So, I am confused. Is Skelly saying that the Durham report has declared Florida safe for LGBTQ+ people, or that the Trump campaign was investigated by the FBI because Trump is LGBTQ+? I guess he can be considered a person of color; orange is a color.
“A non sequitur fallacy is a statement or conclusion that does not follow logically from what preceded it. Non sequiturs can be responses that have nothing to do with the conversation or flawed conclusions “based” on what preceded them.” (Wiki)
Well there’s your problem. The Durham report was hack work by a Trump loyalist. You should read actual information. Oh, and a lot of us have spent plenty enough time in Florida to know what a dump it is.
We are inundated with negative information about anyone who considers running for a national office. When I was a kid, eons ago, candidates spent their money telling you how wonderful they were. It presented a rosy glow of opinion about all candidates. You felt that you were voting for the best candidate, but the other one was obviously pretty wonderful too.
Since then, both parties have become less interested in telling you about how great their candidate is and more interested in telling you that the opponent is awful. Any negative opposition research on a candidate is framed in as negative a way as possible and huge amounts of money are spent to plaster it all over the place, so you can’t avoid it. Then, when the general population has heard enough of that to have a bad opinion, they start blaming everything bad that has happened in recent history on the candidate. If that still isn’t working, they make up child sex rings being run out of a pizza parlor basement in a pizza parlor that doesn’t actually have a basement.
Hillary is the perfect example. She has done as much that can be verified for working class people as pretty much anyone. But, decades of negative Republican propaganda has convinced people that she’s the devil incarnate. No one who has that opinion can quite tell you why, because they had doubts that the negative stuff they heard was even true when they heard it. But enough negative eventually has to cloud anyone’s opinion.
The upshot of all this is that we believed in our government in 1950, and thought the people running it were pretty nice.In 2023, we have no faith in the people running the government and by extension, little in the country itself.
In reality, politicians are people— flaws included- now, and always. Accepting that all politicians are crap ( and the electoral college fiasco) is what allowed one that actually is crap to take over the White House and create the mess we are in now.
From Mike Lester the other day:“FLORIDA FUN FACTS: Florida has moved to the number one spot in the United States for black-owned businesses and number two for Hispanic and number two for women-owned businesses. -Black unemployment in Florida stood at 3.8 percent by the end of 2022, far lower than the national average of 6.1 percent, or California’s of 7.5 percent. -Florida has one of the largest black populations in the country—it has grown from 1.9 million to 3.2 million in the last 30 years. -I don’t blame the guy for telling blacks to stay out of Florida. He’s not stupid”. Reposted with permission.
What the heck is Kelly saying here? Hillary Clinton has nothing t all to say about this, it’s a statement from the NAACP. And what’s the Durham report got to do with it? That’s about the Trump Investigation. I get the feeling that the next hurricane that hit’s Florida will be blamed on Ms. Clinton citing proof from the Durham Report.
It is quite evident the Mr. Kelly has not read the Durham report! Though in his defense he hasn’t had enough time yet. No one can read it for more than ten minutes at a time without falling asleep! Also I don’t think the fascist tendencies of Ron DeSantis are mentioned in that report at all!
The 150 year history of the GOP was that supposedly they were the party that would keep their hands off of business. The new group, personified by DeSantis/Xi is only if the business supports the party’s message.
the joke ‘message’ here isn’t that florida is a mess. Mr. Kelly is saying that the guy doesn’t believe what she said because he says the Durham report says she is a liar. Simple joke ‘message’ with way too much commentary not addressing the cartoon’s actual point/message. But thank you all for your comments. When I don’t get a cartoon, I read the comments to see what smarter people than myself have gleaned from the cartoonist, so I can ‘get it.’
Special Counsel John Durham served up not an investigation, but an excuse for future partisan abuses.
In 2019, Trump was scorched by two massive reports detailing the assistance provided to his 2016 presidential campaign by Russian intelligence agencies. The first, by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, also presented evidence of obstruction of justice. The Mueller document was supplemented by the even weightier report of the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Richard Burr, a Republican from North Carolina.
