Why are you lying Michael? The bill is for protection of the mother, when the pregnancy goes wrong. Late term abortions in most cases are a necessity, not a want.
I have an idea that will stop all unwanted pregnancies. When a Male reaches puberty, the government makes him get a vasectomy. After storing samples in a sperm bank. When he is ready to be come a father, the sperm will be there for him. No more unwanted pregnancies, cuts down on overpopulation and saves resources.
When men begin to carry and deliver babies, then and only then, do they have any say in what to do with any pregnancy.Keep your bans off women’s bodies.
Mr. Ramirez wants unwanted babies to be born so the cops will have more moving targets. Then he will say that killing them is just fine. His distaste for killing children doesn’t extend past BIRTH!!
Nobody likes abortion, but illegal abortion is worse than legal abortion. Many don’t know anything about the bad and dark days of illegal abortion. It’s worse.
@TheMcHamberder UpChuck • I see the Russians have trained you well. I salute with one finger your propaganda attempts.
This topic is the right of the people of New York to govern themselves, and for these people to decide for themselves how their bodies function. For good or ill, we are a free people – despite the obstacles we have yet to overcome – and neither you or the Kremlin boys or somebody elses religion can take our freedom from us in the long run.
Pray to your master that America never does actually divide into left-right camps. It’s not nearly that simple. If it were, the right would be outnumbered 2 to 1, just like in the American Revolution and the Civil War.
I have to admit pulling an unwanted live baby out and crushing its skull to harvest parts for inventory is a lot quicker than leaving it to die on rocks like the Romans did. However It is still infanticide.
If life is so sacred, why is there not universal healthcare for the living from cradle to grave, strong regulations to assure safe food air and water for We the People, or ongoing effective efforts to stop the deleterious effects of AGW on our habitat? Do we have an environment where no child born has to ever worry about going hungry or being sick?
What if the woman is drugged and raped by a republican congressman, can she get an abortion then or will republican men force her to take it full term?
If you actually care about this issue, research it. Make sure you find an unbiased source and study it. Make decisions for yourself. Most of the stuff you see is WRONG.
This is not a the right or wrong issue you think it is. There’s much more to it than that.
What New York has done is sick and evil, and this cartoon is brilliant. It makes no sense to say that the people of New York are free to make any law. If they are free to legalize infanticide, then they are free to legalize all kinds of murder, pedophilia, rape, and just anything. I just read this on National Review Online: “Just beside Freedom Tower, two pools mark the spot of the 9/11 terrorist attack. Around each of them are inscribed the names of every person murdered that day, and beside the names of eleven of those women the carved stone says, ‘and her unborn child.’ … These are human lives.” Yet Governor Cuomo announced that the spire of Freedom Tower would be lit up in pink to celebrate the occasion of his murderous law.
@mcarmen • Your opinion of what makes sense and what does not counts for about 1/300,000,000th in America.
False equivalencies and whataboutism stand out as the bull&hit that they are now days. Finding the cost of freedom too high, are ya? You still don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives.
ps • unborn means what it says, as in before you were born… you weren’t here.
If fewer abortions is what you actually want, you should do everything you can to make sure that birth control is available, cheap, and used. And, that people are educated about it. Otherwise, you are just LYING about it.
.
BUT, if Punishing Sinners is what you really want, especially women and most especially poor women, then suppressing birth control and making all abortions illegal is exactly what you should do.
.
And, of course, be sure to LIE about how ANY abortion for ANY reason is exactly the same as killing a baby.
Not that a Trump Disciple like Ramirez would lie, of course.
Per CDC numbers from 2015, “91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.” The Late term abortions are VERY rare and done to protect life / health of mother or for fetal abnormalities. This is exactly what was put into NY law.
The law allows non-doctors to give the pills for medication abortion. Anti-choice people are trying to pass the BS that anyone will be allowed to perform a surgical abortion.
The anti-choice zealots are posting crazy lies about this law, just like they do with everything else involving abortion. One posted a picture of a healthy baby (at least a few weeks old) and the text claimed the baby was born at 12:05 but could have been “murdered” at 12:04. This is beyond ridiculous going into sick and twisted.
I am conflicted by abortion, I believe it is morally wrong at any stage. However I had to borrow $300 from a fellow church member to have my 3d child aborted. Marriage was failing anyway and we separated within a year. Cooperation saved our sons and the youngest is in IT @100K/year. P.S. I’ve been impotent ever since.
All it would take to make the law acceptable to 50+% of America is the addition of a single word.
