Is Steve Kelley really that uneducated about how impeachment works, or is he just playing to the conservative base?
There are good reasons to impeach (and by the way, Nancy Pelosi did her part while Trump is still in office, so even the premise is flawed), even if the conviction can’t be completed until after Trump is out of office.
There are still important objectives that can be accomplished by impeaching and convicting:
• Terminate Trump’s lifetime pension (which he is gonna need as all his debts get called and no more sugar daddies to bail him out — Daddy is gone, Vladdy Putin has no more use for his washed-up puppet, and Deutsche Bank has turned off the spigot)
• MOST IMPORTANT: conviction on the impeachment can optionally include a secondary finding that the person convicted can be barred from ever holding any office or position of public trust ever again. This would protect the American people from ever again being subjected to the menace of a Donald Trump future presidency.
Yeah. Totally sense free. IF you buy the “remove from office” as the reason. If, on the other hand, you want to make it impossible for him to run again in 2024…
And prevented from ever running for office again. But I am glad for the impeachment. The fact that he isn’t removed from office immediately is all on the Republicans. Pence could have invoked the 25th — and it would have been the right call. McConnell could have called the Senate back. And he should have. But only the Democrats care one whit about the welfare of this nation. At the very least, this impeachment is keeping the Orange Malignancy occupied, which may keep him out of more mischief. Though, I have no doubt he will find other ways to harm the country. That’s what he’s been all about this whole time.
Steve, are you really that uninformed? The House impeached him the Senate (Mitch) is doing to foot dragging. However, it really doesn’t matter when he’s convicted, as long as that’s the outcome and the the Senate votes to bar him from ever seeking public office again.
I dislike the current Republican concept of justice only being a worthwhile pursuit if used against liberals or minorities. Otherwise if you can’t convict in the time it takes type a tweet, it’s not worth the trouble, especially if the defendant is wealthy.
Nice try Steve, but no. The impeachment of this fool will deny him his retirement, His protection, and all the other perks granted to a former president. The impeachment can also bar him from ever holding office in this country again.
Mr. Kelley’s frequent use of the straw man fallacy to ridicule Democrats is obnoxious, but I suspect the only reader he needs to please is John Robinson Block. It would be interesting to know what affect these cartoons have had on subscribership to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and The Blade.
Wow, Kelley, get an education. Just because you’re leaving a job doesn’t mean you can’t be prosecuted for the crimes committed while doing that job. If a bank manager resigns or retires, it doesn’t mean he can’t be prosecuted for embezzlement to punish him for that crime and to ensure he can never get a job at another bank again and lose his pension.
I guess sometimes you need simple examples for simple minds.
In fact, even Military Retirees CAN be Court-Martialed for crimes committed before or after they retired. In those cases, they can be confined, have their discharges changed to Bad Conduct, and lose all retirement privileges and pay.
So there is precedence (Thanks DDWiz) Trump can be impeached if he commits a crime after he leaves office as well as for any committed before he left office. It will impact any pensions and protections he receives when he leaves.
Sure, Trump should get away with inciting riots that get people killed – just because he is leaving office soon and just because he is The Donald… getting away with crap without consequences has created Donald J. Trump, and allowing him to continue to get away with it will only embolden more like him…
Impeached again and he will be “acquitted” again. The Dems know the Senate will not convict. He will be able to run again. He will be entitled to paid staff and Secret Service protection. Pelosi and Schumer know this is a futile exercise, so why do it? Several reasons.
The proceedings in the House and Senate will be mined for sound bytes and video clips to use in 2022 election cycle.
They believe that forcing GOP Members and Senators to vote yea or nay is going to cripple the party in future elections.
They hope to provide fodder for the MSM to use to distract as the declassified data dump is hitting the street.
And of course, there is a component of pure spite and spleen. The Dems suspended the long standing House Rules of Decorum in order to allow Members to engage in personal attacks that would otherwise be subject to censure. Members were allowed to use insults that meet the SCOTUS definition of “fighting words”.
The rules below in similar form date back to 1801 when the Senate adopted Jefferson’s Manual. The House incorporated the Manual in 1837.
“Criticisms of the President’s official policy actions and opinions are permitted.Members may question the President’s political motivation, but anyquestioning of the President’s personal motivation is out of order.”
