This does appear to be not just real, but really profitable for the folks buying the prisoner-handled food.
And we all know that profit is king, right?
PS: I see nothing wrong with employing prisoners which trains them in good work habits and perhaps allows them to build up a savings account or some such. But forced labor is considerably outside the pale.
Hmmm…should criminals help bear the costs of their incarceration, or should we have to pay in yet another way for their misdeeds? …gee, that’s a toughie.
The AP article noted it happens in every state. And never once mentioned it centered around former slave plantations. So why make up a reference to slave plantations? California is known for being a huge ag producer. Yet I don’t recall any slave plantations there.
People are mistaken in believing the 13th Amendment banned slavery.“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”It was common well into the 20th century especially in the South for a black man to be arrested for a minor crime such as vagrancy and when he was unable to pay the fine to be sold to a white man who paid the fine. Convicts were also often leased out to farms and mines often to break strikes.
So when some politician berates China for it’s slave labor (prisoners or detainees being forced to work), they can point to us and say, well, you do it.
Except for the disabled are the rest of us not “forced” into providing labor? And, to add insult to injury have to give kickbacks to the government by way of taxes.
Once again, old white people talking about nothing they understand. 90% of prison jobs are desired and are for trustees, 5% are states that have “hard time” prison laws and the remaining are forced labor. Be indignant about that 10%.
John Oliver provides a nice overview of a few of the issues with forced labor in private prisons. Available on YouTube (search for John Oliver private prisons). It’s not just that prisoners are paid less than a dollar an hour on average, it’s also that prisons charge an exorbitant amount to inmates and/or their families for basic services such as phone or video calls or feminine hygiene products, and will also charge up to a 40% fee on money that is transferred into a prisoner’s account.
Though at least it’s now clear how, in an era in which there is a loud hue and cry to bar or oust all brown immigrants, we’ll find workers for jobs that are so unpleasant and/or dangerous that only undocumented people had been willing to undertake them – we’ll find ways to boost the incarceration rate even higher and force those folks to risk life and limb to complete the tasks.
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Warden Samuel Norton approves of this message. (It is interesting to me that " The Shawshank Redemption", loved by Americans of all stripes, has messages that many conservatives loath.)
Progressive’s love affair with criminals really plays well in Peoria. I’m sure it doesn’t at all affect the make-up of the United States Senate, the United States ouse of Representatives, or the outcome of Electoral College votes.
The absolute least of our concerns should be the fate of felons.
Flashaaway 3 months ago
Is that those privatised prisons making even more money off the convicted? Looks like another republican scam.
Concretionist 3 months ago
This does appear to be not just real, but really profitable for the folks buying the prisoner-handled food.
And we all know that profit is king, right?
PS: I see nothing wrong with employing prisoners which trains them in good work habits and perhaps allows them to build up a savings account or some such. But forced labor is considerably outside the pale.
knutdl 3 months ago
Free-free, set them free (Sting)
comixbomix 3 months ago
Hmmm…should criminals help bear the costs of their incarceration, or should we have to pay in yet another way for their misdeeds? …gee, that’s a toughie.
braindead Premium Member 3 months ago
Why do you think Republicans want to privatize prisons?
FreyjaRN Premium Member 3 months ago
Private prisons are hellholes. Nationalizing them won’t help much, but it is better than the status quo.
phritzg Premium Member 3 months ago
Without their workforce of prison laborers, illegal aliens, and underage children, some food processing plants might have to shut down.
Yontrop 3 months ago
Not in “my” grocery store. But then I don’t live in America.
aristoclesplato9 3 months ago
The AP article noted it happens in every state. And never once mentioned it centered around former slave plantations. So why make up a reference to slave plantations? California is known for being a huge ag producer. Yet I don’t recall any slave plantations there.
eclairewl Premium Member 3 months ago
^^^For once an intelligent comment.
mourdac Premium Member 3 months ago
Can’t wait to see if Georgia will “hire out” Insurrectionist45 after he’s convicted by the state.
Gen.Flashman 3 months ago
People are mistaken in believing the 13th Amendment banned slavery.“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”It was common well into the 20th century especially in the South for a black man to be arrested for a minor crime such as vagrancy and when he was unable to pay the fine to be sold to a white man who paid the fine. Convicts were also often leased out to farms and mines often to break strikes.
Danae Premium Member 3 months ago
They should pay a fair wage and inmate would not be destitute upon release. They could also learn a trade and not go back to crime.
ChristopherBurns 3 months ago
So when some politician berates China for it’s slave labor (prisoners or detainees being forced to work), they can point to us and say, well, you do it.
rossevrymn 3 months ago
Prison reform, do we have the moral fortitude to work that matter?:
Alberta Oil Premium Member 3 months ago
Except for the disabled are the rest of us not “forced” into providing labor? And, to add insult to injury have to give kickbacks to the government by way of taxes.
socalvillaguy Premium Member 3 months ago
This isn’t a call to boycott all prisoner-manufactured food. It’s a demand that the laws be changed to stop this indecency.
RadioDial Premium Member 3 months ago
Once again, old white people talking about nothing they understand. 90% of prison jobs are desired and are for trustees, 5% are states that have “hard time” prison laws and the remaining are forced labor. Be indignant about that 10%.
gigagrouch 3 months ago
And then, there’s China’s system. Who assembled your iPad?
piper_gilbert 3 months ago
Profit incentives makes this slavery. To call this restitution for crimes committed is pure hypocrisy.
fishbulb239 3 months ago
John Oliver provides a nice overview of a few of the issues with forced labor in private prisons. Available on YouTube (search for John Oliver private prisons). It’s not just that prisoners are paid less than a dollar an hour on average, it’s also that prisons charge an exorbitant amount to inmates and/or their families for basic services such as phone or video calls or feminine hygiene products, and will also charge up to a 40% fee on money that is transferred into a prisoner’s account.
Though at least it’s now clear how, in an era in which there is a loud hue and cry to bar or oust all brown immigrants, we’ll find workers for jobs that are so unpleasant and/or dangerous that only undocumented people had been willing to undertake them – we’ll find ways to boost the incarceration rate even higher and force those folks to risk life and limb to complete the tasks.
willie_mctell 3 months ago
Look up the song “Coal Creek Rebellion” on YouTube for a little history.
artjohn42 3 months ago
Hey, they’re engaged in meaningful work and getting rehabilitated. No, I was not able to type that with a straight face.
Geezer 3 months ago
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Havel 3 months ago
Warden Samuel Norton approves of this message. (It is interesting to me that " The Shawshank Redemption", loved by Americans of all stripes, has messages that many conservatives loath.)
Scoutmaster77 3 months ago
Do you trust a prisoner not to spit in your food (or worse)?
Sir Toby 3 months ago
Progressive’s love affair with criminals really plays well in Peoria. I’m sure it doesn’t at all affect the make-up of the United States Senate, the United States ouse of Representatives, or the outcome of Electoral College votes.
The absolute least of our concerns should be the fate of felons.
AtomicForce91 Premium Member 3 months ago
Instead of just living on the tax payer dime.
MatthewJB 3 months ago
Is there a list of foods and food brands that exploit prisoners?