The factual record presented by those two accounts was daming. Mueller’s investigation produced some three dozen indictments, seven guilty pleas, and one conviction at trial. Among those sent to prison was Trump’s own campaign chair, Paul Manafort. Mueller also documented the main elements of an obstruction of justice case against Trump—though Mueller heeded the internal Department of Justice rule against prosecuting a serving president.
Rather than endorse the theory of a global anti-Trump conspiracy, Durham settles into a long bill of grievances against the FBI. The agency’s methods, he argues, were too aggressive; its agents were too ready to believe the worst about Trump. The FBI had only enough information to justify a preliminary investigation, not a full one—a distinction the report carefully parses for some pages. This, in the end, is the gravamen of the Durham report: The FBI overreacted to the available information about Trump’s Russia contacts and should have moved more cautiously before advancing to the next phase of an investigation.
Jim Jordan won’t be able to ‘dig out of his hole’ after Durham report debacle
According to longtime Washington, D.C. observer Margaret Carlson, any hope that House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan (R-OH) might have had that the long-awaited special counsel John Durham report would bail out his flailing “weaponization” hearings has gone down in flames.
In her column for Washington Monthly, Carlson wrote that “Durham used to be somebody” before caustically adding that, after his latest endeavor, he has become “Ken Starr but without the charm.”
Noting that the Durham report provided no evidence of a conspiracy within the FBI to undercut Donald Trump, the columnist compared his work to similar investigations conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, who investigated CIA leaks, and the indictments that came out of Robert Mueller’s work and indictments linked to Russians colluding with Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.
As Carlson put it, “Unlike Mueller or Fitzgerald, the Barr-Durham duo got nothing. Their world tour did not unearth a sleeper cell of FBI liberals with NPR tote bags hounding a defenseless Trump. The bureau remains a bastion of conservative white males, heavy on the nice Fordham grads with bad haircuts I grew up with.”
One of the reasons I stopped my annual winter trip to Florida after 2012 (when Jeb was governor) was Florida was already starting to feel less safe for a single woman to travel in. Plus, all the laws against spending a few hours at a rest area to take a nap in one’s own camper, and other places that used to be safe, because the hotel and campground lobbies didn’t want anyone to spend a night anywhere for free, just give me a break. I utilized campgrounds most of my trip, but when I was trying to get to point A to point B, sometimes it’s nice to drive later than one would want to show up at a campground to waste money for a few hours of sleep. Ridiculous. I understand some people may abuse that, but most of us didn’t.
The Durham Report was a whitewash, I find it hard to imagine a black person wouldn’t recognize this. Hillary was right about the oranges of the investigation. Treasonist Trump and his Qcult ARE deplorable.
The Durham Report exposed a lot of things, but people like Hillary and even the Bidens are untouchable regardless of the report’s details or any other investigations. They got away with it and always will, so to speak, because the two tiered justice system will always cover and protect them.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member 11 months ago
How so Mr Kelley?
walter Premium Member 11 months ago
Appropriate moniker.
neddij Premium Member 11 months ago
So, I am confused. Is Skelly saying that the Durham report has declared Florida safe for LGBTQ+ people, or that the Trump campaign was investigated by the FBI because Trump is LGBTQ+? I guess he can be considered a person of color; orange is a color.
scote1379 Premium Member 11 months ago
W.T.F. ?
Havel 11 months ago
Yet another non sequitur:
“A non sequitur fallacy is a statement or conclusion that does not follow logically from what preceded it. Non sequiturs can be responses that have nothing to do with the conversation or flawed conclusions “based” on what preceded them.” (Wiki)
Next, 2+2= raspberry sorbet?
mourdac Premium Member 11 months ago
Earth to Kelley, your communications are once again totally garbled and full of distortions/lies.
gopher gofer 11 months ago
and besides, hunter’s laptop!!!
NeoconMan 11 months ago
What in the hail does the Durham Report have to do with Florida’s fascism?
cdward 11 months ago
Well there’s your problem. The Durham report was hack work by a Trump loyalist. You should read actual information. Oh, and a lot of us have spent plenty enough time in Florida to know what a dump it is.
suzalee 11 months ago
I don’t want the country to be like Florida.
