Bob Gorrell would look like he’s a lot less full of crap if he hadn’t missed his opportunity to admonish Dolt45 when he ordered the US military to abandon our Kurdish allies in Syria.
This reminds me, Pompeo said that there should be consequences for the recent Russian hackings. Something he never said when it happened under Trump. Maybe Trump invited it?
“In a different kind of war, we had to recognize that we’re not facing a nation; we’re facing a group of people who have adopted an ideology of hatred and love to find places where they can hide. They’re like parasites. They kind of leech on to a host and hope the host weakens over time so they can eventually become the host. That’s why I said to the Taliban in Afghanistan: Get rid of al Qaeda; see, you’re harboring al Qaeda. Remember this is a place where they trained — al Qaeda trained thousands of people in Afghanistan. And the Taliban, I guess, just didn’t believe me. And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free.”
History tells us that Afghanistan is “the graveyard of empires”. We should never have tried to change that. We should have gotten the bad guy, dropped him in the sea, and left way back under Bush “the lessor” and his henchmen and gotten the hell out of that place.
This is the way I would have handled the terrorist situation. Sent a letter to every country harboring terrorists. Tell them, you take care of them, or we will. Use intelligence gathering to pin point where they are. Have quick strike forces and drones ready on ships near the hot spots, or in friendly countries. Send the strike force in to take them out. No occupation in country. “I know more than the Generals”.
GWB lost Afghanistan in 2001, when he let the Taliban leadership get out of Kabul instead of bombing the loya jirga they were meeting in to respond to US demands out of existence. Cold blooded slaughter, yes. A revolution, even one imposed from outside, is not a tea party.
So Booby, would the next 20 years have been better then the first* 20 years??? Even the old SOVIETS learned that “the graveyard of Empires” had a meaning!! As did the Brits before them!!
Searching for a similar cartoon from Gorrell in February 2020 when Trump negotiated a deal for the US and NATO to leave Afghanistan without even including the Afghan government in the talks but for some reason I can’t find it.
What idiot admin got us into the mess in Afghanistan in the first place? And how many TRILLIONS of dollars and thousands of unnecessary deaths were the cost?
How many tours of duty in Afghanistan did you do, Bob? How about your son or daughter? How much death, worry and pain has touched your life due to Afghanistan?
And for WHAT? What were we EVER going to get out of it? Other than as our national graveyard?
I hate the waste. The utter failure of twenty years of loss.
And I want for there to be an end. Is it the end we wanted? NO.
But it’s the only end we can hope for. It’s the best we’re going to get.
Instead of copy/pasting previous artwork or a google image, Gorrell took 5 minutes and made some rectangles and then drew a flap to make one of the rectangles into the back of an envelope.
Gorrell made exactly the same “if the US leaves the terrorists will take over” back in 2014
“A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pres. Trump negotiate with the Taliban to withdraw al troops by May 1st? Isn’t Pres. Biden honoring an agreement that we (the USA) made with the Taliban? Shouldn’t that letter be addressed to Mr. Trump, then?
If we had spent more effort trying to make Afghanistan a better place to live, this would have been over long ago. Instead, we fired the military but allowed them to keep all their weapons and stockpiles (setting up civil war), allowed looters to destroy criminal records, so there was no proof that any criminals belonged in jail, and allowed looters to take computers, electronics, books, and even copper wiring from centers of higher education, ensuring at least one generation of unnecessary ignorance.
And then we re-built: buildings that crumbled, water and electrical investments that resulted in services no better than those they replaced, and all because of corruption between DOD and contractors (Halliburton and its subsidiary, KBR). Remember the showers that they built for our soldiers that gave them 110 volts in addition to warm water?
But at least we gave them a new flag (in Israeli flag colors) a new constitution, and new currency. Would you be happy your country’s occupiers did this to your country?
If we had any chance of improving the situation in the middle east, it ended soon after the invasion. The first rule of holes: when in one, stop digging.
Thank the late war monger Rummy for the disaster.Deciding to outsource the search for Bin Laudin started this whole fiasco.the lives and injuries to the American Soldiers and the countless Afgans are on his immortal soul. May he rot in the same hell he turned that country into.
There’s a lot of truth behind this ‘toon. President Biden really didn’t have great options here, but he took the best one. What else, stay in that benighted country for another twenty years? This is something that both Presidents Trump and Biden agreed on. Trump started the program to withdraw our troops out of Afghanistan then Biden took the ball and is going to take it through the goalposts. I think this both the left and right here understand the warnings and dangers of “nation building” and that was never the reason for the invasion. The mission was to eliminate Al-Qaeda and capture or kill Osama bin Laden. We decimated Al-Qaeda within the first few years and continued to play “whack-a-mole” whenever they tried to reorganize until they gave up and moved to Iraq and Syria. President Obama gave the thumbs up on taking out bin Laden and so the second objective was achieved, mission accomplished. He should have pulled out over the next few years, but the Pentagon was against it. If ever there was a time when a President should have over ridden his generals, that was it. Afghanistan was never going to be pacified or civilized with the force strength there. I don’t really blame Obama, the military industrial machine is a formidable force. Best of luck to Biden and you will never see me criticize him over this issue although I disagree with him on so many others. The Taliban is already consolidating their power and I have a great deal of sympathy for the Afghan people especially their women.
