I’ve got an idea. Let’s let all the voters decide. Minus gerrymandering. With reasonable access to the vote for all citizens. Oh, and with an agreement among the states to make the electoral college actually reflect the voters’ will.
I’m sorry, does your edition of the Constitution say, “If the president is suspected of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, just wait a year or more until the next election, that’ll fix it”?
Why not let the voters decide. Because Donnie has been, with the GOP’s blessing, breaking innumerable laws throughout his first term. He should be in the slammer, not campaigning for the highest elected position in our government. (Epic eye-roll)
Because the electorate is not qualified and does not have the security clearance to understand the depth of Trump’s crimes. Maybe we should just let the electorate update the constitution while we’re at it. Those in favor of amending the 2nd commandment, tick the box….
Yes, CBok, let’s just ignore the Constitution and the House’s oversight role over a renegade/rogue president. The obstruction of justice, treason, emolluents violations etc. he supposedly committed were minor, not rising to the level of impeachable offenses. Besides, that was just Hair Groppenfuror acting and talking the way he always has, those acts were just in keeping with Donnie being Donnie…/s
Trump abused his power. That is a horrible precedent to set for the future. What if Trump decides to use the IRS or the FBI to investigate you just because he doesn’t like you? Are you okay with that? Presidents have a lot of power. We have to make sure they don’t abuse it.
The voters did.. by a wide margin but the Electoral College thing defeated democracy. No reason to think it wont happen again.. or the voting machines are rigged.. trump and his team will have had 4 years to refine the cheating.
Just saying, the constitution includes impeachment for a reason. It also puts the power of impeachment in the hands of the House. People voted for the House which is running the impeachment inquiry. Ergo, Voters DID decide Trump’s fate.
For those like Bok who are willfully ignorant, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence committee, every intelligence agency, and as extensively documented in the Mueller report, Putin interfered in the 2016 election is planning to do so again in 2020. The response by trump, Moscow Mitch, and trump supporters is to let them. So the real question you’re asking is, What’s wrong with treason?
Just voting him out is not enough. Future Trumps need to understand the man was corrupt and anti-rule of law + anti-Constitution. The impeachment process will prove he broke the law. Won’t change his base = True Believers (by Eric Hoffer). Hopefully will change Independents.
“The Alarming Scope of the President’s Emergency Powers”From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things.
Anyone else ever wondered why the Presidential Election is the ONLY ONE in THE ENTIRE COUNTRY where the candidate getting FEWER VOTES THEN THEIR OPPONENT, like the shrub AND The Treasonweasel did, can STILL be appointed “The Winner”????
When Mitch declared that making Election Day a Federal Holiday – i.e. making it easier for people to vote – is nothing more than a “power grab” by the Democrats, any suggestion of “letting the people decide” is a pipe dream.https://tinyurl.com/yyrenpqy
Because FATUS committed an impeachable offense and must be removed from office. If Obama had done this, conservatives would be running around, screeching and throwing their feces around like Capuchin monkeys.
Chip, Trump has already committed crimes. Why should he be left in office to continue to commit MORE crimes? Look at the massive amount of money that is being spent for Trump to play golf at his own properties while pocketing those profits. He violates the emoluments clause daily, does the bidding of Putin and other dictators like Erdogan, and betrays long-term U.S. allies.
As others here have pointed out, the voters chose HRC. But the cap added to the number in the House combined with the 2 Senators per state have given 3 – 4 times more weight to the votes in some states over others.
So the right has just stopped pretending and now are literally arguing that Trump IS above the law. That is their last defense… Trump is above the law… no exaggeration… they actually used this defense in a court of law.
“A U.S. district judge rejected Trump’s argument that a sitting president is immune from all investigation and prosecution in an October 7 ruling, calling the effort to prohibit investigations of the president ‘repugnant.’”
Funny you should mention it, Chip. That’s actually something of a sore point, and not just with Trump’s history. Republicans keep “winning” even while getting fewer votes from actual citizens, as opposed to the votes of a codged-up “college” of surrogates.
Besides, drastic redress for abuse of power (which is what politicians in the 18th cent. meant by “high crimes and misdemeanors”) is written into the constitution for a reason, and while I’m sure that a president like Trump was well beyond the founding fathers’ imagining, they did recognize that the wrong person as chief executive could go far to destroy constitutional order altogether and that waiting around for an election might be too late (not to mention the possibility that corrupt power might corrupt elections). And I think it’s fair to say that Trumpy’s threat to the survival of contitutional order is greater by several orders of magnitude than getting B.J. in the oval office.
That’s like not calling the police and arresting the dangerous criminal you knowingly allowed to move next door just because he is moving away in a few months.
1) Because there’s no Constitutional provision for a ballot to decide whether he’s guilty, only whether to elect him to an office. (In particular, there’s no law to prohibit the election of a convicted criminal, though conviction upon impeachment does carry such a prohibition.)
