We need to see the FULL Mueller report, so we can understand HOW he reached the conclusions he did.
We know from the public record that there was contact between the Trump campaign and Russians.
1. The Trump Tower meeting to get “dirt” on Hillary
2. Roger Stone’s contacts with WikiLeaks and Guccifer 2.0
3. Trump publicly calling on Russia to hack Hillary’s server
4. Paul Manafort giving polling data to Russians
We need to find out what details Mueller uncovered, how he evaluated them, and how he determined that this did not rise to the level of conspiracy or coordination. Did he find no relevance at all? Or did he find relevance that might be troubling but simply did not rise to the level but might be troubling?
We need to see the actual data, the actual documents, the actual evidence, not a summation by a biased attorney general with a history of covering up for Republicans.
When America has been its greatest has been when partisanship has ebbed and “compromise” was not a forbidden word. Our tortured binary forces the plurality (registered independent/unaffiliated voters) to chose not the best and brightest but the least evil of the two. By now the electorate should have realized that change will not come from the top … what possible motive would a career politician want to change the status quo and end his/her reign of power.
Change needs to originate on the grassroots level and the binary political stranglehold must end the elimination of all ideas/candidates that are independent. We need a unifying Congress that works to improve the federal government for all Americans. If Congress members are concerned about their state then they should be part of state government not federal. Just look at the approval rating of Congress and you can see that they are not working for national interests but trying to impose their home rules on the nation.
I don’t feel that the resident or either party is up to the task of governing the nation … and I have serious doubts that that could govern a state, city, or even a small town effectively. We should be governed by representatives that match our age, wealth, gender, and diversity in a constitutional democratic republic not by wealthy, hands-off, older (mostly male) that do not understand today’s technology (or fear it). Has incompetency become a tradition in American politics?
AMERICAN VOTERS, you KNOW what to do in 2020. Bounce his corrupt butt out of the White House! Not to mention sending Yertle the Turtle McConshell to his LONG OVERDUE RETIREMENT.
Barr puts out his opinion of the report of a 2+ year investigation given to him less than 48hrs earlier and everyone believes him. The republicans start processes to block the release of the report. Let the report become public and then make a decision on what is in it. At the moment I see more obstruction than revelation.
Given the bases of several convictions and confessions there were attempts at collusion (which is itself a crime) by multiple members of the campaign, and at least one (Manafort) was in a situation in which his laundered money and tax scam could be held over him by the Russians and Russian allies who helped him do it (which is why the trial about his finances was held first).
Now some might say that despite multiple attempts at collusion that the campaign would not have done it if the opportunity arose. To that my response is “Huh? Then why so many people spending time trying?”.
The current interesting questions are these:
Is an employer responsible for the actions of his employees that were taken for his campaign, business, mob, drug cartel, whichever-type-of-entity when they were employees with whom he met?
If an employer (or mob boss if someone then uses it as a precedent) is not responsible for the actions of those he employs then is it collusion if he attempts to obstruct them talking about their own crimes, or is it obstruction only if he himself is charged with the crimes that were related to the obstruction attempts no matter how public those attempts were?
We might soon get courts creating some strange precedents which might be expanded in defenses by drug lords, CEOs of companies which endanger employees or pollute badly, and heads of mobs.
I was surprised Mueller didn’t wait to release his Report until career criminal Roger Stone flipped on Trump. Even without that, though, hell the HELL Mueller couldn’t conclude that a meeting in Trump Tower between career criminal Paul Manafort and rising criminals Don Jr. and Jared and representatives of an enemy dictator wasn’t collusion, I’ll never know. (Only an American baby would believe that the meeting was about Russian babies.)
Of course, it was no surprise at all that Trump didn’t testify under oath: as a pathological liar who literally cannot NOT lie, he would have started out something like this:
“Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?”
“I ALWAYS tell nothing but the truth, the whole bigliest truth, the YUGEST truth, the best truths with the best words. And Mexico will pay for this Bible.”
Emerald Pixie about 5 years ago
We need to see the FULL Mueller report, so we can understand HOW he reached the conclusions he did.
We know from the public record that there was contact between the Trump campaign and Russians.
1. The Trump Tower meeting to get “dirt” on Hillary
2. Roger Stone’s contacts with WikiLeaks and Guccifer 2.0
3. Trump publicly calling on Russia to hack Hillary’s server
4. Paul Manafort giving polling data to Russians
We need to find out what details Mueller uncovered, how he evaluated them, and how he determined that this did not rise to the level of conspiracy or coordination. Did he find no relevance at all? Or did he find relevance that might be troubling but simply did not rise to the level but might be troubling?
