It’s actually a “non-stop BS talking points from cultservative minions like Mike Ramirez” problem.
Police shouldn’t have to do animal control and social work and mental health work, they should just do police work. Also, they shouldn’t have ANY military gear. Period.
Of course, it has never been a question of less or more police, but BETTER police. If the police stopped acting like entitled criminals, things might actually work the way they are supposed to. But as long as one cop covers for another like “omerta” for the Mafia, police lie on the stand and falsify evidence, and think that they have any and all rights without any need for controls – we will have major problems. One minor example: a Toronto kid always wanted to be a cop and “do good”. He grows up, becomes a cop, and as a new rookie he sees a car speeding and stops it; as he approaches to give the driver a ticket, the driver says “I’m on the force.” The rookie replies: “I don’t care. You were speeding; here’s your ticket.” The next day not a single cop on the force would say a word to him unless absolutely necessary. After weeks of this, it became necessary to transfer the rookie to another city! Why? Because the typical attitude of cops is that laws are for everyone else – THEY have carte blanche to do whatever without sanction. HOW DARE another cop expect them to follow the law?
It’s not a “gun” problem. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. It’s the fact that criminals don’t obey laws. Chicago has both the strictest gun laws in the country, yet also has the highest murder rate. There is a segment of society that doesn’t value someone else’s life, liberty, and their right to pursue happiness.
“I noticed fewer police in my neighborhood, I guess it’s safe to go on a crime spree!”
Ramirez: You have it wrong.
More jobs, better paying jobs, mean less crime.
No one wants to live a life of crime, simply because it’s easier.
For years Republicans have been defunding schools, and we get poorly educated graduates. Poorly educated graduates get poor paying jobs. Those without good paying jobs get desperate. The desperate make bad choices and, I’m sorry, commit crimes.
And they don’t count police cars on patrol before they do it.
Sigh. It would be so nice if conservatives listened to sociologists and other professionals who study the causes of crime instead of just relying on comic book-level violence vs. violence wet dreams.
GOP holding up bill that would give more money to police departments. GOP was responsible for beating up cops as the mob invaded the Capitol. Actions speak louder than words.
It’s GOP who won’t vote for ANY of the bills….and they twist it to look like the DEMs are defunding…BULLCRAP! Like Sir Craps-A-Lot says, say it enough times and they’ll believe it as a truth! Sick
Cops arrest people after they commit crimes. Society prevents crime by imposing meaningful consequences and making sure that all its citizens have all they need.
Thankfully the “defund the police” candidate Maya Wiley came in 3rd place for the recent Mayoral primary in NYC. Urban Democrats are not buying into ‘less police is better’ message. The top two candidates Eric Adams and Kathryn Garcia made reducing violent crime a top priority during their campaigns which resonated with the Democratic voters.
1) By definition, one is a criminal if one is convicted of a crime. More police will therefore produce more criminals, since more will be caught.
2) Not all crimes are equal. Going just by raw numbers of “crimes”, it can appear that things are getting much worse — even if the rise is entirely in petty crime.
3) Petty crime is much easier to catch and prosecute. Consequently, it would not be difficult to game the metrics by, for instance, cracking down hard on petty crimes.
4) Very few cities have any a significant change to their policing policies. There’s been a lot of talk about it, but very little actual change. It’s disingenuous to suggest a causal relationship between reducing police forces and increasing crime, especially when absolutely nothing else about 2020 was normal. Pandemic? Global recession? High unemployment? Crushing heat waves? Political collapse in many countries? Unprecedented levels of human migration? None of that could be a factor?
5) It’s fair to be afraid of emboldening criminals — but the problem is that our penalties for even minor crimes now are so severe that criminals have nothing left to lose. If you face 40 years in jail for cocaine possession, then why stop at cocaine possession? Especially if, when you eventually get paroled, you find you cannot get work.
Why are we having this discussion? Everyone commenting is a crime expert, so with all this expertise on display there shouldn’t even be a crime problem.
Mr. Ramirez is correct, the Democrats inability to grasp just that is in fact stupidity or maybe he is to kind to say ignorance. No matter what word you choose to describe it, crimes and violence will continue to rise as long as the present administration is in office and its party controls some States and there larger cities.
The Fox News anchor Chris Wallace made headlines of his own by pointing out to a senior Republican that he and the rest of his party recently voted against $350bn in funding for law enforcement.
“Can’t you make the argument that it’s you and the Republicans who are defunding the police?” Wallace asked Jim Banks, the head of the House Republican study committee.
