Actually, that whole resistance thing is pure contrarianism, so your’e right there. Then you have to go and project. I don’t think YouTube is going to be full of Karen’s having tantrums because they want to wear a mask. Myself, I’m in healthcare. I shall continue to mask in stores in order to reduce the chances of bringing the bug home to the seniors. I don’t anticipate any problems, but if someone refuses me entrance because I’m wearing a mask, I’ll just take my money elsewhere.
That just about does it, don’t it. That’ll just about kill it, won’t it. Maybe we should call a truce. We could but what’s the use. That just about does it, don’t it.
While we may wish for absolute certainty … it doesn’t exist in the real world that we live in.
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As restrictions and mask mandates are dropped around the county, people who are fully vaccinated might be feeling the return-to-normal fantasy. But Dr. Cardona warns that now still isn’t the time to let your guard down. While the vaccines are potent, there’s still a chance that you could become infected.
Dr. Cardona explains.
“‘Fully vaccinated’ means that you completed a COVID-19 vaccine series as recommended for the best protection against severe complications such as hospitalizations and/or death. No vaccine offers 100% protection against illness, yet it does give you a better chance to fight off the infectious consequences of being exposed to the SARS-CoV2 virus.”
Can fully vaccinated people still transmit the virus to others, including other vaccinated people?
While it is possible, Dr. Cardona says that the ability to transmit COVID-19 may occur at a lower rate. She adds that this could also be a reality for people who don’t have a good immune response to vaccines.
“The elderly, those with immune or chronic health conditions or those with underlying health disorders may not have the best protective response to vaccines, such as the COVID-19 vaccines. We are still collecting data and doing ongoing research about the vaccine responses in these vulnerable populations.”
The one thing that’s concerned me is whether or not my system has developed enough immunity. I’m 74 and in reasonable health but I also have an autoimmune disease. I don’t know if that had any effect on the antibody development or not. From what I read, there wasn’t a big study done on people with autoimmune conditions. They didn’t know if it would hinder the vaccine or if it would trigger an autoimmune reaction. I assume they are doing some follow up studies but I haven’t seen any.
Who are you hurting when you do not vaccinate? If others are vaccinated, you can hurt only yourself or other non-vaccine types.
Personally, I believe in vaccinations and take all available I need. However, I deal with a lot of very healthy Amish who have not taken the Covid vaccine and they never did wear masks. So far none of the Amish I know have heard of any Amish they know getting covid.
Freedom to do with your body as you please when it comes to abortion is okay, but freedom not to vaccinate is not?
When you do not vaccinate, you put yourself at risk of spreading variants, such as the Delta variant which is turning into a big problem. In order for variants to happen, there must be enough unvaccinated people who catch COVID. Even vaccinated people can catch COVID and be quite sick, even if they aren’t hospitalized. At this point, I’m still playing it safe because I don’t know who is and who isn’t vaccinated.
Given the immune deficiency disorders that afflict so many, a portion of the population might be well advised to make masks a normal part of their lives.
One of these people can pass a virus that can kill you. The other cannot.
What’s the point really. After all, there is a potential of a vaccinated person being able to pass the disease to you. In that, wearing a mask is for other people, not the wearer.
I’ve decided to wear a mask when inside (shopping) in this region where almost 50% of the adults have had ONE jab (don’t have figures for two, but it’s gotta be less than 40%) and where they were ALREADY not wearing masks even when the store was signed to require them. Because 85% better than no vaccine is still enough worse than “no chance at all” that wearing a mask seems worth the effort. For reasons very similar to why I try not to touch my face, and do wash my hands often during flu season.
The effective rates are 95%. There is always the chance you’re in the 5% that it doesn’t work. Condoms are 99% effective, but the makers all say to still have the male were a condom during intercourse. I wore a mask for most of the time I was in the hospital without issue. I have congestive heart failure and asthma. I was able to breathe just fine. The only issue was my mask kept rubbing my eyes, making reading harder.
grange Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Actually, that whole resistance thing is pure contrarianism, so your’e right there. Then you have to go and project. I don’t think YouTube is going to be full of Karen’s having tantrums because they want to wear a mask. Myself, I’m in healthcare. I shall continue to mask in stores in order to reduce the chances of bringing the bug home to the seniors. I don’t anticipate any problems, but if someone refuses me entrance because I’m wearing a mask, I’ll just take my money elsewhere.
RonnieAThompson Premium Member almost 3 years ago
That sums it up very well.
That just about does it, don’t it. That’ll just about kill it, won’t it. Maybe we should call a truce. We could but what’s the use. That just about does it, don’t it.
superposition almost 3 years ago
While we may wish for absolute certainty … it doesn’t exist in the real world that we live in.
