send in twenty thousand tropes full armed and march on both sides of the street from the airport to town on both. anyone wants to leave to go down the mid. and get on a transport. screw the Taliban!
Chip – it is so wonderful to see you display your unability to understand that the real world has more than one side to it. If it was ONLY about what the Taliban thought then your President could have extended the withdrawal at his leisure… And please try to keep in mind WHO brought this deal on you before you start throwing stones….
Baghdad Bok seems to have forgotten that the Previous Occupant negotiated that everyone would be gone by May 1st, which is why they stopped their hostilities.
it seems a bit contradictory that there was 1) a collapse of the government to the Taliban in a matter of hours, and 2) there are a lot of the Afghan people who risked their lives on our behalf.
I’m sure there are a lot of people who want out…that doesnt mean we should take them
‘An ugly pullout’ By David LeonhardtWhat might a more successful exit from Afghanistan have looked like?I have spent some time talking with colleagues and experts about that question, and it is a difficult one to answer. President Biden’s exit certainly has not gone well. The “orderly” withdrawal he had promised did not happen, and the world has watched agonizing scenes of Afghans trying to escape.But I’ve also noticed a naïveté about some of the commentary on Afghanistan. It presumes that there was a clean solution for the U.S., if only the Biden administration (and, to a lesser extent, the Trump administration) had executed it. The commentary never quite spells out what the solution was, though.There is a reason for that: A clean solution probably did not exist.The fundamental choice, as my colleague Helene Cooper told me, was between a permanent, low-level U.S. war in Afghanistan — a version of what John McCain once called a 100-year war — and a messy exit. “The pullout was never going to be a simple thing,” says Helene, who covers the Pentagon. “It was always going to be an ugly pullout.”My goal with today’s newsletter is to explain what the true options in Afghanistan were, as well as some alternate decisions by the Biden administration that might have worked out better.It’s important to start with this background: The biggest failure in Afghanistan almost certainly was not anything that happened this week or even in the past decade. It was a decision, early in the 2000s, to seek total victory in a faraway war of questionable relevance to U.S. national interests. As Adam Nossiter, who became The Times’s Kabul bureau chief last year, has written, “The American war, like other such neocolonialist adventures,” was “most likely doomed from the start.”Why not sooner?The most salient failure of the Biden pullout is the apparent abandonment of thousands of Afghans who worked closely with the U.S. and whom the Taliban may jail, abuse or kill.
The way the evacuations are going, we may not need that extension. There was never a way to take everyone out of the country. As it is, if we need to extend, we will extend. The Taliban don’t really want to give the USA an excuse to change their minds, now do they?
Oh, and how about one with Trump releasing, turns out to be upwards of 6,000 Taliban prisoners, including their leader last year long before this mess. Where they violated unchallenged everything in Trump’s peace agreement with the Taliban. You know, the one the Republican’s were so proud of until the Taliban showed that they never intended there to be peace in Afghanistan. President Trump, worst deal maker ever.
If Conservatives think they would’ve allowed Trump to have an extension from the 1 May 2021 date he negotiated, they are being willfully ignorant and naive. Bottomline, if we know there are still American citizens or permanent residents still in the country on 1 SEP and it’s because the Taliban are actively blocking them from leaving; we sure as hell better have a military force going in to extract them. That’s what we should be telling them.
Heck, honest, I don’t blame the Taliban. They’ve started to figure out that everyone fleeing the country are the doctors, lawyers, teachers and anyone who knows how to make things work in that twisted country. If they give an extension there won’t be anyone left who can keep the lights running.
Time for them to figure out that you need to maybe treat your educated people better if you want them to stick around and keep your rat hole country from going down the drain.
RAGs over 2 years ago
It’s those 5,000 Taliban that Trump released and sent back while promising that the US would pull out all troops within 14 months,
Ammo is on a break Premium Member over 2 years ago
Biden wants to buy a Vowel.
Walter Kocker Premium Member over 2 years ago
We’ve just GOT to get all the Americans out of Afghanistan before we retaliate with . . . REDACTED.
DIF20 over 2 years ago
send in twenty thousand tropes full armed and march on both sides of the street from the airport to town on both. anyone wants to leave to go down the mid. and get on a transport. screw the Taliban!
Mats Dahlgren Premium Member over 2 years ago
Chip – it is so wonderful to see you display your unability to understand that the real world has more than one side to it. If it was ONLY about what the Taliban thought then your President could have extended the withdrawal at his leisure… And please try to keep in mind WHO brought this deal on you before you start throwing stones….
Patjade over 2 years ago
Baghdad Bok seems to have forgotten that the Previous Occupant negotiated that everyone would be gone by May 1st, which is why they stopped their hostilities.
guyjen2004 Premium Member over 2 years ago
HA! Love the hourglass/wristwatch.
