What Kelley hasn’t understood (and possibly not Musk) is that Twitter is not just in the USA. And other nations actually have laws about what kind of content can be displayed. Things like preventing egregious lies or inciting illegal behavior.
What an interesting change. I do so enjoy how liberals are freaking out about it. Now they won’t be able to censor opposing view points and hide things they find inconvenient, like Hunter Biden’s laptop, the situation at the border and so much more.
Things just got a lot harder for social fascists to hide and suppress other view points and ‘inconvenient’ information.
As if Twitter has ever been a reliable source for information for people with intelligence, unlike dummies like warcat who get all of their “facts” from social media, blogs, and talk radio. LOL
How nice that Twitter will be a bastion of free speech, Perhaps that will inspire Republicans to promote similar freedom by ending gag orders on physicians and other health care providers, lifting book bans, and reversing legislation restricting teachers and professors.
No you can be as woke as you want and we can criticize it as much a we can, then we can debate it and the maybe we learn from each other and then you got a democracy … see how it works?
“free speech” does not absolve responsibility. We (USA) like to pick phrases or memes to stand as shorthand for a longer process. Idiots adopt the short phrase and ignore the origin. Examples “Law and Order” when we intend “Public Safety”. Law and Order locks people up instead of any attempt to correct the problem. I have more another day.Free speech worked in 1776. I’m not so certain it works with totally unregulated, uneducated people who ignore science and evidence. In particular those who are un-thoughtful twitter users believing truth can be contained in 144 character exclamations.
Mr. Kelly, It’s not about your freedom to spew the hateful, racist, and bigoted right-wing garbage rattling around in your head. (You have Parler and Trump Social for that). It’s about the fact you and yours are proud and willing to spread that right-wing garbage rattling around in your head in the first place that is concerning to everyone who knows racism and bigotry and hate are not something to be proud of.
Was there ever a time when speech was not regulated in this country? Was there ever a time when public speech (which Twitter is) did not have conform to standards of decency and truth? There has never been such a thing as “say whatever you want with consequences regardless of the damage it causes.” That’s not free speech — that’s dystopia.
Trump could not block users on Twitter for criticizing him because he was using the platform as part of his role as a public official. Twitter could block Trump from inciting the insurrection and can bounce tweets that have been shown to be inaccurate, like all of the fake Covid “cures”. They are not part of the government, so the First Amendment doesn’t apply.
I’m getting really tired of having to explain to right-wingers that the US “entitlement” of “free speech” in the Constitution prevents only the government from taking actions to suppress speech. Private companies have a perfect right to impose terms and conditions that prevent them from being used as a global platform to spread racism, misogyny, xenophobia, harassment, spurious claims about the 2020 US federal election that are an assault on our democratic system, and dangerous lies about a public health crisis.
It seems like libs never learned that the Mirror Lens on glasses go on the outside? Pointing them inward makes it seem that everything they are doing is seen as being done by Actual people. Not the fantasy characters they project onto themselves. They live in a Wish World, where they can make anything true, just by saying it is! Grow up.
First amendment free speech. Republicans want to take that away, they don’t want to hear any criticism.
GOP revolts against free speech: Republicans push anti-protest bills across the country
“This legislation would suppress protest by turning obstruction of traffic into a felony offense, robbing individuals of their right to vote if they are convicted of these new felony charges,” he told CNN. “It also offers immunity to drivers who run over protesters in the road and criminalizes speech that causes ‘emotional distress’ to or ‘frightens’ another person. This vague and troubling suppression of free speech can easily be abused, leading to the criminalization of protesters’ words and beliefs.”
“It’s the Republican response to the social justice protests a year ago, but nothing to the insurrection we saw in Washington D.C.,” NAACP Tennessee legal redress Van Turner echoed. “I shouldn’t lose my right to vote because I’m exercising my first amendment right to peacefully assemble in a protest,” he added, drawing on the fact that felons are stripped of their right to vote.
Here is some free speech from the leader of the republican party.
