Those lying about vaccinations will fit right in to this Woke World where your news crafters of choice will gladly take any fact(s) and spin them into an interpretation that fits your desired scenario.
This is a serious problem for multiple reasons (listen up, @MontanaBill: none of this is new, but clearly you have not paid attention)—
1. If we fail to reach herd immunity, which is looking increasingly likely, that means the virus will stay in circulation AND DEVELOP VARIANTS. The variants we have seen thus far have been more infectious, some more deadly, and it is likely that some will be able to beat the vaccines we have given enough opportunity.
2. Herd immunity has only been achieved in modern times by getting 75%-85% of the population vaccinated. Right now, we are nowhere near that, and with a “40% vaccine hesitant” rate, we never will.
3. Even the best vaccines are 94% effective, not 100%. While they will prevent death or serious hospitalization, one can still get ill from COVID-19, and SPREAD IT TO OTHER PEOPLE, as well as enabling variants to develop, as in #1.
4. Many people are not capable of getting vaccinated right now: children, infants, people with compromised immune systems. If you care for anyone who isn’t you, you should get vaccinated to protect THEM.
5. The Economist did a comprehensive analysis of the data, which concluded not only that deaths are two to four times higher than official reports, but that we are NOT in the second wave, but still in the first, which is still climbing. One comment from their expert: “Expect it to be more India.” https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic
And isn’t it funny that the same people who think no one should EVER vote without special ID are willing to lie about a life-saving vaccination for no real reason? Tell you what: let’s only let the vaccinated vote. They have proved they are willing to serve their country.
I suspect MB is actually being honest today. He really can’t imagine why a person who is protected should give a damn about people who are unprotected, whether by choice or due to factors (such as age or weakened immune systems) beyond their control.
People lie. Get used to it. People who are under pressure to say something “socially approved” lie even more often. Get used to it. But we don’t HAVE to take their word for this. Simply hire a bunch of out-of-work grade school guards to demand proof of vaccination at the entry to malls, party venues, vacation resorts, (NOT churches!), etc. This has TWO good effects: It keeps people employed and it means that people who are trained at customer service don’t have to “come the bad guy”.
I see the same folks wearing masks that always wear masks, and I see the same folks not wearing masks who never wear masks… those of us who still mask up, despite being vaccinated, don’t trust those unmasks folks yet…
The liars will probably survive, but one or more members of their immediate family, of their extended family, of their neighbors, of their colleagues, of their friends, of their acquaintances, of their fellow church/mosque/temple goers, of their fellow Walmart shoppers, and of members of those groups’ family and/or extended families are just as likely to be infected or not to survive. We’ll never know who infected whom. The upside (in my mind) is that those whose pigheadedness caused them to dig in their heels rather than burden themselves with a one-ounce paper mask and bring about the illness and/or death of someone will eventually arrive in Hell. Let them live a long, long life contemplating their eventual comeuppance. The downside is that it’s easier to live with secret guilt than with public shame.
90% + of “Covid” deaths have co-morbidity causes (eg. 80% + = overweight). Hospital I work at (Indiana) receives 70% more $$$ from BigGovt. if official cause is designated “Covid”. LIke ma$ks, it’s become a billion $$$ industry…..they are unwilling to give up.(See Fauci’s remarks at BigPharm meeting last week re: “needing” a booster for it next year.) ALWAYS, follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
IT Sauzeech almost 3 years ago
Of course they will. If proof isn’t required why wouldn’t they lie, especially those that don’t believe Trump lost the election.
brwydave Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Its my constitutional right to bare arms and carry a concealed virus.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
Big Lie Republicans are practiced in the arts of deception.
Mostly Water Premium Member almost 3 years ago
So much for the honor system.
Holden Awn almost 3 years ago
Those lying about vaccinations will fit right in to this Woke World where your news crafters of choice will gladly take any fact(s) and spin them into an interpretation that fits your desired scenario.
Motivemagus almost 3 years ago
This is a serious problem for multiple reasons (listen up, @MontanaBill: none of this is new, but clearly you have not paid attention)—
1. If we fail to reach herd immunity, which is looking increasingly likely, that means the virus will stay in circulation AND DEVELOP VARIANTS. The variants we have seen thus far have been more infectious, some more deadly, and it is likely that some will be able to beat the vaccines we have given enough opportunity.
2. Herd immunity has only been achieved in modern times by getting 75%-85% of the population vaccinated. Right now, we are nowhere near that, and with a “40% vaccine hesitant” rate, we never will.
3. Even the best vaccines are 94% effective, not 100%. While they will prevent death or serious hospitalization, one can still get ill from COVID-19, and SPREAD IT TO OTHER PEOPLE, as well as enabling variants to develop, as in #1.
4. Many people are not capable of getting vaccinated right now: children, infants, people with compromised immune systems. If you care for anyone who isn’t you, you should get vaccinated to protect THEM.
5. The Economist did a comprehensive analysis of the data, which concluded not only that deaths are two to four times higher than official reports, but that we are NOT in the second wave, but still in the first, which is still climbing. One comment from their expert: “Expect it to be more India.” https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic
And isn’t it funny that the same people who think no one should EVER vote without special ID are willing to lie about a life-saving vaccination for no real reason? Tell you what: let’s only let the vaccinated vote. They have proved they are willing to serve their country.
jack666 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I suspect MB is actually being honest today. He really can’t imagine why a person who is protected should give a damn about people who are unprotected, whether by choice or due to factors (such as age or weakened immune systems) beyond their control.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
People lie. Get used to it. People who are under pressure to say something “socially approved” lie even more often. Get used to it. But we don’t HAVE to take their word for this. Simply hire a bunch of out-of-work grade school guards to demand proof of vaccination at the entry to malls, party venues, vacation resorts, (NOT churches!), etc. This has TWO good effects: It keeps people employed and it means that people who are trained at customer service don’t have to “come the bad guy”.
Daeder almost 3 years ago
Right up there with people who lie about the dangers of a deadly pandemic.
ferddo almost 3 years ago
I see the same folks wearing masks that always wear masks, and I see the same folks not wearing masks who never wear masks… those of us who still mask up, despite being vaccinated, don’t trust those unmasks folks yet…
Michael G. almost 3 years ago
Proudly …
ConnieJudkins almost 3 years ago
Thank you @Motivemagus
piper_gilbert almost 3 years ago
We’ve been conditioned to accept lying as okay for the last four years.
cocavan11 almost 3 years ago
The liars will probably survive, but one or more members of their immediate family, of their extended family, of their neighbors, of their colleagues, of their friends, of their acquaintances, of their fellow church/mosque/temple goers, of their fellow Walmart shoppers, and of members of those groups’ family and/or extended families are just as likely to be infected or not to survive. We’ll never know who infected whom. The upside (in my mind) is that those whose pigheadedness caused them to dig in their heels rather than burden themselves with a one-ounce paper mask and bring about the illness and/or death of someone will eventually arrive in Hell. Let them live a long, long life contemplating their eventual comeuppance. The downside is that it’s easier to live with secret guilt than with public shame.
dnie1951 almost 3 years ago
90% + of “Covid” deaths have co-morbidity causes (eg. 80% + = overweight). Hospital I work at (Indiana) receives 70% more $$$ from BigGovt. if official cause is designated “Covid”. LIke ma$ks, it’s become a billion $$$ industry…..they are unwilling to give up.(See Fauci’s remarks at BigPharm meeting last week re: “needing” a booster for it next year.) ALWAYS, follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
dnie1951 almost 3 years ago
Only current Military and Veterans deserve to Vote.