§ 2599-BB. ABORTION. 1. A HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER LICENSED, CERTIFIED, OR AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE EIGHT OF THE EDUCATION LAW, ACTING WITHIN HIS OR HER LAWFUL SCOPE OF PRACTICE, MAY PERFORM AN ABORTION WHEN, ACCORDING TO THE PRACTITIONER’S REASONABLE AND GOOD FAITH PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT BASED ON THE FACTS OF THE PATIENT’S CASE: THE PATIENT IS WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR WEEKS FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF PREGNANCY, OR THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF FETAL VIABILITY, OR THE ABORTION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE PATIENT’S LIFE OR HEALTH.
“NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE PATIENT’S LIFE OR physical HEALTH.”
Real Joel over 5 years ago
Why would Mikey watch The Handmaid’s Tale and think it was the way things ought to be?
Kurtass Premium Member over 5 years ago
Why are you lying Michael? The bill is for protection of the mother, when the pregnancy goes wrong. Late term abortions in most cases are a necessity, not a want.
Kurtass Premium Member over 5 years ago
I have an idea that will stop all unwanted pregnancies. When a Male reaches puberty, the government makes him get a vasectomy. After storing samples in a sperm bank. When he is ready to be come a father, the sperm will be there for him. No more unwanted pregnancies, cuts down on overpopulation and saves resources.
SeanT over 5 years ago
If you want to stop abortions, fund effective sex-education in the schools and increase access to contraception.
Crabbyrino Premium Member over 5 years ago
When men begin to carry and deliver babies, then and only then, do they have any say in what to do with any pregnancy.Keep your bans off women’s bodies.
• Thomas over 5 years ago
It is a very good thing that We the People are responsible for making our own laws. If the people of New York have decided this, so be it.
Roe v. Wade firmly established the Constitutional right of Americans to the freedom of their own bodies. It has been the law for almost 50 years now.
I guess the principles of law & order can only be applied on a selective basis, depending on what your opinions are.
The world might be a better place now if Señora Ramirez had her legal rights back then.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member over 5 years ago
Mr. Ramirez wants unwanted babies to be born so the cops will have more moving targets. Then he will say that killing them is just fine. His distaste for killing children doesn’t extend past BIRTH!!
suzalee over 5 years ago
Nobody likes abortion, but illegal abortion is worse than legal abortion. Many don’t know anything about the bad and dark days of illegal abortion. It’s worse.
walfishj over 5 years ago
Ramirez: Poor little conservative.
Conservatus over 5 years ago
New Yorkers.. you get what you vote for.
• Thomas over 5 years ago
@TheMcHamberder UpChuck • I see the Russians have trained you well. I salute with one finger your propaganda attempts.
This topic is the right of the people of New York to govern themselves, and for these people to decide for themselves how their bodies function. For good or ill, we are a free people – despite the obstacles we have yet to overcome – and neither you or the Kremlin boys or somebody elses religion can take our freedom from us in the long run.
Pray to your master that America never does actually divide into left-right camps. It’s not nearly that simple. If it were, the right would be outnumbered 2 to 1, just like in the American Revolution and the Civil War.
watashi73 over 5 years ago
I have to admit pulling an unwanted live baby out and crushing its skull to harvest parts for inventory is a lot quicker than leaving it to die on rocks like the Romans did. However It is still infanticide.
Radish the wordsmith over 5 years ago
Male right wingers will never let the abortion issue go.
They use it as a club against women’s rights.
superposition over 5 years ago
If life is so sacred, why is there not universal healthcare for the living from cradle to grave, strong regulations to assure safe food air and water for We the People, or ongoing effective efforts to stop the deleterious effects of AGW on our habitat? Do we have an environment where no child born has to ever worry about going hungry or being sick?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/one-in-six-children-in-america-live-in-fear-of-hunger-2018-12-05
http://fortune.com/2018/11/29/us-uninsured-rate-children-increase/
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180830143138.htm
phredturner over 5 years ago
The Christian Taliban loves fetuses until they’re born. Then not so much
Radish the wordsmith over 5 years ago
What if the woman is drugged and raped by a republican congressman, can she get an abortion then or will republican men force her to take it full term?
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/pennsylvania-gop-lawmaker-criminal-investigation-drugging-raping-women-capital/?fbclid=IwAR1co44d1BUGRtGLcHv1Go5tx414lI59t2172COP2ntp9FmEylwlKYwPpuo
Durak Premium Member over 5 years ago
If you actually care about this issue, research it. Make sure you find an unbiased source and study it. Make decisions for yourself. Most of the stuff you see is WRONG.