“Members may not engage in personal abuse, innuendo, or ridicule of thePresident. It is out of order to question the President’s personal conduct,“whether by actual accusation or by mere insinuation.” References to thePresident that have been ruled unparliamentary include calling the President a“liar,” attributing “hypocrisy” to him, accusing him of “demagoguery,” andalluding to alleged personal misconduct or a “propensity for unethicalbehavior” on the President’s part.”
Skip to page 32 to begin the list of MILD examples rule unacceptable during the 1990’s. As far as I can determine, these rules have NEVER before been suspended. Not even during Impeachment proceedings. This unheard of decision is an abomination. It is a violation of principles held dear by this nation for more than 200 years. It says far more about the Democratic elected officials than their insults and accusations will ever mean.
Congress really has no other means by which it can punish Trump. And make no mistake, what he has done needs a consequence. He spent four years in office believing he was a law unto himself. Do you want that to be his legacy? Proving that he was right? That Presidents are essentially emperors? Is that would the Founding Fathers would have wanted?
Trump is a man who has never received a real consequence in his life, and it’s about time he did. Seriously, if an attempted coup isn’t enough reason for him to face SOME repercussions, what the hell is? Plus, impeachment and conviction could save the Republican party. I’m not joking. Right now, Trump is positioning himself to continue driving the path of the party, and that’s likely to split the party down the middle. If he’s impeached and convicted, he will not be able to run in 2024, and perhaps the party will have a chance to save itself.
If the Senate doesn’t actually convict him (i.e. remove him from office) before noon on Wednesday the 20th, he loses NOTHING! But think about it, what does a billionaire care about the paltry amounts former presidents get? And no matter what, by law, he keeps Secret Service protection. It’s doubtful they will convicted him anyway. It takes 60 Senators to convict him and as the Senate is evenly divided, I don’t think 10 Republicans will stick their necks out. BUT then again, there is enough of them that they may just get the votes. But the Chief Justice, who is presiding over the trial may declare the whole thing as Trump is out of office and no longer can be removed.
Mr. Kelley seems to be trying to exist in the neutral zone for a reason. Some people don’t believe that a cynical premise often is able to draw the evidence of wickedness within a person. Now that I recalled the deeds of Cavin Hall from Pittsburgh, I’ll consider the path of the tiger that has 2 eyes. When you place a position publicly, it is amazing who decides to defend the target or an unjustified opinion.
DD Wiz Premium Member over 3 years ago
Is Steve Kelley really that uneducated about how impeachment works, or is he just playing to the conservative base?
There are good reasons to impeach (and by the way, Nancy Pelosi did her part while Trump is still in office, so even the premise is flawed), even if the conviction can’t be completed until after Trump is out of office.
There are still important objectives that can be accomplished by impeaching and convicting:
• Terminate Trump’s lifetime pension (which he is gonna need as all his debts get called and no more sugar daddies to bail him out — Daddy is gone, Vladdy Putin has no more use for his washed-up puppet, and Deutsche Bank has turned off the spigot)
• Terminate Trump’s lifetime travel expense account
• MOST IMPORTANT: conviction on the impeachment can optionally include a secondary finding that the person convicted can be barred from ever holding any office or position of public trust ever again. This would protect the American people from ever again being subjected to the menace of a Donald Trump future presidency.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 3 years ago
Is Skelly trying to make a point here. The Rump shouldn’t be in power one minute longer.
Daeder over 3 years ago
It’s McConnel who is waiting until after.
Concretionist over 3 years ago
Yeah. Totally sense free. IF you buy the “remove from office” as the reason. If, on the other hand, you want to make it impossible for him to run again in 2024…
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
Once again: A Trump Disciple is incapable of producing a cartoon that is not a LIE.
ruif.info.excluido over 3 years ago
Mr Trump must be impeached and barred from running again.
That is very rational.Political cartoons like this, on the contrary, are simply dumb.
cdward over 3 years ago
And prevented from ever running for office again. But I am glad for the impeachment. The fact that he isn’t removed from office immediately is all on the Republicans. Pence could have invoked the 25th — and it would have been the right call. McConnell could have called the Senate back. And he should have. But only the Democrats care one whit about the welfare of this nation. At the very least, this impeachment is keeping the Orange Malignancy occupied, which may keep him out of more mischief. Though, I have no doubt he will find other ways to harm the country. That’s what he’s been all about this whole time.
