Hey, Al, you might want to have someone explain the phrase “terms of service” to you. It’s not totalitarian to prevent your platform from being used to spread disinformation or incite violence.
I believe that 1984 depicted State control of media and it’s use in controlling the message people received. That sounds a lot more like the cooperation between FoxNews and Trump over the last 6 years as they crafted their fake image of Trump as a responsible human being capable of being POTUS.
It’s a HUGE leap to say a publicly traded company providing a platform for free and open speech being. I expect ANYONE (person or company) to do what they can to combat lies, conspiracy and deep state bullshit, and anything that looks like promoting violence/crime/insurrection. That’s called being responsible. Hate never deserves a platform.
These businesses know that should they face suit and prosecution for aiding and abetting den lieben Fuehrer, the reactionaries won’t complain. I’ve even read some Drumpfsters won’t use the two services, in which they cannot see the hypocrisy.
In case you forgot: CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This guy is an idiot. It’s one thing to be wrong, that happens to everyone, but the constant stream of idiocy from these right-wing cartoonists is really remarkable. They must have seminars in how to think illogically.
You Schmucks are quite capable of buying a printing press and that would be freedom of the press. It is not your First amendment right to tell the owners of other newspapers what must go in their paper.
Just like privately owned internet providers.
So go ahead and call for their Collectivization. You Socialists
Twitter, Facebook, GoComics are private businesses. Part of that business involves posting comments on the site. The sites have these things called “Term of Service” detailing acceptable behaviour on the site, in particular how one can comment, tone of acceptable comments and what you can and cannot say, even down to words one can use. If one breaks these TOS then one is subject to various levels of sanction by the site owner. These range from a 24 hour time out to complete and total banning and levels in between. I have seen it here and on other sites. I came close on some other site but it was not serious. (the comment was deleted). No one is saying tiny and his followers have to change their thinking or posting, they just can’t do that on their sites any more. Why do the Rs hate free market capitalism?
If a bigoted patisserie in Colorado doesn’t have to “endorse” same sex marriages on his cakes, we don’t have to host your shithead friends while they plot insurrection on our private platform.
Maybe it’s true in Al’s universe, but in the real world private companies are free, and encouraged, to deny access to terrorist organizations and those that plot the overthrow of the government. Goodwyn’s Law™. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s
Goodwyn, like most Trumpers, deplores “censorship” if it is applied to his kind… but has no problem with censorship applied to his opponents. Trump threatened to censor news media that he didn’t like, and get the FCC to pull their licenses, and even got a buddy to force newscasters off Fox News who dared to criticize him – but we never heard Goodwyn or the Trumpers complain about any of that… The 1st Amendment forbids government officials from doing those kinds of things, but it doesn’t forbid private citizens from doing it – again, Goodwyn and the Trumpers want laws interpreted only in ways that benefit themselves.
Over-stepping again Al? ToS ain’t Big Brother! Big Brother is when they watch you all the time so they know which ads to put on your feed. Like all Republicans, you seem to have mastered ‘Doublespeak’. Trust me, white ain’t black. No matter what you would have us believe.
What 1984 calls doublethink and doublespeak is the right wing’s willful turning a deaf ear and blind eye to the objective facts to maintain their paranoid world view.
They want the bakery to be able to refuse service to a gay couple but get pissed off when an independently owned media company has finally had enough. By next Thursday orange man will be a regular on fox, OAN and newsmax with no opposing opinion
If Facebook and Twitter claim that the posts from Trumpers violate their religious beliefs, is that OK according to the the evangelical Trumpers? The posts are being flagged or removed for blatant lies and the promotion of violence.
You are free to publish anything you like, but others are not required to host your words for free. Inciting an insurrection is actually not protected speech (compare the classic example of shouting “fire” in a crowded theater), and even if it were, social media organizations are allowed to limit the types of speech they will host. They can be sued for discriminating against protected classes of people (i.e. discrimination by age, sex, or religion), but they can limit the types of speech they wish to permit.