How Congressional Republicans Maneuver Against Funding The Capitol Police For
A highly complex series of maneuvers is occurring in the Congress about the little-known “legislative branch appropriation” which funds operations on Capitol Hill, including the Capitol Police. The issues come from the January 6 insurrection. Congressional Republicans are attempting to hold hostage vital funding for the Capitol Police, by resisting supplemental (extra) funds relating to that day. Congressional Democrats are trying to free up the vitally needed funds to pay the overtime for the police, as well as other funds for hardening the Capitol site against the new attacks. Right now the funding situation is perilous for the Capitol Police.The situation starts with the Congress passing its spending bill last year to pay for the entire Capitol complex, including the Capitol Police and a projection of their expected overtime. As it was dryly put, Congress did not budget (last summer) for the January 6 insurrection. Who knew? Everything spent on dealing with that insurrection went beyond budgeted-for projections.
But the cost in funding for the Capitol Police was much more than simply what they spent that day. More than 150 Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan Police officers were injured while engaging with rioters. Dozens of officers left the department in the months since.
I just love it when they interview some blowhard morbidly-obese sheriff with 5 stars on his collar, scrambled eggs on his combination cap, and other meaningless military-esq decorations making the useless twat look like some kind of generalissimo.
Other than that, my visit to Georgia was uneventful.
Given that this kind of stuff has been going on for the past 50 years and continues expanding with each passing year it hardly makes sense to blame an increase in crime on defunding the police.
I remember this commercial on WTTV channel 4, Indianapolis in the late 60’s early 70’s. Called Don’s Guns. This handsome silver haired,mustached man with designer glasses would advertise his guns with such charm and suave, that you would buy it. At the end, he would have a cigar in one hand,and the other would be pointing his finger at you saying. " Folks, I don’t want to make money, I just love to sell guns. HEH,HEH,HEH!" It was that devious laugh that i will never forget, and never will.
President Biden wants FUNDING for the POLICE! You know WHY? Because 70% of American’s WANT IT! That includes EVERY RACE and CREED! DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN are subject to VIOLENCE! My question is this? Is Kamala in favor of funding also? Will she be in TOW with JOE, or OUT of SINK with AOC! This party is DIVIDED, But Kamala will WIN no matter what! For she will favor the side that PROMOTES HER! As a CHAMELEON changes COLOR, SO SHALL SHE!
Daeder almost 3 years ago
It’s actually a “non-stop BS talking points from cultservative minions like Mike Ramirez” problem.
Police shouldn’t have to do animal control and social work and mental health work, they should just do police work. Also, they shouldn’t have ANY military gear. Period.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Ramirez fine with the GQP harboring a crime boss.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
The two top equations are a flat lie, IF you happen to think that the attacks by police on people of color are crimes.
PS: The religion of the Second Amendment is a big piece of this pie too. But fat chance o’ Ramirez mentioning it.
LookingGlass Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Another “thought-provoking” cartoon from Mikey-Boi – - NOT!!
/SHEESH/
Patjade almost 3 years ago
Yep, and Ramirez engages in stupidity by putting out false propaganda and fallacy.
knutdl almost 3 years ago
“Good cop, good cop, rollin’ with that bad cop”
Pogostiks Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Of course, it has never been a question of less or more police, but BETTER police. If the police stopped acting like entitled criminals, things might actually work the way they are supposed to. But as long as one cop covers for another like “omerta” for the Mafia, police lie on the stand and falsify evidence, and think that they have any and all rights without any need for controls – we will have major problems. One minor example: a Toronto kid always wanted to be a cop and “do good”. He grows up, becomes a cop, and as a new rookie he sees a car speeding and stops it; as he approaches to give the driver a ticket, the driver says “I’m on the force.” The rookie replies: “I don’t care. You were speeding; here’s your ticket.” The next day not a single cop on the force would say a word to him unless absolutely necessary. After weeks of this, it became necessary to transfer the rookie to another city! Why? Because the typical attitude of cops is that laws are for everyone else – THEY have carte blanche to do whatever without sanction. HOW DARE another cop expect them to follow the law?
William Bednar Premium Member almost 3 years ago
This might work if the Cops themselves don’t commit crimes while on duty. Which they do.
baroden Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Militarized police don’t prevent crime. They enforce laws that were already broken.
And no law ever prevented a crime.
Zoturdley Premium Member almost 3 years ago
And everybody said AMEN.