Looks like the cavemen are holding all the cards, Joe. Nice job.
Ontman over 2 years ago
Bok is great at embarrassing himself.
Same2Ubuddy over 2 years ago
If you put Biden’s brain in a hummingbird it would fly backward.
Retrac Premium Member over 2 years ago
So many “hostages” will be left behind. How much will we pay to get them home?
codak over 2 years ago
it seems a bit contradictory that there was 1) a collapse of the government to the Taliban in a matter of hours, and 2) there are a lot of the Afghan people who risked their lives on our behalf.
I’m sure there are a lot of people who want out…that doesnt mean we should take them
elvisgirl3 over 2 years ago
The lackeys here can’t spread enough manure for a soft landing, when their leader thinks about a parachute After jumped from a plane.
grange Premium Member over 2 years ago
Joe got an extension on T****’s original May deadline. The big reason being that team T**** had done zilch to prepare for a pullout.
Zen-of-Zinfandel over 2 years ago
Is Joe following the “doctrine of weakness?”
ncorgbl over 2 years ago
The Taliban said the same thing about tRump’s May 1st deadline. Joe told them what they could do with it. Let`em talk. Don’t mean anything.
martens over 2 years ago
‘An ugly pullout’ By David LeonhardtWhat might a more successful exit from Afghanistan have looked like?I have spent some time talking with colleagues and experts about that question, and it is a difficult one to answer. President Biden’s exit certainly has not gone well. The “orderly” withdrawal he had promised did not happen, and the world has watched agonizing scenes of Afghans trying to escape.But I’ve also noticed a naïveté about some of the commentary on Afghanistan. It presumes that there was a clean solution for the U.S., if only the Biden administration (and, to a lesser extent, the Trump administration) had executed it. The commentary never quite spells out what the solution was, though.There is a reason for that: A clean solution probably did not exist.The fundamental choice, as my colleague Helene Cooper told me, was between a permanent, low-level U.S. war in Afghanistan — a version of what John McCain once called a 100-year war — and a messy exit. “The pullout was never going to be a simple thing,” says Helene, who covers the Pentagon. “It was always going to be an ugly pullout.”My goal with today’s newsletter is to explain what the true options in Afghanistan were, as well as some alternate decisions by the Biden administration that might have worked out better.It’s important to start with this background: The biggest failure in Afghanistan almost certainly was not anything that happened this week or even in the past decade. It was a decision, early in the 2000s, to seek total victory in a faraway war of questionable relevance to U.S. national interests. As Adam Nossiter, who became The Times’s Kabul bureau chief last year, has written, “The American war, like other such neocolonialist adventures,” was “most likely doomed from the start.”Why not sooner?The most salient failure of the Biden pullout is the apparent abandonment of thousands of Afghans who worked closely with the U.S. and whom the Taliban may jail, abuse or kill.
braindead Premium Member over 2 years ago
martens’ comment, above, worth reading. You know, all the way through.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
We have the richest military in the world, horribly abused by the republican liars.
For 20 billion the homeless crises could be solved, do you think republicons would vote for that?
GiantShetlandPony over 2 years ago
The way the evacuations are going, we may not need that extension. There was never a way to take everyone out of the country. As it is, if we need to extend, we will extend. The Taliban don’t really want to give the USA an excuse to change their minds, now do they?
GiantShetlandPony over 2 years ago
Oh, and how about one with Trump releasing, turns out to be upwards of 6,000 Taliban prisoners, including their leader last year long before this mess. Where they violated unchallenged everything in Trump’s peace agreement with the Taliban. You know, the one the Republican’s were so proud of until the Taliban showed that they never intended there to be peace in Afghanistan. President Trump, worst deal maker ever.
ndblackirish97 over 2 years ago
If Conservatives think they would’ve allowed Trump to have an extension from the 1 May 2021 date he negotiated, they are being willfully ignorant and naive. Bottomline, if we know there are still American citizens or permanent residents still in the country on 1 SEP and it’s because the Taliban are actively blocking them from leaving; we sure as hell better have a military force going in to extract them. That’s what we should be telling them.
Durak Premium Member over 2 years ago
Heck, honest, I don’t blame the Taliban. They’ve started to figure out that everyone fleeing the country are the doctors, lawyers, teachers and anyone who knows how to make things work in that twisted country. If they give an extension there won’t be anyone left who can keep the lights running.
Time for them to figure out that you need to maybe treat your educated people better if you want them to stick around and keep your rat hole country from going down the drain.
donut reply over 2 years ago
I am beginning to believe Biden can be pushed around easily.
abraxas over 2 years ago
After the bombing, all agreements are off.
lavender headgear over 2 years ago
Joe “Bloody Hands” Biden