    sukiec  over 9 years ago

    Ah, so much people could learn, if they would bother. The biggest problem is that people have some blanket preconceptions that do not take into account air and water currents, and have forgotten that heat is energy.There is a very good reason why the GLOBAL highs havevalmost all been since year 2000, amd it does mot matter if a person calls it Global Warming or Climate Change. The reason the second term was introduced was because people people incorrectly thought that the use of the word “global” meant everywhere when it actually means as an average for the planet. Take a look at those sets of figures. Why is not every place warmer, or every place always warmer? Changes in large air and water currents do that. Changing the temps shifts them. In the models some places get cooler, more get warmer, some get wetter, others drier due to shifts.Now, remember from Junior High/Middle School that heat is energy. Even if you are not in any of the places currently being most altered by warming like the extreme north and south you still are being affected by this factor. What happens when you warm the atmosphere and the ocean? You wind up with more evaporation and more energy. Those fuel storms. They fuel more, more frequent, and worse storms in the areas being delivered those storms by the current wind and ocean currents. How much energy are we talking about? You know how much more even shifting your thermostat one degree costs you, right? Imagine then how much energy it takes to shift the average for a planet up.Much of what it takes to understand this shift you will have learned in Junior High or in Middle School if your school was even fair to middlin’, but for some of the secondary factors you need your High School chemistry. The loss of permafrost in tundra regions is enhancing the escape of some even worse greenhouse gases created by slow rot taking place under there. That will also help you better understand effects of gas loss involved in fracking and transportation of natural gas. I will stop now, because since the people who understand this the least tend to not have learned their science foundation lessons from Junior High, i kind of doubt they took any science in High School.

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    tired-one  over 9 years ago

    Skipping most of the comments to say:Global warming has gone south for the winter. ;pGlobal warming is climate not weather.Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.As for humans can’t effect the climate. Ha. One man with a match can turn a rainforest into a desert.

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    RVMS  over 9 years ago

    This is shocking mis-education…99% of climate scientists support the science behind climate change…to deny it is being a flat earther and an ignoramus!

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    whiteaj  over 9 years ago

    Anti-knowledge? In this case it’s anti-fiction.

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    sukiec  over 9 years ago

    Personally, i think terrible education levels in science and math are doing a lot of harm

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/theres-big-rift-between-americans-and-scientists-180954098/

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    Mokurai  over 9 years ago

    The deniers cannot allow themselves to imagine that warming oceans in the tropics means more evaporation all year round, and it has to come down somewhere, whether as rain or snow or hail or sleet. So, yes, more snow in winter means Global Warming is real. See also the XKCD strip Cold at http://xkcd.com/1321/

    Climate Change is not the correct term. That’s what Frank Luntz told Republicans to call Global Warming.

    I’m a Buddhist priest. Preaching about reality is part of what I do.

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    Darque Hellmutt  over 9 years ago

    I find it humorous that it was all Global Warming (ice caps melting! oceans rising! dust bowls and droughts!) until reality belied the pseudo-science behind it. <can you say “falsified data”? I knew ya could!> So now they have a new name for it . “Climate Change”. Well, I prefer the OLD name for “Climate Change” – specifically, cyclical seasonal change. And, of course, all the Global Warming/Climate Change hysteria came 30 years after the learned scientists of weather prognostication were doing their best Chicken Little impression while warning of a new Ice Age that was just around the corner.

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    Ctbballfan  over 9 years ago

    How long is this anti-knowledge trend going to last? As long as there is Fox News.

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    JRemakel1  over 9 years ago

    Global Climate Change killed the Dinosaurs. And yes MSNBC killed the Liberals/Progressives; just ask Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson. Clever as a Fox!

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    Brass Orchid Premium Member over 9 years ago

    Heating the planet, specifically the seas, would result in a return of the glaciers and an end to deserts. In the present day, it is plentifully cold to create glaciers, lacking only the energy to move water to the places where glaciers would form. Not only is heat energy, but so is fresh water. Any water above sea level contains kinetic potential that is derived from heat energy applied to the seas. As you can see, that energy was depleted, so the glaciers receded. And now the stored energy is running out as well.I would guess that we will see a return of the Aquarian conveyor within the next 2,000 years, and probably a new ice age in 10,000 to 12,000 years.Feel free to mock now, I will take my “I Told You So” to go. Thank you.