Durak Premium Member 11 months ago
A quick google of HRC and the Durham Report reveals nothing but how he considered, FOUR times, to investigate Hillary but decided not to.
Why did he choose to do this? He clearly wanted to find dirt on her. No doubt he was encouraged to find dirt on her.
The problem for Durham is that there was nothing to find.
Li'l Dale 11 months ago
Durham report? I got Stephen King to finish!
Diane Lee Premium Member 11 months ago
We are inundated with negative information about anyone who considers running for a national office. When I was a kid, eons ago, candidates spent their money telling you how wonderful they were. It presented a rosy glow of opinion about all candidates. You felt that you were voting for the best candidate, but the other one was obviously pretty wonderful too.
Since then, both parties have become less interested in telling you about how great their candidate is and more interested in telling you that the opponent is awful. Any negative opposition research on a candidate is framed in as negative a way as possible and huge amounts of money are spent to plaster it all over the place, so you can’t avoid it. Then, when the general population has heard enough of that to have a bad opinion, they start blaming everything bad that has happened in recent history on the candidate. If that still isn’t working, they make up child sex rings being run out of a pizza parlor basement in a pizza parlor that doesn’t actually have a basement.
Hillary is the perfect example. She has done as much that can be verified for working class people as pretty much anyone. But, decades of negative Republican propaganda has convinced people that she’s the devil incarnate. No one who has that opinion can quite tell you why, because they had doubts that the negative stuff they heard was even true when they heard it. But enough negative eventually has to cloud anyone’s opinion.
The upshot of all this is that we believed in our government in 1950, and thought the people running it were pretty nice.In 2023, we have no faith in the people running the government and by extension, little in the country itself.
In reality, politicians are people— flaws included- now, and always. Accepting that all politicians are crap ( and the electoral college fiasco) is what allowed one that actually is crap to take over the White House and create the mess we are in now.
Rat's My Hero Premium Member 11 months ago
Kelley. you remain a true unfunny hack.
The Nodding Head 11 months ago
This is really so stupid that one must question Steve Kelley’s competence.
Jack7528 11 months ago
From Mike Lester the other day:“FLORIDA FUN FACTS: Florida has moved to the number one spot in the United States for black-owned businesses and number two for Hispanic and number two for women-owned businesses. -Black unemployment in Florida stood at 3.8 percent by the end of 2022, far lower than the national average of 6.1 percent, or California’s of 7.5 percent. -Florida has one of the largest black populations in the country—it has grown from 1.9 million to 3.2 million in the last 30 years. -I don’t blame the guy for telling blacks to stay out of Florida. He’s not stupid”. Reposted with permission.
ChristopherBurns 11 months ago
What the heck is Kelly saying here? Hillary Clinton has nothing t all to say about this, it’s a statement from the NAACP. And what’s the Durham report got to do with it? That’s about the Trump Investigation. I get the feeling that the next hurricane that hit’s Florida will be blamed on Ms. Clinton citing proof from the Durham Report.
davidthoms1 11 months ago
It is quite evident the Mr. Kelly has not read the Durham report! Though in his defense he hasn’t had enough time yet. No one can read it for more than ten minutes at a time without falling asleep! Also I don’t think the fascist tendencies of Ron DeSantis are mentioned in that report at all!
StackableContainers 11 months ago
Huh? that’s like comparing apples to a carburetor in a 1950 Ford Truck.
thelordthygod666 11 months ago
The 150 year history of the GOP was that supposedly they were the party that would keep their hands off of business. The new group, personified by DeSantis/Xi is only if the business supports the party’s message.
Radish the wordsmith 11 months ago
Durham report = Zero
cbedda 11 months ago
the joke ‘message’ here isn’t that florida is a mess. Mr. Kelly is saying that the guy doesn’t believe what she said because he says the Durham report says she is a liar. Simple joke ‘message’ with way too much commentary not addressing the cartoon’s actual point/message. But thank you all for your comments. When I don’t get a cartoon, I read the comments to see what smarter people than myself have gleaned from the cartoonist, so I can ‘get it.’