Ironically, had Trump gotten his way about removing the protections they currently enjoy, they’d be even less incentivized to carry inflammatory speech, because they could be held legally accountable for it. As it is, they’ve been extraordinarily permissive of this speech, banking on being able to argue in court that they aren’t accountable for what their users post.
quixotic3 over 3 years ago
Hey, Al, you might want to have someone explain the phrase “terms of service” to you. It’s not totalitarian to prevent your platform from being used to spread disinformation or incite violence.
Daeder over 3 years ago
Aw! Poor Al is all butthurt because the seditionist in chief had to face consequences for inciting his failed coup!
Newsflash, Al: Social media is not there to make it more convenient to plan and carry out an unlawful take-over of the US government!!!!
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
Goodwyn really takes that IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH stuff to heart.
Especially the part about continually LYING.
he also believes that Emanuel Goldstein is the leader Antifa, and he can send you screen shots.
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#TraitorTrump
dmsmithbsp over 3 years ago
Communist and Socialist Republicans want to dictate to free enterprise businesses that business must follow their 5 year plan.
hermit48 over 3 years ago
The right used to defend the rights of businesses to discriminate.
baroden Premium Member over 3 years ago
I believe that 1984 depicted State control of media and it’s use in controlling the message people received. That sounds a lot more like the cooperation between FoxNews and Trump over the last 6 years as they crafted their fake image of Trump as a responsible human being capable of being POTUS.
It’s a HUGE leap to say a publicly traded company providing a platform for free and open speech being. I expect ANYONE (person or company) to do what they can to combat lies, conspiracy and deep state bullshit, and anything that looks like promoting violence/crime/insurrection. That’s called being responsible. Hate never deserves a platform.
You might want to read that book, dude.
scote1379 Premium Member over 3 years ago
When did Facebook, Twitter, etc .become a public service ?
Ontman over 3 years ago
If Al Goodwyn can’t say anything nice about anyone he wouldn’t be Al Goodwyn.
Ignatz Premium Member over 3 years ago
So it’s like 1984 when the Government CAN’T force media to spread Government propaganda?
Never read the book, did you?
VegaAlopex over 3 years ago
These businesses know that should they face suit and prosecution for aiding and abetting den lieben Fuehrer, the reactionaries won’t complain. I’ve even read some Drumpfsters won’t use the two services, in which they cannot see the hypocrisy.
piper_gilbert over 3 years ago
You have a right to free speech. You don’t have a right to the internet.
fusilier over 3 years ago
The “baker who won’t bake a wedding cake for a gay couple” is the wrong analogy.
A better one is "the bartender who tosses a belligerent drunk out the door. "
fusilier
James 2:24
Denver Reader Premium Member over 3 years ago
Everyone here will probably be reversing their tune when liberal leaders get cutoff.
Havel over 3 years ago
In case you forgot: CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
librarylady59 over 3 years ago
The truth is private businesses can indeed choose their policies, break ‘em you’re out. Airlines can have a no-fly list.
Alphadog over 3 years ago
Totalitarian’s just doing what they always do. Revenge and retribution, censoring speech and thought. I see AOC wants to Pravadize the news.
lonecat over 3 years ago
This guy is an idiot. It’s one thing to be wrong, that happens to everyone, but the constant stream of idiocy from these right-wing cartoonists is really remarkable. They must have seminars in how to think illogically.
ChristopherBurns over 3 years ago
This is so 1984 it’s ironic.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Those who say what happened to seditious criminal Trump was ‘Orwellian’,
have obviously never actually read Orwell.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
The lying racist Trump types of dictators was what Orwell was warning about.
You’ve seen the destruction of the Capitol building by these hypnotized right wing morons. Trump should be in prison now.
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 3 years ago
Not worth a comment!
mikemck over 3 years ago
After four painful years of the most Orwellian administration ever you have the nerve to judge those who finally push back?
Frankfreak over 3 years ago
They use 1984 because they know it was describing bad things but they have never read it to understand it.
jhayesd31 over 3 years ago
Treason is illegal. Planning and supporting Treason is NOT free Speech.
It’s not complicated.
Diamond Lil over 3 years ago
Al, were you there at the Capital on Jan 6th? I think I saw you leading the way and smashing a window or two.
thelordthygod666 over 3 years ago
It’s apparent poor Al has never actually read 1984.
pc368dude over 3 years ago
Hardly, Al. Newspeak is calling a legitimate election ‘stolen’.
