Hamid Karzai: This is my brother, Ahmed Wali Karzai, famous thug, warlord, and C.I.A. connection. You'll be expected to risk your life to protect him, also. Punk: Poppy?
the romans could not subdue the parthians . every empire from britain [ twice ] to the soviet union that has attempted to go into afghanistan has gotten their bleeep kicked .
i am sick of american hubris practiced by way upper–clbleeep people who have no feel for the common man . as of yesterday…since 2001…the “wars ” in iraq/afghanistan have cost american taxpayers 950 BILLION dollars .
Pardon my ignorance, but does the poppy flower also represent veterans in the USA?
Today’s the 4th of November, Remembrance Day is a week away on the 11th November. I read on wiki the poppy as a symbol for WW-I was based on a Canadian’s poem…
”Remembrance Day – also known as Poppy Day, Armistice Day (the event it commemorates) or Veterans Day – is a day to commemorate the sacrifices of members of the armed forces and of civilians in times of war, specifically since the First World War. It is observed on 11 November to recall the end of World War I on that date in 1918. (Major hostilities of World War I were formally ended at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.)”
The poppy’s significance to Remembrance Day is a result of Canadian military physician John McCrae’s poem In Flanders Fields. The poppy emblem was chosen because of the poppies that bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their red colour an appropriate symbol for the bloodshed of trench warfare.
And of course the poppy in Afghanistan symbolises something else…
The poppy of wartime remembrance is Papaver rhoeas, the red flowered Corn poppy
The mark of successful scum is how well they manage to find people to protect them, fund them and share the blame with them. Too bad the CIA still thinks of this guy as a resource.
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders Fields.
Poppies are not symbolic on Veteran’s Day in the US, but of course Oliphant is an Australian by birth (US citizen now). I’ve been to Adelaide…I understand why he left…
As a Viet-nam vet, I cannot believe that the Generals who think they can win this “war” don’t see, or refuse to see, the striking similarities to Nam. A population and it’s leaders, that sit on their asses while American troops fight their battles for them. Corruption is a way of life in that part of the world. Get out now and leave that s**t-hole to the natives.
After Viet Nam I thought our leaders would never jump in to a war of opportunity in Iraq. I was wrong. Cheney, the Viet Nam draft dodger wanted his friends at Halliburton to gorge on war profiteering.
Why the hell are we there anymore? We’ve got corrupt morons in our own government we need to worry about and any government that was supported by a western nation would collapse among fantatics anyway.
Afghan national epigram: “When God wants to punish a nation, he makes them invade Afghanistan.”
DrCanuck, I found your comment about the final verse of John McCrae’s poem of great interest. Not to step on any toes, but I believe W H Auden’s «September 1, 1939» better expresses the present situation :
I sit in one of the dives
On Fifty-second Street
Uncertain and afraid
As the clever hopes expire
Of a low dishonest decade:
Waves of anger and fear
Circulate over the bright
And darkened lands of the earth,
Obsessing our private lives;
The unmentionable odour of death
Offends the September night.
Accurate scholarship can
Unearth the whole offence
From Luther until now
That has driven a culture mad,
Find what occurred at Linz,
What huge imago made
A psychopathic god:
I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.
Exiled Thucydides knew
All that a speech can say
About Democracy,
And what dictators do,
The elderly rubbish they talk
To an apathetic grave;
Analysed all in his book,
The enlightenment driven away,
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.
Oldiegodad, I seriously think we should sign a petition to have that koran examined and found whether it supports peace or hatred and murderous tendancies as a form of propaganda.
There are copies of the Koran printed in English. You don’t need a petition. Go to the library and read it.
Much like the Bible, the Koran is open to interpretation. Just as some “Christian” fundamentalists use some Biblical passages as an justification to kill, some Muslim fundamentalists use certain passages of the Koran for their justification.
Ask a peaceful person, and he will tell you his religion inspires peace. Ask a warlike person, and he will tell you his religion calls on him to fight.
The Holy Bible is not telling me to cut off heads of infedels.
John 16:2,3
They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
It didn’t tell Christians in Medieval Europe to torture and murder millions of people in the name of converting them to Christianity. What’s your point?
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
The gift from Cheney/Bush keeps on giving.
ray32648 over 14 years ago
Maybe you forget the pair that didn’t prevent those 3000 deaths even though they were warned it was in the works. Were they “traitors” as well?
cartwrights over 14 years ago
And it wasn’t just americans who died that day, either. There were people of other nationalities in the twin towers, including Muslims.
revertemark over 14 years ago
does anyone in D.C. read history ?
the romans could not subdue the parthians . every empire from britain [ twice ] to the soviet union that has attempted to go into afghanistan has gotten their bleeep kicked .
i am sick of american hubris practiced by way upper–clbleeep people who have no feel for the common man . as of yesterday…since 2001…the “wars ” in iraq/afghanistan have cost american taxpayers 950 BILLION dollars .
enough is enough !
mark mac
RedStook over 14 years ago
The politicos come and go but business as usual triumphs.
lalas over 14 years ago
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Until they become my enemy: Joe Stalin Manuel Noriega Osama Bin Laden Karzai?
vhammon over 14 years ago
Olfart- Trans-Afghanistan oil and gas pipelines.