Radish the wordsmith 11 months ago
A Sinister Flop
Special Counsel John Durham served up not an investigation, but an excuse for future partisan abuses.
In 2019, Trump was scorched by two massive reports detailing the assistance provided to his 2016 presidential campaign by Russian intelligence agencies. The first, by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, also presented evidence of obstruction of justice. The Mueller document was supplemented by the even weightier report of the Senate Intelligence Committee, then chaired by Richard Burr, a Republican from North Carolina.
The factual record presented by those two accounts was daming. Mueller’s investigation produced some three dozen indictments, seven guilty pleas, and one conviction at trial. Among those sent to prison was Trump’s own campaign chair, Paul Manafort. Mueller also documented the main elements of an obstruction of justice case against Trump—though Mueller heeded the internal Department of Justice rule against prosecuting a serving president.
Rather than endorse the theory of a global anti-Trump conspiracy, Durham settles into a long bill of grievances against the FBI. The agency’s methods, he argues, were too aggressive; its agents were too ready to believe the worst about Trump. The FBI had only enough information to justify a preliminary investigation, not a full one—a distinction the report carefully parses for some pages. This, in the end, is the gravamen of the Durham report: The FBI overreacted to the available information about Trump’s Russia contacts and should have moved more cautiously before advancing to the next phase of an investigation.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/durham-report-fbi-trump-russia/674088/
Radish the wordsmith 11 months ago
Jim Jordan won’t be able to ‘dig out of his hole’ after Durham report debacle
According to longtime Washington, D.C. observer Margaret Carlson, any hope that House Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan (R-OH) might have had that the long-awaited special counsel John Durham report would bail out his flailing “weaponization” hearings has gone down in flames.
In her column for Washington Monthly, Carlson wrote that “Durham used to be somebody” before caustically adding that, after his latest endeavor, he has become “Ken Starr but without the charm.”
Noting that the Durham report provided no evidence of a conspiracy within the FBI to undercut Donald Trump, the columnist compared his work to similar investigations conducted by Patrick Fitzgerald, who investigated CIA leaks, and the indictments that came out of Robert Mueller’s work and indictments linked to Russians colluding with Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign.
As Carlson put it, “Unlike Mueller or Fitzgerald, the Barr-Durham duo got nothing. Their world tour did not unearth a sleeper cell of FBI liberals with NPR tote bags hounding a defenseless Trump. The bureau remains a bastion of conservative white males, heavy on the nice Fordham grads with bad haircuts I grew up with.”
Free Radical 11 months ago
The bull durham report was written before the investigation began. The most blatant piece of confirmation bias ever presented
GiantShetlandPony 11 months ago
The nothing burger Durham report?
One of the reasons I stopped my annual winter trip to Florida after 2012 (when Jeb was governor) was Florida was already starting to feel less safe for a single woman to travel in. Plus, all the laws against spending a few hours at a rest area to take a nap in one’s own camper, and other places that used to be safe, because the hotel and campground lobbies didn’t want anyone to spend a night anywhere for free, just give me a break. I utilized campgrounds most of my trip, but when I was trying to get to point A to point B, sometimes it’s nice to drive later than one would want to show up at a campground to waste money for a few hours of sleep. Ridiculous. I understand some people may abuse that, but most of us didn’t.
Florida, where freedom goes to die.
wildthing 11 months ago
The Durham Report was a whitewash, I find it hard to imagine a black person wouldn’t recognize this. Hillary was right about the oranges of the investigation. Treasonist Trump and his Qcult ARE deplorable.
IndyW 11 months ago
The Durham Report exposed a lot of things, but people like Hillary and even the Bidens are untouchable regardless of the report’s details or any other investigations. They got away with it and always will, so to speak, because the two tiered justice system will always cover and protect them.
Rich Douglas 11 months ago
Nothing more lame than the Durham Report.
Nantucket Premium Member 11 months ago
The Durham report didn’t have any real substance.
wirepunchr 11 months ago
Is the Durham Report found in the fiction section of the local library?