This is not a the right or wrong issue you think it is. There’s much more to it than that.
mcarmen over 5 years ago
What New York has done is sick and evil, and this cartoon is brilliant. It makes no sense to say that the people of New York are free to make any law. If they are free to legalize infanticide, then they are free to legalize all kinds of murder, pedophilia, rape, and just anything. I just read this on National Review Online: “Just beside Freedom Tower, two pools mark the spot of the 9/11 terrorist attack. Around each of them are inscribed the names of every person murdered that day, and beside the names of eleven of those women the carved stone says, ‘and her unborn child.’ … These are human lives.” Yet Governor Cuomo announced that the spire of Freedom Tower would be lit up in pink to celebrate the occasion of his murderous law.
• Thomas over 5 years ago
@mcarmen • Your opinion of what makes sense and what does not counts for about 1/300,000,000th in America.
False equivalencies and whataboutism stand out as the bull&hit that they are now days. Finding the cost of freedom too high, are ya? You still don’t get to tell other people how to live their lives.
ps • unborn means what it says, as in before you were born… you weren’t here.
braindead Premium Member over 5 years ago
One more time:
If fewer abortions is what you actually want, you should do everything you can to make sure that birth control is available, cheap, and used. And, that people are educated about it. Otherwise, you are just LYING about it.
.
BUT, if Punishing Sinners is what you really want, especially women and most especially poor women, then suppressing birth control and making all abortions illegal is exactly what you should do.
.
And, of course, be sure to LIE about how ANY abortion for ANY reason is exactly the same as killing a baby.
Not that a Trump Disciple like Ramirez would lie, of course.
Stephen Runnels Premium Member over 5 years ago
Ramirez strongly believes the church, not women, dictate who controls their body, and decides what and when life begins.
Nantucket Premium Member over 5 years ago
Per CDC numbers from 2015, “91.1% of abortions were performed at ≤13 weeks’ gestation; a smaller number of abortions (7.6%) were performed at 14–20 weeks’ gestation, and even fewer (1.3%) were performed at ≥21 weeks’ gestation.” The Late term abortions are VERY rare and done to protect life / health of mother or for fetal abnormalities. This is exactly what was put into NY law.
The law allows non-doctors to give the pills for medication abortion. Anti-choice people are trying to pass the BS that anyone will be allowed to perform a surgical abortion.
The anti-choice zealots are posting crazy lies about this law, just like they do with everything else involving abortion. One posted a picture of a healthy baby (at least a few weeks old) and the text claimed the baby was born at 12:05 but could have been “murdered” at 12:04. This is beyond ridiculous going into sick and twisted.
oldlegodad71 over 5 years ago
I am conflicted by abortion, I believe it is morally wrong at any stage. However I had to borrow $300 from a fellow church member to have my 3d child aborted. Marriage was failing anyway and we separated within a year. Cooperation saved our sons and the youngest is in IT @100K/year. P.S. I’ve been impotent ever since.
Andylit Premium Member over 5 years ago
All it would take to make the law acceptable to 50+% of America is the addition of a single word.
§ 2599-BB. ABORTION. 1. A HEALTH CARE PRACTITIONER LICENSED, CERTIFIED, OR AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE EIGHT OF THE EDUCATION LAW, ACTING WITHIN HIS OR HER LAWFUL SCOPE OF PRACTICE, MAY PERFORM AN ABORTION WHEN, ACCORDING TO THE PRACTITIONER’S REASONABLE AND GOOD FAITH PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT BASED ON THE FACTS OF THE PATIENT’S CASE: THE PATIENT IS WITHIN TWENTY-FOUR WEEKS FROM THE COMMENCEMENT OF PREGNANCY, OR THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF FETAL VIABILITY, OR THE ABORTION IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE PATIENT’S LIFE OR HEALTH.
“NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE PATIENT’S LIFE OR physical HEALTH.”
Add the word “physical”.
oldlegodad71 over 5 years ago
Admins: Am I banned for some reason? I’ve paid my dues
randolini Premium Member over 5 years ago
Yep, Mikey’s pro fetus. With our wars he defended, the millions we have killed, kinda makes his pro life argument a sham.
DebbieEdwards over 5 years ago
EXCELLENT ! This is EXACTLY what that new legislation has done …..DFEDBERG shame on you and all your friends who think Gosnell is a prince among men !