Pat Oliphant for June 03, 2011

So?

“Conservatives” (read: RINOs) “go along” at their re-election peril!Boehner and his ilk are seeing the writing on the wall and wish to keep their cushy jobs and large offices.We in flyover country are coming for all of you RINOs that are even considering a debt ceiling raise regardless there being “cuts in spending” as “promised” by a fickle White House!!!

Why bother with a ceiling at all? Is it to force them to pause (and perhaps, think?) before they continue on their spending sprees?

Indeed, the debt is Bush’s legacy, along with invading and occupying Iraq based on lies about WMDs. The massive tax cuts for the wealthiest did not create jobs. In the long run, Obama’s health care reform will help lower the debt. We need to cut military spending and increase revenues. The GOP is now the Know-Nothings. With no ideas other than tax breaks for the rich, and the willful destruction of medicare and the environment, the Know-Nothings know nothing except to cry “austerity.” This will not create jobs or help the economy. They know this and care not.

Bill…hate to tell you, but you and the rest of the self proclaimed ‘real conservatives’ are a minority and a very small one at that. You’re not coming for ANYONE in 2012….so get used to the idea.

republicans live in an echo chamber. It convinces them that there are more of them than there really is….

Real conservatives are not an insignificant minority, Simon, they never have been. In America, about 40% of the population is right-wing conservative…about 30% is generally left-wing, and about 30% tends to sway one way or another depending on circumstances. -——————————————————————————Pavlov is right, the Republicans have been just as guilty as the Dems. It’s time to stop the “borrowing” and live within our means as well as make cuts.

Amen, Habenero & Pavlov. Both the Bush & Obama governments have increased the US Govt debt to astounding levels and it needs to stop.

The fly is the only honest creature in the cartoon.

And don’t forget Bush I and Reagan who, combined almost quadrupled the national debt. And this from a pair that said Carter’s $60 billion deficit was “immoral”. Reagan never came in less that double that.Yes both parties deserve some blame for the level of our debt but for Republicans to say their share is anything less than 65% is dishonest.Laffer economics hasn’t helped this country at all. The only reason Reagan said it did was because he benefited from the collapse of OPECs resolve in the early ’80’s and the massive stimulative effect of his wild deficit spending.Conservatives get all pissy about Cheney’s “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter” as a misquote – but the full quote is no more honest or true … “as long as the economy is growing faster” being the full quote. But the economy never grew as fast as Reagan was growing the debt.

Simple fact- Reagan’s policies quadrupled the debt, then “W” doubled that amount- period. The increases now are still just paying off the mortgage that “W” signed.

More simple facts for the factually chalenged:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/abushelofpinocchiosforpalin

The third one is relevant here.

I agree with Darkeforce.

Dems didn’t control the house in 2001, or 2003.

Reagan started his first term with 32.5% of debt/GDP and finished with 53.1%, an increase of 20.6% in eight years, almost doubling the debt.

It went up to 66.1% at the end of Bush I’s reign, an increase of 15%

Bush II raised debt by 27%

Obama has raised the debt by 9% in just over two years.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of being a TeaBagger.

But, but, but 9% of WHAT?Percnetages are very slippery things. Let’s talk REAL money:Don’t know the actual numbers for Reagan or Bush I but Clinton and Bush II combined amounted to aboiut 1 Trillion total increase whereas Obama increases have, thus far, amounted to about $2.5 TRILLION and he’s only been around for less than three years.Please note: Mr. Obama has done all this by fiat (Imperical rule) and without a budget.!!!The debt limit is his charge card and Congress, rightfully so, has cut him off!Using percentages are comparing apples to oranges. The actual dollar count is what is going to matter to our children and grandchildren.

The fly is the only clean creature in that room

Virtually every economist says that the U.S. defaulting on its debt for the first time in history would be a devastating blow to the already weak economy and could plunge it into chaos. In short, a BIG HOT FISCAL MESS of epic proportions. And yet Republicans are now floating the idea that it wouldn’t be so bad for the U.S. to default for a few days. If we needed more proof that the radical, wing-nut, aluminum headgear right has gone around the bend, here it is. There is nothing “conservative” about this.

The Flying None should resign, now!

dtroutma, you should read Architects of Ruin. It may give you a different perspective than simply blaming republicans.

“Get your charts out and look who was controlling the House when the debt went up.” Bush raised the debt ceiling SEVEN times! His administration added over $4 TRILLION in debt. Dems didn’t control jack for 6 of the 8 years Bush was in office. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-4486228-500803.html

Bill E & SABR, a bit of education without reading a book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1bZ-TiX8rA

BTW, I’ve told this story before, but my youngeer daughter worked in the mortgage lending business in the mid-80’s. She worked for a mortgage broker.

Seriously, those guys and the banks they worked for did not give a d@mn about repayment of mortgages. The money was made by delivering a breathing borrower. Broker and banker greed built this house (pun intended) of cards. It was bound to fail.

Sorry, but only in a fevered wing-nut imagination are bogeymen Saul Alinsly, Cloward & Pivens, and the dastardly CRA responsible for our crash.

Good ’Ol w started this whole mess with his greed for war and oil, well him and his axis of A-Holes, Dickie, Donnie and Karl

Thanks, charlie. That shows what happens when you take a blind ideological position and try to choose facts that fit.

towerwarlock also conveniently leaves out the fact that most of the recent increase in the deficit is not due to increased spending, but due to a huge drop in tax revenues. The massive job losses of 2008 and early 2009, frozen credit markets, and stock market declines that were Bush’s legacy led to a half-trillion dollar drop between ‘08 and ’09. That’s 20% of the federal government’s income gone before any of Obama’s policies took effect. BO didn’t cause a record deficit; he inherited an inevitable one.

A game the Republicans are d@mn good at. Look at all people shifting debt created during Bush’s administration onto Obama.

^Would they take Ms. Palin, too?

Debt is Debt and it doesn’t matter who started it. If you really want to look at things we have had problems now for 30 years. If you want to point fingers then look at yourself in the mirror for electing all the various members of congress. The Government is “We the People….” think about it and get out and vote for the best person not the party.