2) Ordinarily, an individual accused of a serious crime is kept imprisoned until the jury delivers its verdict (and beyond, if the verdict is “guilty”). In Trump’s case, Chip, would you be okay with that… i.e., Trump in jail until the conclusion of the 2020 election?
3) That “us voters” in the cartoon stands out. As opposed to all the other voters, Chip?
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 4 years ago
Yes, why don’t you let the Rump cheat his way up again?
Concretionist over 4 years ago
I’ve got an idea. Let’s let all the voters decide. Minus gerrymandering. With reasonable access to the vote for all citizens. Oh, and with an agreement among the states to make the electoral college actually reflect the voters’ will.
RAGs over 4 years ago
Let’s have a Bok-anal-ia, where we can celebrate how the VOTERS chose Hillary while a cabal in the electoral “college” gave the office to Trump.
Daeder over 4 years ago
We didn’t let the voters decide last time, why would you think they’d suddenly allow it this time?
More to the point, why the hell do you think letting the voters decide would help Individual 1?
Not to mention the fact that voting is not how the justice system deals with criminals.
Christopher Shea over 4 years ago
I’m sorry, does your edition of the Constitution say, “If the president is suspected of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, just wait a year or more until the next election, that’ll fix it”?
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 4 years ago
Let’s just wait for the Rump to shoot someone on fifth avenue and see if he will be voted back.
braindead Premium Member over 4 years ago
Chip, why not let the impeachment process continue AS SPECIFIED IN THE CONSTITUTION?
Why not hold YOUR GUY accountable for all the crimes he has committed?
While you’re at it, please explain why you want Ukraine to again be ruled by a Putin puppet government.
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#TraitorTrump
Zev over 4 years ago
Why not let the voters decide. Because Donnie has been, with the GOP’s blessing, breaking innumerable laws throughout his first term. He should be in the slammer, not campaigning for the highest elected position in our government. (Epic eye-roll)
Ontman over 4 years ago
A simple minded cartoon but times are desperate.
Patjade over 4 years ago
Well, 5 million less people than the total voting population and 3 million less than the “losing” candidate.
jmworacle over 4 years ago
At last the truth!
brit-ed over 4 years ago
Because the electorate is not qualified and does not have the security clearance to understand the depth of Trump’s crimes. Maybe we should just let the electorate update the constitution while we’re at it. Those in favor of amending the 2nd commandment, tick the box….
mourdac Premium Member over 4 years ago
Yes, CBok, let’s just ignore the Constitution and the House’s oversight role over a renegade/rogue president. The obstruction of justice, treason, emolluents violations etc. he supposedly committed were minor, not rising to the level of impeachable offenses. Besides, that was just Hair Groppenfuror acting and talking the way he always has, those acts were just in keeping with Donnie being Donnie…/s
Masterskrain Premium Member over 4 years ago
So, ask Matt Bevin about that…
walfishj over 4 years ago
Yes, let us let the voters and not the electoral college decide.
suzalee over 4 years ago
Trump abused his power. That is a horrible precedent to set for the future. What if Trump decides to use the IRS or the FBI to investigate you just because he doesn’t like you? Are you okay with that? Presidents have a lot of power. We have to make sure they don’t abuse it.
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 4 years ago
The voters did.. by a wide margin but the Electoral College thing defeated democracy. No reason to think it wont happen again.. or the voting machines are rigged.. trump and his team will have had 4 years to refine the cheating.
cdward over 4 years ago
Just saying, the constitution includes impeachment for a reason. It also puts the power of impeachment in the hands of the House. People voted for the House which is running the impeachment inquiry. Ergo, Voters DID decide Trump’s fate.
quixotic3 over 4 years ago
For those like Bok who are willfully ignorant, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence committee, every intelligence agency, and as extensively documented in the Mueller report, Putin interfered in the 2016 election is planning to do so again in 2020. The response by trump, Moscow Mitch, and trump supporters is to let them. So the real question you’re asking is, What’s wrong with treason?
jhayesd31 over 4 years ago
Because without impeachment Trump IS GOING TO GET HELP FROM OUR ENEMIES.
Thea airwaves will be Flooded with Russian Lies Funneled through the NRA. The RNC and the Koch brothers
Librarylady over 4 years ago
Just voting him out is not enough. Future Trumps need to understand the man was corrupt and anti-rule of law + anti-Constitution. The impeachment process will prove he broke the law. Won’t change his base = True Believers (by Eric Hoffer). Hopefully will change Independents.
Librarylady over 4 years ago
“The Alarming Scope of the President’s Emergency Powers”From seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/
Teto85 Premium Member over 4 years ago
Chip, have you been eating a bowl of stupid for breakfast every morning? It sure seems like it.