OmqR-IV.0 over 14 years ago
Do you see Punk offering a poppy?
Pardon my ignorance, but does the poppy flower also represent veterans in the USA?
Today’s the 4th of November, Remembrance Day is a week away on the 11th November. I read on wiki the poppy as a symbol for WW-I was based on a Canadian’s poem…
”Remembrance Day – also known as Poppy Day, Armistice Day (the event it commemorates) or Veterans Day – is a day to commemorate the sacrifices of members of the armed forces and of civilians in times of war, specifically since the First World War. It is observed on 11 November to recall the end of World War I on that date in 1918. (Major hostilities of World War I were formally ended at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice.)”
The poppy’s significance to Remembrance Day is a result of Canadian military physician John McCrae’s poem In Flanders Fields. The poppy emblem was chosen because of the poppies that bloomed across some of the worst battlefields of Flanders in World War I, their red colour an appropriate symbol for the bloodshed of trench warfare.
And of course the poppy in Afghanistan symbolises something else…
The poppy of wartime remembrance is Papaver rhoeas, the red flowered Corn poppy
The opium poppy, Papaver somniferum
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
^ it’s on our ten dollar bills
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
@Frog From the heroine addicts?
teslagirl over 14 years ago
The mark of successful scum is how well they manage to find people to protect them, fund them and share the blame with them. Too bad the CIA still thinks of this guy as a resource.
illostr8 over 14 years ago
Who the hell allow these idiots in the office(government) anyway , we’re fighting a pointless war anyway!!!!!!
Ronshua over 14 years ago
In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders Fields.
John McCraefritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
This is more appropriate to Oly’s 11/3 cartoon, but…
HAPPY GUY FAWKES DAY!!!
I wonder how the RC outreach to the disaffected C of E will appear by the light of these particular fires…
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
Poppies are not symbolic on Veteran’s Day in the US, but of course Oliphant is an Australian by birth (US citizen now). I’ve been to Adelaide…I understand why he left…
fritzoid Premium Member over 14 years ago
You can still see the occasional U.S. Vet selling poppies (from trays?) leading up to Nov. 11, but they’re rarer.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
No, the poem “in Flanders Field” is on the canadian ten dollar bill.
comYics over 14 years ago
Well at least a foreigner is making better cash than you from America.
Lt_Lanier over 14 years ago
I agree with Matthew Hoh about the Obama Admin’s handling of the war…
buffalo102 over 14 years ago
As a Viet-nam vet, I cannot believe that the Generals who think they can win this “war” don’t see, or refuse to see, the striking similarities to Nam. A population and it’s leaders, that sit on their asses while American troops fight their battles for them. Corruption is a way of life in that part of the world. Get out now and leave that s**t-hole to the natives.
deadheadzan over 14 years ago
After Viet Nam I thought our leaders would never jump in to a war of opportunity in Iraq. I was wrong. Cheney, the Viet Nam draft dodger wanted his friends at Halliburton to gorge on war profiteering.
Nurb over 14 years ago
Why the hell are we there anymore? We’ve got corrupt morons in our own government we need to worry about and any government that was supported by a western nation would collapse among fantatics anyway.
Afghan national epigram: “When God wants to punish a nation, he makes them invade Afghanistan.”
mhenriday over 14 years ago
DrCanuck, I found your comment about the final verse of John McCrae’s poem of great interest. Not to step on any toes, but I believe W H Auden’s «September 1, 1939» better expresses the present situation :
I sit in one of the dives On Fifty-second Street Uncertain and afraid As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade: Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives; The unmentionable odour of death Offends the September night.
Accurate scholarship can Unearth the whole offence From Luther until now That has driven a culture mad, Find what occurred at Linz, What huge imago made A psychopathic god: I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return.
Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again.
…
Henri
comYics over 14 years ago
Oldiegodad, I seriously think we should sign a petition to have that koran examined and found whether it supports peace or hatred and murderous tendancies as a form of propaganda.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
There are copies of the Koran printed in English. You don’t need a petition. Go to the library and read it.
Much like the Bible, the Koran is open to interpretation. Just as some “Christian” fundamentalists use some Biblical passages as an justification to kill, some Muslim fundamentalists use certain passages of the Koran for their justification.
Ask a peaceful person, and he will tell you his religion inspires peace. Ask a warlike person, and he will tell you his religion calls on him to fight.
comYics over 14 years ago
The Holy Bible is not telling me to cut off heads of infedels.
John 16:2,3 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.
Jason Allen over 14 years ago
It didn’t tell Christians in Medieval Europe to torture and murder millions of people in the name of converting them to Christianity. What’s your point?