BubbleTape Premium Member over 3 years ago
So much for accountability and consequences, right, steve.
Ontman over 3 years ago
For the sake of the country….not Nancy.
Durak Premium Member over 3 years ago
A deliberate misrepresentation of reality.
suzalee over 3 years ago
He needs to be held accountable. He could be impeached before leaving office if McConnell wasn’t blocking impeachment.
piper_gilbert over 3 years ago
Being a short timer gives you immunity from consequences? Good to know if I worked in a bank.
robcarroll1213 over 3 years ago
“Hi! I’m Steve Kelley and I skipped Political Science class in high school!”
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 3 years ago
All crimes need justice.. lest they be repeated again. trump is acting like some major mafia boss.. and everyone is afraid to take him on.
rmfrye Premium Member over 3 years ago
Steve, are you really that uninformed? The House impeached him the Senate (Mitch) is doing to foot dragging. However, it really doesn’t matter when he’s convicted, as long as that’s the outcome and the the Senate votes to bar him from ever seeking public office again.
Kilrwat Premium Member over 3 years ago
Republicans want accountability for everyone but themselves.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Pelosi impeached Trump last week. Moscow Mitch refuses to try Trump until he is out of office.
Why do lying right wing cartoonists know so little about reality?
StackableContainers over 3 years ago
I dislike the current Republican concept of justice only being a worthwhile pursuit if used against liberals or minorities. Otherwise if you can’t convict in the time it takes type a tweet, it’s not worth the trouble, especially if the defendant is wealthy.
Pat Towey over 3 years ago
Nice try Steve, but no. The impeachment of this fool will deny him his retirement, His protection, and all the other perks granted to a former president. The impeachment can also bar him from ever holding office in this country again.
evanmarhews over 3 years ago
a true Trump ignoramus !,!
pteitlebaum over 3 years ago
Mr. Kelley’s frequent use of the straw man fallacy to ridicule Democrats is obnoxious, but I suspect the only reader he needs to please is John Robinson Block. It would be interesting to know what affect these cartoons have had on subscribership to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and The Blade.
kballweg Premium Member over 3 years ago
This from a Cult of Trump propagandist, said cult still being able to chant “Lock her up.” Whenever Hillary is mentioned. Still. To this day.
walkingmancomics over 3 years ago
No, Steve, BEFORE he officially leaves office.
DrDon1 over 3 years ago
A question … Willful or malicious stupidity?
jack666 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Way to go, Kelley! This may be your best distortion of facts yet!
Another Take over 3 years ago
Is “irrational” a synonym for “crazy as a sh*t house rat”? If not, Kelley used the wrong word.
Patjade over 3 years ago
Wow, Kelley, get an education. Just because you’re leaving a job doesn’t mean you can’t be prosecuted for the crimes committed while doing that job. If a bank manager resigns or retires, it doesn’t mean he can’t be prosecuted for embezzlement to punish him for that crime and to ensure he can never get a job at another bank again and lose his pension.
I guess sometimes you need simple examples for simple minds.
In fact, even Military Retirees CAN be Court-Martialed for crimes committed before or after they retired. In those cases, they can be confined, have their discharges changed to Bad Conduct, and lose all retirement privileges and pay.
https://courtmartial.com/can-a-retired-servicemember-be-court-martialed/
https://www.navso.org/news/supreme-court-retirees-can-be-court-martialed-crimes-committed-after-service
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/01/29/military-retirees-can-be-court-martialed-after-all-appeals-court-decides.html
So there is precedence (Thanks DDWiz) Trump can be impeached if he commits a crime after he leaves office as well as for any committed before he left office. It will impact any pensions and protections he receives when he leaves.
ferddo over 3 years ago
LOL, as Colbert says Trump has managed to get himself fired while he is being fired!
ferddo over 3 years ago
Sure, Trump should get away with inciting riots that get people killed – just because he is leaving office soon and just because he is The Donald… getting away with crap without consequences has created Donald J. Trump, and allowing him to continue to get away with it will only embolden more like him…
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
SKelley believes Trump is being impeached — again — because he is irrational?