FJB Premium Member almost 3 years ago
It’s not a “gun” problem. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. It’s the fact that criminals don’t obey laws. Chicago has both the strictest gun laws in the country, yet also has the highest murder rate. There is a segment of society that doesn’t value someone else’s life, liberty, and their right to pursue happiness.
Durak Premium Member almost 3 years ago
So Mike believes people think like this….
“I noticed fewer police in my neighborhood, I guess it’s safe to go on a crime spree!”
Ramirez: You have it wrong.
More jobs, better paying jobs, mean less crime.
No one wants to live a life of crime, simply because it’s easier.
For years Republicans have been defunding schools, and we get poorly educated graduates. Poorly educated graduates get poor paying jobs. Those without good paying jobs get desperate. The desperate make bad choices and, I’m sorry, commit crimes.
And they don’t count police cars on patrol before they do it.
The Nodding Head almost 3 years ago
Sigh. It would be so nice if conservatives listened to sociologists and other professionals who study the causes of crime instead of just relying on comic book-level violence vs. violence wet dreams.
suzalee almost 3 years ago
GOP holding up bill that would give more money to police departments. GOP was responsible for beating up cops as the mob invaded the Capitol. Actions speak louder than words.
NeoconMan almost 3 years ago
Obviously the solution to all this violent crime is to get more guns on the streets.
rs0204 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Not “less cops”, the country needs more “better cops”.
Havel almost 3 years ago
A bit of context often helps: https://www.bbc.com/news/57581270
Any data out there showing a causation between “defunding” and crime rise? Or is it all just anecdotal?
piper_gilbert almost 3 years ago
Crime and the CRT will be the Republican platform going into 2022, and they will win on them. Watch and see.
dandye almost 3 years ago
Put metal detectors on all the sidewalks in Chicago and NYC! :-)
Valiant1943 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
No mention of crises intervention training, getting rid of qualified immunity?
davidthoms1 almost 3 years ago
Crime is down more than 80% since the 1990s. So what are you talking about?
mourdac Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I haven’t seen so much manure since I had to clean out the cattle feedlot on the farm. And this cartoon smells worse.
Alberta Oil Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Yup, Mickey nails it again. Stupidity it is, avoiding the obvious.. guns.
Zebrastripes almost 3 years ago
It’s GOP who won’t vote for ANY of the bills….and they twist it to look like the DEMs are defunding…BULLCRAP! Like Sir Craps-A-Lot says, say it enough times and they’ll believe it as a truth! Sick
flpmlp almost 3 years ago
It is definitely a stupidity problem!
grange Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Cops arrest people after they commit crimes. Society prevents crime by imposing meaningful consequences and making sure that all its citizens have all they need.
edstiles almost 3 years ago
Nice job, Biden voters!
WestNYC Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Thankfully the “defund the police” candidate Maya Wiley came in 3rd place for the recent Mayoral primary in NYC. Urban Democrats are not buying into ‘less police is better’ message. The top two candidates Eric Adams and Kathryn Garcia made reducing violent crime a top priority during their campaigns which resonated with the Democratic voters.
Li'l Dale almost 3 years ago
Tell the do-nothing Republicans!
calliarcale almost 3 years ago
A few things worth mentioning:
1) By definition, one is a criminal if one is convicted of a crime. More police will therefore produce more criminals, since more will be caught.
2) Not all crimes are equal. Going just by raw numbers of “crimes”, it can appear that things are getting much worse — even if the rise is entirely in petty crime.
3) Petty crime is much easier to catch and prosecute. Consequently, it would not be difficult to game the metrics by, for instance, cracking down hard on petty crimes.
4) Very few cities have any a significant change to their policing policies. There’s been a lot of talk about it, but very little actual change. It’s disingenuous to suggest a causal relationship between reducing police forces and increasing crime, especially when absolutely nothing else about 2020 was normal. Pandemic? Global recession? High unemployment? Crushing heat waves? Political collapse in many countries? Unprecedented levels of human migration? None of that could be a factor?
5) It’s fair to be afraid of emboldening criminals — but the problem is that our penalties for even minor crimes now are so severe that criminals have nothing left to lose. If you face 40 years in jail for cocaine possession, then why stop at cocaine possession? Especially if, when you eventually get paroled, you find you cannot get work.
TheCoosBayBachelor almost 3 years ago
Why are we having this discussion? Everyone commenting is a crime expert, so with all this expertise on display there shouldn’t even be a crime problem.
