The Eugene city council is meeting today to discuss whether or not to place a proposed ban on new gas stoves on the ballot. One proposal is an outright ban on new installations. Another would allow installations but would require a permit fee and/or an annual tax. I think this is only for residential and not restaurants.
We have a gas range and a gas fireplace. We use a charcoal filter in the heat pump duct. We have a VOC monitor – the air inside has less VOC’s and HCOC than outside. Odds are his A$$ gives out more pollution than the stoves.
As with most things, if people are responsible about installation and use, the danger from gas stoves/water heaters/furnaces is not too great. However, responsible means having and using good ventilation, good fans, proper installation which vents outside, tight joints, etc. And unfortunately, a lot of older, less expensive homes with gas stoves, water heaters, furnaces, etc. don’t have all that. And I’m not sure all towns have building regulations that require it.
We have had health problems in this country for years — asthma, allergies, cancers, etc. — due at least in part to the stuff we spew into the air, and dump onto the land and water. The costs to individuals and to the country as a whole (medical, intellectual, economic) are huge. But we have ignored the lax way that pipeline leaks and factory exhaust is managed and waste is burned, buried or dumped, etc. because most of us don’t live downwind of such places — at least those of us who have money (and credit) don’t buy in those places. [Or we move out as soon as possible.]
I remember driving out to college in California in 1971 and coming over the hills heading towards Riverside and seeing an entirely black sky — smog — I thought we were heading into Mordor. They cleaned that up pretty well. Now, when I drive I 25 heading towards Denver I see a similar dark cloud suspended above the buildings.
“Mists curled and smoked from dark and noisome pools. The reek of them hung stifling in the still air. Far away, now almost due south, the mountain-walls of Mordor loomed, like a black bar of rugged clouds floating above a dangerous fog-bound sea.” [Tolkien, The Two Towers]
Regardless of the extreme rhetoric being tossed around, the most likely outcome will be a few regulations regarding safety features and building codes. After all, we can’t hurt gas-related businesses. They need all the help they can get in order to stay competitive. /s
The real problem with gas stoves in unventilated rooms is not methane, but carbon monoxide. If you have a gas stove, you need a CO detector. And yes, CO has killed a lot of people.
Remember, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gas stove is a good guy with a gas stove. Better yet, a good guy with two gas stoves. Coming soon: the Reich wing lunatics begin stockpiling gas stoves. /s
ShadowMaster over 1 year ago
Much ado about nothing—to quote the Bard
IT Sauzeech over 1 year ago
The Eugene city council is meeting today to discuss whether or not to place a proposed ban on new gas stoves on the ballot. One proposal is an outright ban on new installations. Another would allow installations but would require a permit fee and/or an annual tax. I think this is only for residential and not restaurants.
JohnHarry Premium Member over 1 year ago
We have a gas range and a gas fireplace. We use a charcoal filter in the heat pump duct. We have a VOC monitor – the air inside has less VOC’s and HCOC than outside. Odds are his A$$ gives out more pollution than the stoves.
Jeff1159 over 1 year ago
followed by his mouth pollution
Radish the wordsmith over 1 year ago
Keeps his guns in them.
GreenT267 over 1 year ago
As with most things, if people are responsible about installation and use, the danger from gas stoves/water heaters/furnaces is not too great. However, responsible means having and using good ventilation, good fans, proper installation which vents outside, tight joints, etc. And unfortunately, a lot of older, less expensive homes with gas stoves, water heaters, furnaces, etc. don’t have all that. And I’m not sure all towns have building regulations that require it.
We have had health problems in this country for years — asthma, allergies, cancers, etc. — due at least in part to the stuff we spew into the air, and dump onto the land and water. The costs to individuals and to the country as a whole (medical, intellectual, economic) are huge. But we have ignored the lax way that pipeline leaks and factory exhaust is managed and waste is burned, buried or dumped, etc. because most of us don’t live downwind of such places — at least those of us who have money (and credit) don’t buy in those places. [Or we move out as soon as possible.]
I remember driving out to college in California in 1971 and coming over the hills heading towards Riverside and seeing an entirely black sky — smog — I thought we were heading into Mordor. They cleaned that up pretty well. Now, when I drive I 25 heading towards Denver I see a similar dark cloud suspended above the buildings.
“Mists curled and smoked from dark and noisome pools. The reek of them hung stifling in the still air. Far away, now almost due south, the mountain-walls of Mordor loomed, like a black bar of rugged clouds floating above a dangerous fog-bound sea.” [Tolkien, The Two Towers]
Regardless of the extreme rhetoric being tossed around, the most likely outcome will be a few regulations regarding safety features and building codes. After all, we can’t hurt gas-related businesses. They need all the help they can get in order to stay competitive. /s
cmxx over 1 year ago
Two people “liked” yesterday’s toon. That tells me a bunch of you didn’t know you missed it until just this second.
willie_mctell over 1 year ago
Coming soon to a Starbucks near you.
d.davies0809@gmail.com over 1 year ago
Those must be “Roving Stoves”!
Free Radical over 1 year ago
That dude looks HOT!
wildthing over 1 year ago
Boy, they really picked the wrong scapegoat this time.
Nantucket Premium Member over 1 year ago
Thinking about replacing my stove and will consider the information in my decision. Ignorance is NOT bliss,
DC Swamp over 1 year ago
I thought leftists exist who prefer gas stoves……….
Retrac Premium Member over 1 year ago
Thank you, Mr. Davies! Such silliness can only provoke laughter.
Steverino Premium Member over 1 year ago
The real problem with gas stoves in unventilated rooms is not methane, but carbon monoxide. If you have a gas stove, you need a CO detector. And yes, CO has killed a lot of people.
rossevrymn over 1 year ago
basically
phritzg Premium Member over 1 year ago
Remember, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gas stove is a good guy with a gas stove. Better yet, a good guy with two gas stoves. Coming soon: the Reich wing lunatics begin stockpiling gas stoves. /s
babka Premium Member over 1 year ago
whatever happened to Elon’s sink?
shannon1352 over 1 year ago
Where does he carry the propane tanks to fule it??