We need to see the actual data, the actual documents, the actual evidence, not a summation by a biased attorney general with a history of covering up for Republicans.
Dtroutma about 5 years ago
Their still up his rear, so they’re listening.
Gypsy8 about 5 years ago
“Da, make Trump great again.”
GreggW Premium Member about 5 years ago
Try to figure out why and how Trump foreign policy has been taken over by anti-Russian neoconservatives?
superposition about 5 years ago
When America has been its greatest has been when partisanship has ebbed and “compromise” was not a forbidden word. Our tortured binary forces the plurality (registered independent/unaffiliated voters) to chose not the best and brightest but the least evil of the two. By now the electorate should have realized that change will not come from the top … what possible motive would a career politician want to change the status quo and end his/her reign of power.
Change needs to originate on the grassroots level and the binary political stranglehold must end the elimination of all ideas/candidates that are independent. We need a unifying Congress that works to improve the federal government for all Americans. If Congress members are concerned about their state then they should be part of state government not federal. Just look at the approval rating of Congress and you can see that they are not working for national interests but trying to impose their home rules on the nation.
I don’t feel that the resident or either party is up to the task of governing the nation … and I have serious doubts that that could govern a state, city, or even a small town effectively. We should be governed by representatives that match our age, wealth, gender, and diversity in a constitutional democratic republic not by wealthy, hands-off, older (mostly male) that do not understand today’s technology (or fear it). Has incompetency become a tradition in American politics?
Ontman about 5 years ago
If it’s not broken, don’t fix it, right Donnie?
Masterskrain Premium Member about 5 years ago
AMERICAN VOTERS, you KNOW what to do in 2020. Bounce his corrupt butt out of the White House! Not to mention sending Yertle the Turtle McConshell to his LONG OVERDUE RETIREMENT.
Kip W about 5 years ago
Trump’s special summary is eight words long, and three of those are “TRUMP.”
Frankfreak about 5 years ago
Barr puts out his opinion of the report of a 2+ year investigation given to him less than 48hrs earlier and everyone believes him. The republicans start processes to block the release of the report. Let the report become public and then make a decision on what is in it. At the moment I see more obstruction than revelation.
SukieCrandall Premium Member about 5 years ago
Okay, speaking as an INDEPENDENT:
Given the bases of several convictions and confessions there were attempts at collusion (which is itself a crime) by multiple members of the campaign, and at least one (Manafort) was in a situation in which his laundered money and tax scam could be held over him by the Russians and Russian allies who helped him do it (which is why the trial about his finances was held first).
Now some might say that despite multiple attempts at collusion that the campaign would not have done it if the opportunity arose. To that my response is “Huh? Then why so many people spending time trying?”.
The current interesting questions are these:
Is an employer responsible for the actions of his employees that were taken for his campaign, business, mob, drug cartel, whichever-type-of-entity when they were employees with whom he met?
If an employer (or mob boss if someone then uses it as a precedent) is not responsible for the actions of those he employs then is it collusion if he attempts to obstruct them talking about their own crimes, or is it obstruction only if he himself is charged with the crimes that were related to the obstruction attempts no matter how public those attempts were?
We might soon get courts creating some strange precedents which might be expanded in defenses by drug lords, CEOs of companies which endanger employees or pollute badly, and heads of mobs.
DrDon1 about 5 years ago
Another 2020 rallying cry … Repeal the ACA without a Replacement!
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
Russia attacked our electoral system in 2016 and republicans did nothing.
Russians are already attacking the 2020 election and republicans do nothing.
Are there any American Republicans left?
Godfreydaniel about 5 years ago
I was surprised Mueller didn’t wait to release his Report until career criminal Roger Stone flipped on Trump. Even without that, though, hell the HELL Mueller couldn’t conclude that a meeting in Trump Tower between career criminal Paul Manafort and rising criminals Don Jr. and Jared and representatives of an enemy dictator wasn’t collusion, I’ll never know. (Only an American baby would believe that the meeting was about Russian babies.)
Godfreydaniel about 5 years ago
Of course, it was no surprise at all that Trump didn’t testify under oath: as a pathological liar who literally cannot NOT lie, he would have started out something like this:
“Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?”
“I ALWAYS tell nothing but the truth, the whole bigliest truth, the YUGEST truth, the best truths with the best words. And Mexico will pay for this Bible.”
Radish the wordsmith about 5 years ago
Cruel Trump wants to end Obamacare, individual one is his own death panel.