Don’t forget, this is the second time we’ve done that. The Taliban only exists because of our funding the mujahedeen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
Bob, given that the invasion of Afghanistan was at the behest of one Bush, how does a thank you note to Joe enter the fray? This from Wikipedia Bob, ‘The United States invasion of Afghanistan occurred after the September 11 attacks in late 2001 and was supported by close US allies which had officially began the War on Terror. … Its public aims were to dismantle al-Qaeda and deny it a safe base of operations in Afghanistan by removing the Taliban from power.’ George W Bush was/is the owner of this calamity along with a coalition of the easily duped. Do a quick Google before you put pen to paper in the future, you may get closer to reality.
Mr. Gorrell is a sad, sad, Rebugnantkkkin apologist, who evidently majored in Revisionist History in college. The fact that he gets paid to ooze out this drivel is also a sad statement on our present system. You better pray there ain’t no Hell dude.
The previous administration really dodge a political bullet of hypocritical criticism when Congressional warhawks blocked Trump from pulling the troops out.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
Good ol’ Bob “Double Standard” Gorrell who gave big kudos to #45 for saying he’d do it…
And, though I’m sad that the Taliban will take over in Afghanistan, it is really not our job to force some other outcome.
Daeder almost 3 years ago
Bob Gorrell would look like he’s a lot less full of crap if he hadn’t missed his opportunity to admonish Dolt45 when he ordered the US military to abandon our Kurdish allies in Syria.
RAGs almost 3 years ago
This reminds me, Pompeo said that there should be consequences for the recent Russian hackings. Something he never said when it happened under Trump. Maybe Trump invited it?
Patjade almost 3 years ago
So, Goofy Gorrell, how many more decades should we stay there and do you volunteer to be one of those going?
Besides, there are no Taliban. Bush said so himself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54621-2004Sep27_5.html
“In a different kind of war, we had to recognize that we’re not facing a nation; we’re facing a group of people who have adopted an ideology of hatred and love to find places where they can hide. They’re like parasites. They kind of leech on to a host and hope the host weakens over time so they can eventually become the host. That’s why I said to the Taliban in Afghanistan: Get rid of al Qaeda; see, you’re harboring al Qaeda. Remember this is a place where they trained — al Qaeda trained thousands of people in Afghanistan. And the Taliban, I guess, just didn’t believe me. And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free.”
hermit48 almost 3 years ago
Hey! Correll! Should we re-occupy South Vietnam too?
pepwine almost 3 years ago
History tells us that Afghanistan is “the graveyard of empires”. We should never have tried to change that. We should have gotten the bad guy, dropped him in the sea, and left way back under Bush “the lessor” and his henchmen and gotten the hell out of that place.
Kurtass Premium Member almost 3 years ago
This is the way I would have handled the terrorist situation. Sent a letter to every country harboring terrorists. Tell them, you take care of them, or we will. Use intelligence gathering to pin point where they are. Have quick strike forces and drones ready on ships near the hot spots, or in friendly countries. Send the strike force in to take them out. No occupation in country. “I know more than the Generals”.
Judge Magney almost 3 years ago
GWB lost Afghanistan in 2001, when he let the Taliban leadership get out of Kabul instead of bombing the loya jirga they were meeting in to respond to US demands out of existence. Cold blooded slaughter, yes. A revolution, even one imposed from outside, is not a tea party.
LookingGlass Premium Member almost 3 years ago
So Booby, would the next 20 years have been better then the first* 20 years??? Even the old SOVIETS learned that “the graveyard of Empires” had a meaning!! As did the Brits before them!!
/SHEESH/
baroden Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Where was this BS when Trump wanted to pull out in 2020?
tbarry718 almost 3 years ago
Searching for a similar cartoon from Gorrell in February 2020 when Trump negotiated a deal for the US and NATO to leave Afghanistan without even including the Afghan government in the talks but for some reason I can’t find it.
The Nodding Head almost 3 years ago
How many deaths ‘til us part?
studiotyler almost 3 years ago
What idiot admin got us into the mess in Afghanistan in the first place? And how many TRILLIONS of dollars and thousands of unnecessary deaths were the cost?
Yeah, let’s stay there and fight on…
Durak Premium Member almost 3 years ago
How many tours of duty in Afghanistan did you do, Bob? How about your son or daughter? How much death, worry and pain has touched your life due to Afghanistan?
And for WHAT? What were we EVER going to get out of it? Other than as our national graveyard?
I hate the waste. The utter failure of twenty years of loss.
And I want for there to be an end. Is it the end we wanted? NO.
But it’s the only end we can hope for. It’s the best we’re going to get.
NeoconMan almost 3 years ago
Gorrell is quite right; we wouldn’t be in this mess if Biden hadn’t invaded Afghanistan back in 2001.
piper_gilbert almost 3 years ago
Maybe we should stay there forever.