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    1148559  over 9 years ago

    We were told when the alarm first changed from “a new ice age” to “global warming” that the seas would rise catastrophically by the year 2010. We were told that by 2010, many coastal cities (such as L.A.) would be washed away. This has not happened.While it is most definitely a good thing to reduce/end pollution, there is good evidence that the current warming trend in our ever changing climate is due to activity on the sun rather than to anything done by humans.I would be less skeptical of the claims of human caused climate change, if such individuals as Al Gore were living the way they tell the rest of us to live. If they are going to talk the talk, then they should walk the walk.

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    wherehaveallthetalentedartistsgone  over 9 years ago

    Read an interesting article that said the worldwide removal of trees (natural air conditioners) and increase in man-made structures (heat retainers, ala warmer in cities) has more to do than gases. Satellite studies show little actual change.

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    K M  over 9 years ago

    It’s only “climate change” because you got shown up on global warming; the increasing severity of storms worldwide is, like most global warming data, made up: Storms are no more severe, and no more frequent, than they’ve ever been.

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    CyberSpaceDrifter  over 9 years ago

    Today, in the northeastern US, right now, it is well under 32 F and it is dark and, for the most part a calm evening. Without all the baseload generating plants burning coal or splitting atoms and creating electric energy, the majority of us would be sitting in the dark, without TV, video games, etc. and be slowly freezing to death. So you all can have your intellectual discussions about green power, like solar and wind, and global climate change, but remember if you are doing that right now in the northeast and you are warm and have electric for light and have some light Jazz on in the background, thank Coal and the Atom …

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    loner34  over 9 years ago

    That internet thingy goes both ways.

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    Zero-Gabriel  over 9 years ago

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    Zero-Gabriel  over 9 years ago

    But Wait, There’s more!!

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    Zero-Gabriel  over 9 years ago

    Sure, it’s Snowing OVER WHERE YOU ARE but have you seen the Sweat Stains and taken in the Unique Aromas emitting from those pits…?!

    If I want to see or experience Snow, I have to pay ENTRANCE FEE…

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    reynard61  over 9 years ago

    “How long is this anti-Knowledge trend going to last?”

    As long as there are people, corporations and organizations who will pay for it (like the Petroleum industry and it’s Executives and stockholders, and those nations under it’s sway), are willing to get paid to legislate for it (the Teapublican Party and it’s associated PACs and politicians), are willing to perpetuate it (FauxNoise and their ilk in other media), and are willing to swallow whatever they’re told to without logical or rational thought or regard for actual facts. (You know who you are…)

    tl;dr: It’s gonna be around for as long as the money, oil and stupidity last.

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    Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 9 years ago

    Me thinks Wiley is trying to point out that his argument for the vegan diet is just as scientific as global warming. I doubt there is as much consensus by dietitians for the benefits of a vegan diet as there are scientists who point out anthropomorphic climate change.

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    Spade Jr.  over 9 years ago

    About global warmer and forecasters:

    Front page news 1970 about the likelihood of major worldwise freezing within 30 years.

    Front page news 2015 about the 2-3 feet of snow in New York city that was 2-3 inches in many locales there.

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    lbatik  about 9 years ago

    Sounds to me as if you are speaking of the anti-vaccination “doctors.”

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    R0Randy  about 9 years ago

    The reason that more and more people accept global warming—oops, man-made climate change has nothing to do with their increasing acceptance of science. Instead, it’s because they are tired of being shamed by an increasing majority of people who believe in global warming—oops, man-made climate change. It’s like one of those perpetual motion machines, that was supposed to work based on what a person thought should work. With public opinion, it really does work! :)

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    R0Randy  about 9 years ago

    No matter what happens on a particular day, calm weather or stormy,. cold or hot, it is all proof of climate change. That’s a good gig if you can get it.

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    haruspexPF  about 9 years ago

    Great cartoon as always, but a small misunderstanding.It’s Global Warming (in the sense that the average temperature of the biosphere is increasing over decades) AND it’s Climate Change (the consequences of GW for the patterns of weather we can expect around the world). They are not alternative names for the same thing; they refer to different points along a causal chain.

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