Madzdad the bard over 3 years ago
Goodwin, like so many alt-right-wingers, you might actually want to read Orwell. Though reading is not the typical RWNJs forte.
critter19 over 3 years ago
Al,your waffling is great entertainment
jhayesd31 over 3 years ago
You Schmucks are quite capable of buying a printing press and that would be freedom of the press. It is not your First amendment right to tell the owners of other newspapers what must go in their paper.
Just like privately owned internet providers.
So go ahead and call for their Collectivization. You Socialists
jhayesd31 over 3 years ago
Her is the more apt 1984 quote:
In a time of universal deceit Telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Teto85 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Twitter, Facebook, GoComics are private businesses. Part of that business involves posting comments on the site. The sites have these things called “Term of Service” detailing acceptable behaviour on the site, in particular how one can comment, tone of acceptable comments and what you can and cannot say, even down to words one can use. If one breaks these TOS then one is subject to various levels of sanction by the site owner. These range from a 24 hour time out to complete and total banning and levels in between. I have seen it here and on other sites. I came close on some other site but it was not serious. (the comment was deleted). No one is saying tiny and his followers have to change their thinking or posting, they just can’t do that on their sites any more. Why do the Rs hate free market capitalism?
garcalej over 3 years ago
If a bigoted patisserie in Colorado doesn’t have to “endorse” same sex marriages on his cakes, we don’t have to host your shithead friends while they plot insurrection on our private platform.
Our roof, our rules. Enjoy your cake, assholes.
jack666 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Why has no one here tried to explain “Freedom of Speech” to Goodwyn?
Oh. Never mind.
Patjade over 3 years ago
Maybe it’s true in Al’s universe, but in the real world private companies are free, and encouraged, to deny access to terrorist organizations and those that plot the overthrow of the government. Goodwyn’s Law™. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s
ferddo over 3 years ago
Goodwyn, like most Trumpers, deplores “censorship” if it is applied to his kind… but has no problem with censorship applied to his opponents. Trump threatened to censor news media that he didn’t like, and get the FCC to pull their licenses, and even got a buddy to force newscasters off Fox News who dared to criticize him – but we never heard Goodwyn or the Trumpers complain about any of that… The 1st Amendment forbids government officials from doing those kinds of things, but it doesn’t forbid private citizens from doing it – again, Goodwyn and the Trumpers want laws interpreted only in ways that benefit themselves.
grumpypophobart over 3 years ago
Over-stepping again Al? ToS ain’t Big Brother! Big Brother is when they watch you all the time so they know which ads to put on your feed. Like all Republicans, you seem to have mastered ‘Doublespeak’. Trust me, white ain’t black. No matter what you would have us believe.
syzygy47 over 3 years ago
What 1984 calls doublethink and doublespeak is the right wing’s willful turning a deaf ear and blind eye to the objective facts to maintain their paranoid world view.
Retired engineer over 3 years ago
I’ll have to reread 1984. I didn’t realize it was about businesses taking over. I thought it was about the government taking over.
tomtommactom over 3 years ago
They want the bakery to be able to refuse service to a gay couple but get pissed off when an independently owned media company has finally had enough. By next Thursday orange man will be a regular on fox, OAN and newsmax with no opposing opinion
Nantucket Premium Member over 3 years ago
If Facebook and Twitter claim that the posts from Trumpers violate their religious beliefs, is that OK according to the the evangelical Trumpers? The posts are being flagged or removed for blatant lies and the promotion of violence.
calliarcale over 3 years ago
You are free to publish anything you like, but others are not required to host your words for free. Inciting an insurrection is actually not protected speech (compare the classic example of shouting “fire” in a crowded theater), and even if it were, social media organizations are allowed to limit the types of speech they will host. They can be sued for discriminating against protected classes of people (i.e. discrimination by age, sex, or religion), but they can limit the types of speech they wish to permit.
Ironically, had Trump gotten his way about removing the protections they currently enjoy, they’d be even less incentivized to carry inflammatory speech, because they could be held legally accountable for it. As it is, they’ve been extraordinarily permissive of this speech, banking on being able to argue in court that they aren’t accountable for what their users post.