Calideb62 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
The real crime happened when MRamirez was dropped on the head as a child…
Iseau almost 3 years ago
Mr. Ramirez is correct, the Democrats inability to grasp just that is in fact stupidity or maybe he is to kind to say ignorance. No matter what word you choose to describe it, crimes and violence will continue to rise as long as the present administration is in office and its party controls some States and there larger cities.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
The Fox News anchor Chris Wallace made headlines of his own by pointing out to a senior Republican that he and the rest of his party recently voted against $350bn in funding for law enforcement.
“Can’t you make the argument that it’s you and the Republicans who are defunding the police?” Wallace asked Jim Banks, the head of the House Republican study committee.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
How Congressional Republicans Maneuver Against Funding The Capitol Police For
A highly complex series of maneuvers is occurring in the Congress about the little-known “legislative branch appropriation” which funds operations on Capitol Hill, including the Capitol Police. The issues come from the January 6 insurrection. Congressional Republicans are attempting to hold hostage vital funding for the Capitol Police, by resisting supplemental (extra) funds relating to that day. Congressional Democrats are trying to free up the vitally needed funds to pay the overtime for the police, as well as other funds for hardening the Capitol site against the new attacks. Right now the funding situation is perilous for the Capitol Police.The situation starts with the Congress passing its spending bill last year to pay for the entire Capitol complex, including the Capitol Police and a projection of their expected overtime. As it was dryly put, Congress did not budget (last summer) for the January 6 insurrection. Who knew? Everything spent on dealing with that insurrection went beyond budgeted-for projections.But the cost in funding for the Capitol Police was much more than simply what they spent that day. More than 150 Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan Police officers were injured while engaging with rioters. Dozens of officers left the department in the months since.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2021/07/09/how-congressional-republicans-maneuver-against-funding-the
gcottay almost 3 years ago
Yes. The chalkboard is filled with stupidity.
I back the badge.
Lola85 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
But, but AOC and others are claiming that there really isn’t a crime problem. It must be nice to live in her little fantasy world.
ferddo almost 3 years ago
Forget the few extreme radicals – they are not in control. Local governments are not abolishing police forces, and are not promoting crime.
Walter Kocker Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I just love it when they interview some blowhard morbidly-obese sheriff with 5 stars on his collar, scrambled eggs on his combination cap, and other meaningless military-esq decorations making the useless twat look like some kind of generalissimo.
Other than that, my visit to Georgia was uneventful.
randolini Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Yeah, stupid racist cops keep shooting unarmed black people.
RussBowers almost 3 years ago
Given that this kind of stuff has been going on for the past 50 years and continues expanding with each passing year it hardly makes sense to blame an increase in crime on defunding the police.
Zebrastripes almost 3 years ago
No matter how big the hammer, you can’t pound sense into a stupid person…..
EdSanchez almost 3 years ago
Nailed it, Mike!
dyerjames944 almost 3 years ago
I remember this commercial on WTTV channel 4, Indianapolis in the late 60’s early 70’s. Called Don’s Guns. This handsome silver haired,mustached man with designer glasses would advertise his guns with such charm and suave, that you would buy it. At the end, he would have a cigar in one hand,and the other would be pointing his finger at you saying. " Folks, I don’t want to make money, I just love to sell guns. HEH,HEH,HEH!" It was that devious laugh that i will never forget, and never will.
Lou Nattic, né Stan C almost 3 years ago
Fewer cops! Not less, fewer! Did Ramirez go to school?
NeoconMan almost 3 years ago
^ No, less cops. Smaller ones. Little bitty cops.
Sun almost 3 years ago
Democrats are soft on crime, Lawless Democrats would rather Defund the Police within every Democrat ran city, Liberalism is Communism.
wildthing almost 3 years ago
Republicans aren’t the solution to the problem, republicans ARE the problem.
dyerjames944 almost 3 years ago
President Biden wants FUNDING for the POLICE! You know WHY? Because 70% of American’s WANT IT! That includes EVERY RACE and CREED! DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN are subject to VIOLENCE! My question is this? Is Kamala in favor of funding also? Will she be in TOW with JOE, or OUT of SINK with AOC! This party is DIVIDED, But Kamala will WIN no matter what! For she will favor the side that PROMOTES HER! As a CHAMELEON changes COLOR, SO SHALL SHE!
mysterysciencefreezer almost 3 years ago
Actually, “More Cops = Less Crime” has been proven to be untrue.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2019/02/13/marshall-project-more-cops-dont-mean-less-crime-experts-say/2818056002/
BillS50 almost 3 years ago
Riighhht. It’s the guns that are committing the crimes. Geez, it’s so simple! No guns, no crime!
The comic is right. It is a stupidity problem.