" …
As restrictions and mask mandates are dropped around the county, people who are fully vaccinated might be feeling the return-to-normal fantasy. But Dr. Cardona warns that now still isn’t the time to let your guard down. While the vaccines are potent, there’s still a chance that you could become infected.
Dr. Cardona explains.
“‘Fully vaccinated’ means that you completed a COVID-19 vaccine series as recommended for the best protection against severe complications such as hospitalizations and/or death. No vaccine offers 100% protection against illness, yet it does give you a better chance to fight off the infectious consequences of being exposed to the SARS-CoV2 virus.”
Can fully vaccinated people still transmit the virus to others, including other vaccinated people?
While it is possible, Dr. Cardona says that the ability to transmit COVID-19 may occur at a lower rate. She adds that this could also be a reality for people who don’t have a good immune response to vaccines.
“The elderly, those with immune or chronic health conditions or those with underlying health disorders may not have the best protective response to vaccines, such as the COVID-19 vaccines. We are still collecting data and doing ongoing research about the vaccine responses in these vulnerable populations.”
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https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-vaccinated-people-transmit-covid-19-to-others/
IT Sauzeech almost 3 years ago
The one thing that’s concerned me is whether or not my system has developed enough immunity. I’m 74 and in reasonable health but I also have an autoimmune disease. I don’t know if that had any effect on the antibody development or not. From what I read, there wasn’t a big study done on people with autoimmune conditions. They didn’t know if it would hinder the vaccine or if it would trigger an autoimmune reaction. I assume they are doing some follow up studies but I haven’t seen any.
ChristopherBurns almost 3 years ago
I hate this false equivalence crap. One of the two has an abundance of caution. The other has a complete disregard for other people.
Who are you hurting if you wear a mask?
hawgowar almost 3 years ago
Who are you hurting when you do not vaccinate? If others are vaccinated, you can hurt only yourself or other non-vaccine types.
Personally, I believe in vaccinations and take all available I need. However, I deal with a lot of very healthy Amish who have not taken the Covid vaccine and they never did wear masks. So far none of the Amish I know have heard of any Amish they know getting covid.
Freedom to do with your body as you please when it comes to abortion is okay, but freedom not to vaccinate is not?
IEFBR14 almost 3 years ago
When you do not vaccinate, you put yourself at risk of spreading variants, such as the Delta variant which is turning into a big problem. In order for variants to happen, there must be enough unvaccinated people who catch COVID. Even vaccinated people can catch COVID and be quite sick, even if they aren’t hospitalized. At this point, I’m still playing it safe because I don’t know who is and who isn’t vaccinated.
ninecat Premium Member almost 3 years ago
“Don’t need to” is not equivalent to “should not.” There is no comparison between the anti-vaxxers and those who are continuing to be cautious.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
The murderously stupid right wingers are too dumb to get a vaccine to save themselves and their families.
These are the same people who think Trump won and USA democracy should die.
Let these fools into high office and its game over.
It will be Bed Time for Democracy.
sandflea almost 3 years ago
You should know by now Doc, you can’t reason with an idiot.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 3 years ago
My local farmers market set-up a Covid vaccine booth. YAY!
Same2Ubuddy almost 3 years ago
Science now says dogs and cats are also carriers. Shall we demand they wear masks?
ferddo almost 3 years ago
When doctors make suggestions, that is not bossing. Snowflakes feel terribly threatened every time they hear something that they do not want to hear…
The Nodding Head almost 3 years ago
Given the immune deficiency disorders that afflict so many, a portion of the population might be well advised to make masks a normal part of their lives.
gcottay almost 3 years ago
Please think again Mr. Hands and do your best to remove this from circulation.
GiantShetlandPony almost 3 years ago
One of these people can pass a virus that can kill you. The other cannot.
What’s the point really. After all, there is a potential of a vaccinated person being able to pass the disease to you. In that, wearing a mask is for other people, not the wearer.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
I’ve decided to wear a mask when inside (shopping) in this region where almost 50% of the adults have had ONE jab (don’t have figures for two, but it’s gotta be less than 40%) and where they were ALREADY not wearing masks even when the store was signed to require them. Because 85% better than no vaccine is still enough worse than “no chance at all” that wearing a mask seems worth the effort. For reasons very similar to why I try not to touch my face, and do wash my hands often during flu season.
bakana almost 3 years ago
I consider it Good Manners to continue wearing the Mask until Everyone is vaccinated.
felinefan55 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
The effective rates are 95%. There is always the chance you’re in the 5% that it doesn’t work. Condoms are 99% effective, but the makers all say to still have the male were a condom during intercourse. I wore a mask for most of the time I was in the hospital without issue. I have congestive heart failure and asthma. I was able to breathe just fine. The only issue was my mask kept rubbing my eyes, making reading harder.