GradingGorrell almost 3 years ago
11/70
Instead of copy/pasting previous artwork or a google image, Gorrell took 5 minutes and made some rectangles and then drew a flap to make one of the rectangles into the back of an envelope.
Gorrell made exactly the same “if the US leaves the terrorists will take over” back in 2014
https://theweek.com/cartoons/428501/obama-cartoon-war-afghanistan
this is Gorrell’s last cartoon on Afghanistan from 2019 showing Afghanistan as Vietnam
https://www.gocomics.com/bobgorrell/2019/12/09
That cartoon seems to reference this article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/
“A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.”
lonecat almost 3 years ago
If it lasts for twenty years, it’s not a war, it’s an occupation.
BeniHanna6 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I KILL YOU!!
ChristopherBurns almost 3 years ago
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pres. Trump negotiate with the Taliban to withdraw al troops by May 1st? Isn’t Pres. Biden honoring an agreement that we (the USA) made with the Taliban? Shouldn’t that letter be addressed to Mr. Trump, then?
I Play One On TV almost 3 years ago
If we had spent more effort trying to make Afghanistan a better place to live, this would have been over long ago. Instead, we fired the military but allowed them to keep all their weapons and stockpiles (setting up civil war), allowed looters to destroy criminal records, so there was no proof that any criminals belonged in jail, and allowed looters to take computers, electronics, books, and even copper wiring from centers of higher education, ensuring at least one generation of unnecessary ignorance.
And then we re-built: buildings that crumbled, water and electrical investments that resulted in services no better than those they replaced, and all because of corruption between DOD and contractors (Halliburton and its subsidiary, KBR). Remember the showers that they built for our soldiers that gave them 110 volts in addition to warm water?
But at least we gave them a new flag (in Israeli flag colors) a new constitution, and new currency. Would you be happy your country’s occupiers did this to your country?
If we had any chance of improving the situation in the middle east, it ended soon after the invasion. The first rule of holes: when in one, stop digging.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
Thanks to W Bush another incompetent lying republican.
red6235 almost 3 years ago
Thank the late war monger Rummy for the disaster.Deciding to outsource the search for Bin Laudin started this whole fiasco.the lives and injuries to the American Soldiers and the countless Afgans are on his immortal soul. May he rot in the same hell he turned that country into.
Kracklin Rosie - “Tolo Dan Nan Galad” Premium Member almost 3 years ago
There’s a lot of truth behind this ‘toon. President Biden really didn’t have great options here, but he took the best one. What else, stay in that benighted country for another twenty years? This is something that both Presidents Trump and Biden agreed on. Trump started the program to withdraw our troops out of Afghanistan then Biden took the ball and is going to take it through the goalposts. I think this both the left and right here understand the warnings and dangers of “nation building” and that was never the reason for the invasion. The mission was to eliminate Al-Qaeda and capture or kill Osama bin Laden. We decimated Al-Qaeda within the first few years and continued to play “whack-a-mole” whenever they tried to reorganize until they gave up and moved to Iraq and Syria. President Obama gave the thumbs up on taking out bin Laden and so the second objective was achieved, mission accomplished. He should have pulled out over the next few years, but the Pentagon was against it. If ever there was a time when a President should have over ridden his generals, that was it. Afghanistan was never going to be pacified or civilized with the force strength there. I don’t really blame Obama, the military industrial machine is a formidable force. Best of luck to Biden and you will never see me criticize him over this issue although I disagree with him on so many others. The Taliban is already consolidating their power and I have a great deal of sympathy for the Afghan people especially their women.
calliarcale almost 3 years ago
Don’t forget, this is the second time we’ve done that. The Taliban only exists because of our funding the mujahedeen during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
grumpypophobart almost 3 years ago
Bob, given that the invasion of Afghanistan was at the behest of one Bush, how does a thank you note to Joe enter the fray? This from Wikipedia Bob, ‘The United States invasion of Afghanistan occurred after the September 11 attacks in late 2001 and was supported by close US allies which had officially began the War on Terror. … Its public aims were to dismantle al-Qaeda and deny it a safe base of operations in Afghanistan by removing the Taliban from power.’ George W Bush was/is the owner of this calamity along with a coalition of the easily duped. Do a quick Google before you put pen to paper in the future, you may get closer to reality.
richardclayton1000 almost 3 years ago
Since when did the US own Afgahistan? Typical right wing thinking. Or lack of thinking.
Wlly Blly almost 3 years ago
Does this idiot not know that the Orange Idiot had already ordered the withdrawal?
buckman-j almost 3 years ago
Mr. Gorrell is a sad, sad, Rebugnantkkkin apologist, who evidently majored in Revisionist History in college. The fact that he gets paid to ooze out this drivel is also a sad statement on our present system. You better pray there ain’t no Hell dude.
ndblackirish97 almost 3 years ago
The previous administration really dodge a political bullet of hypocritical criticism when Congressional warhawks blocked Trump from pulling the troops out.
TrulyTexan almost 3 years ago
Shouldn’t that letter be to W and Cheney?
mourdac Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I’m assuming all of your kids/grandkids fought over there, Bgorrell?
359mxn almost 3 years ago
I’m so old I remember a Bush that got us there with his buddy Rumsfeld.