NO, SKelley, you are LYING again.
Trump has been impeached, again, this time because he inspired and incited an insurrection and aided and abetted it once it began.
.
#TraitorTrump
T Smith over 3 years ago
NO, dumbass, he must be convicted so he can be barred from ever attempting to run for office again.
Andylit Premium Member over 3 years ago
Impeached again and he will be “acquitted” again. The Dems know the Senate will not convict. He will be able to run again. He will be entitled to paid staff and Secret Service protection. Pelosi and Schumer know this is a futile exercise, so why do it? Several reasons.
The proceedings in the House and Senate will be mined for sound bytes and video clips to use in 2022 election cycle.
They believe that forcing GOP Members and Senators to vote yea or nay is going to cripple the party in future elections.
They hope to provide fodder for the MSM to use to distract as the declassified data dump is hitting the street.
And of course, there is a component of pure spite and spleen. The Dems suspended the long standing House Rules of Decorum in order to allow Members to engage in personal attacks that would otherwise be subject to censure. Members were allowed to use insults that meet the SCOTUS definition of “fighting words”.
cont.
Andylit Premium Member over 3 years ago
The rules below in similar form date back to 1801 when the Senate adopted Jefferson’s Manual. The House incorporated the Manual in 1837.
“Criticisms of the President’s official policy actions and opinions are permitted.Members may question the President’s political motivation, but anyquestioning of the President’s personal motivation is out of order.”
“Members may not engage in personal abuse, innuendo, or ridicule of thePresident. It is out of order to question the President’s personal conduct,“whether by actual accusation or by mere insinuation.” References to thePresident that have been ruled unparliamentary include calling the President a“liar,” attributing “hypocrisy” to him, accusing him of “demagoguery,” andalluding to alleged personal misconduct or a “propensity for unethicalbehavior” on the President’s part.”
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/19991026_98-572GOV_d8b7eb8f9cbf29da5e586eac4f08b24c3ab21f8d.pdf
Skip to page 32 to begin the list of MILD examples rule unacceptable during the 1990’s. As far as I can determine, these rules have NEVER before been suspended. Not even during Impeachment proceedings. This unheard of decision is an abomination. It is a violation of principles held dear by this nation for more than 200 years. It says far more about the Democratic elected officials than their insults and accusations will ever mean.
jader3rd over 3 years ago
That’s not true. Pelosi called the House back to Impeach and wants the Senate back to Convict. She’s more than happy to remove him before the 20th.
calliarcale over 3 years ago
Congress really has no other means by which it can punish Trump. And make no mistake, what he has done needs a consequence. He spent four years in office believing he was a law unto himself. Do you want that to be his legacy? Proving that he was right? That Presidents are essentially emperors? Is that would the Founding Fathers would have wanted?
Trump is a man who has never received a real consequence in his life, and it’s about time he did. Seriously, if an attempted coup isn’t enough reason for him to face SOME repercussions, what the hell is? Plus, impeachment and conviction could save the Republican party. I’m not joking. Right now, Trump is positioning himself to continue driving the path of the party, and that’s likely to split the party down the middle. If he’s impeached and convicted, he will not be able to run in 2024, and perhaps the party will have a chance to save itself.
lucky_irishman5 over 3 years ago
If the Senate doesn’t actually convict him (i.e. remove him from office) before noon on Wednesday the 20th, he loses NOTHING! But think about it, what does a billionaire care about the paltry amounts former presidents get? And no matter what, by law, he keeps Secret Service protection. It’s doubtful they will convicted him anyway. It takes 60 Senators to convict him and as the Senate is evenly divided, I don’t think 10 Republicans will stick their necks out. BUT then again, there is enough of them that they may just get the votes. But the Chief Justice, who is presiding over the trial may declare the whole thing as Trump is out of office and no longer can be removed.
6th Billiard Ball Student over 3 years ago
Mr. Kelley seems to be trying to exist in the neutral zone for a reason. Some people don’t believe that a cynical premise often is able to draw the evidence of wickedness within a person. Now that I recalled the deeds of Cavin Hall from Pittsburgh, I’ll consider the path of the tiger that has 2 eyes. When you place a position publicly, it is amazing who decides to defend the target or an unjustified opinion.