Radish the wordsmith over 4 years ago
Every time the majority vote Dem and then a snarky hateful Republican gets in anyway, its a total disaster for the country. You never learn.
Radish the wordsmith over 4 years ago
Take a lesson from Virginia and Kentucky if you want to guess the will of the people in the next vote.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 4 years ago
Anyone else ever wondered why the Presidential Election is the ONLY ONE in THE ENTIRE COUNTRY where the candidate getting FEWER VOTES THEN THEIR OPPONENT, like the shrub AND The Treasonweasel did, can STILL be appointed “The Winner”????
Kurtass Premium Member over 4 years ago
Because the voters do not decide, the electoral college does.
Also, no one is above the law. If it was a Democrat breaking the laws trump has, he/she would have been impeached already.
nomomaniacs over 4 years ago
Because breaking the law is not a popularity contest. Nobody gets “voted” in or out of jail.
Dani Rice over 4 years ago
When Mitch declared that making Election Day a Federal Holiday – i.e. making it easier for people to vote – is nothing more than a “power grab” by the Democrats, any suggestion of “letting the people decide” is a pipe dream.https://tinyurl.com/yyrenpqy
https://tinyurl.com/ybvqtvh2
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member over 4 years ago
Because FATUS committed an impeachable offense and must be removed from office. If Obama had done this, conservatives would be running around, screeching and throwing their feces around like Capuchin monkeys.
rlaker22j over 4 years ago
that will happen when pigs fly
Seriously?? Premium Member over 4 years ago
So criminality is acceptable because people voted for a criminal?
Nantucket Premium Member over 4 years ago
Chip, Trump has already committed crimes. Why should he be left in office to continue to commit MORE crimes? Look at the massive amount of money that is being spent for Trump to play golf at his own properties while pocketing those profits. He violates the emoluments clause daily, does the bidding of Putin and other dictators like Erdogan, and betrays long-term U.S. allies.
As others here have pointed out, the voters chose HRC. But the cap added to the number in the House combined with the 2 Senators per state have given 3 – 4 times more weight to the votes in some states over others.
Jimathai Premium Member over 4 years ago
So the right has just stopped pretending and now are literally arguing that Trump IS above the law. That is their last defense… Trump is above the law… no exaggeration… they actually used this defense in a court of law.
“A U.S. district judge rejected Trump’s argument that a sitting president is immune from all investigation and prosecution in an October 7 ruling, calling the effort to prohibit investigations of the president ‘repugnant.’”
walkingmancomics over 4 years ago
Uh, Chip? Mr. Bok? The voters DID decide last time, for Clinton! The electoral college decided for Trump.
All the dinosaurs feared the T-Rex over 4 years ago
Sigh… FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME… He lost the popular vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gcottay over 4 years ago
Why not? Because of the legislative duties under our constitution.
DeepState over 4 years ago
Why let a criminal off the hook?
davidthoms1 over 4 years ago
Someone tell Chip that Trump had 3 million fewer votes in the last election. Or is reality to hard for him?
DrPawl over 4 years ago
In order to make an informed decision, voters need to know what President Trump did. Just think of this impeachment as a source of information.
AndrewSihler over 4 years ago
Funny you should mention it, Chip. That’s actually something of a sore point, and not just with Trump’s history. Republicans keep “winning” even while getting fewer votes from actual citizens, as opposed to the votes of a codged-up “college” of surrogates.
Besides, drastic redress for abuse of power (which is what politicians in the 18th cent. meant by “high crimes and misdemeanors”) is written into the constitution for a reason, and while I’m sure that a president like Trump was well beyond the founding fathers’ imagining, they did recognize that the wrong person as chief executive could go far to destroy constitutional order altogether and that waiting around for an election might be too late (not to mention the possibility that corrupt power might corrupt elections). And I think it’s fair to say that Trumpy’s threat to the survival of contitutional order is greater by several orders of magnitude than getting B.J. in the oval office.
Stephen Runnels Premium Member over 4 years ago
That’s like not calling the police and arresting the dangerous criminal you knowingly allowed to move next door just because he is moving away in a few months.
DrDon1 over 4 years ago
Appears that Bok studied the U.S. Constitution at Trump University!
gammaguy over 4 years ago
“Why not let us voters decide?”
1) Because there’s no Constitutional provision for a ballot to decide whether he’s guilty, only whether to elect him to an office. (In particular, there’s no law to prohibit the election of a convicted criminal, though conviction upon impeachment does carry such a prohibition.)
2) Ordinarily, an individual accused of a serious crime is kept imprisoned until the jury delivers its verdict (and beyond, if the verdict is “guilty”). In Trump’s case, Chip, would you be okay with that… i.e., Trump in jail until the conclusion of the 2020 election?
3) That “us voters” in the cartoon stands out. As opposed to all the other voters, Chip?