Trump Warns of Killer ‘Tomatoes, Pineapples, and Bananas’ in Court Docs
rump was testifying under oath in a civil lawsuit brought by protesters alleging they were assaulted by his security guards outside his New York offices in 2015. Of particular interest to lawyers representing the protesters were Trump’s remarks during a campaign speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on Feb. 1, 2016, in which he told attendees: “If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, just knock the crap out of them, would you?”
Asked why he made that specific request, Trump testified that his campaign had received a threat that day. “They were going to throw fruit,” he claimed. “And you get hit with fruit, it’s—no, it’s very violent stuff. We were on alert for that.”
Nearly 800 people have been arrested in connection to January 6, and more than 250 people have pleaded guilty to federal charges. Three people have been convicted by juries so far, with several more trials scheduled this spring.
So, we can leave all those books in the school libraries. No book burning today. And teachers can lead whatever discussions they want. Free speech works both ways.
To repeat myself: Dammit people, Constitutional “free speech” provides only that the government can’t silence you, not that you are entitled to say anything, anywhere, without interference from anyone.
And freedom of association. If Musk wants to buy Twitter and turn it into a private, members-only club, that would be his right. With Twitter’s permission, people are free to join in or join out. The public simply doesn’t have a say in this.
GeorgeInAZ about 2 years ago
For now, anyway.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member about 2 years ago
Repugnants are okay with "free speech as long as it isn’t “woke”.
RAGs about 2 years ago
Obviously the ultra-rightwing has never learned that Freedom entails responsibility
Daeder about 2 years ago
He probably also wants to be free to buy packs of cigarettes that don’t have a Surgeon General’s warning on them.
Concretionist about 2 years ago
What Kelley hasn’t understood (and possibly not Musk) is that Twitter is not just in the USA. And other nations actually have laws about what kind of content can be displayed. Things like preventing egregious lies or inciting illegal behavior.
brit-ed about 2 years ago
Then why do Trump and Musk both block people on their twitter feeds that disagree with them?
Bill.Franklin about 2 years ago
What an interesting change. I do so enjoy how liberals are freaking out about it. Now they won’t be able to censor opposing view points and hide things they find inconvenient, like Hunter Biden’s laptop, the situation at the border and so much more.
Things just got a lot harder for social fascists to hide and suppress other view points and ‘inconvenient’ information.
billopfer Premium Member about 2 years ago
As if Twitter has ever been a reliable source for information for people with intelligence, unlike dummies like warcat who get all of their “facts” from social media, blogs, and talk radio. LOL
kelloggs2066 about 2 years ago
Anyone remember when Liberals were in favor of Freedom, Live and Let Live, and Freedom of Speech, and Just Doing Their Thing?
The Nodding Head about 2 years ago
How nice that Twitter will be a bastion of free speech, Perhaps that will inspire Republicans to promote similar freedom by ending gag orders on physicians and other health care providers, lifting book bans, and reversing legislation restricting teachers and professors.
leonardonyc about 2 years ago
No you can be as woke as you want and we can criticize it as much a we can, then we can debate it and the maybe we learn from each other and then you got a democracy … see how it works?
Tzinger about 2 years ago
“free speech” does not absolve responsibility. We (USA) like to pick phrases or memes to stand as shorthand for a longer process. Idiots adopt the short phrase and ignore the origin. Examples “Law and Order” when we intend “Public Safety”. Law and Order locks people up instead of any attempt to correct the problem. I have more another day.Free speech worked in 1776. I’m not so certain it works with totally unregulated, uneducated people who ignore science and evidence. In particular those who are un-thoughtful twitter users believing truth can be contained in 144 character exclamations.
Stephen Runnels Premium Member about 2 years ago
Mr. Kelly, It’s not about your freedom to spew the hateful, racist, and bigoted right-wing garbage rattling around in your head. (You have Parler and Trump Social for that). It’s about the fact you and yours are proud and willing to spread that right-wing garbage rattling around in your head in the first place that is concerning to everyone who knows racism and bigotry and hate are not something to be proud of.
cdward about 2 years ago
Was there ever a time when speech was not regulated in this country? Was there ever a time when public speech (which Twitter is) did not have conform to standards of decency and truth? There has never been such a thing as “say whatever you want with consequences regardless of the damage it causes.” That’s not free speech — that’s dystopia.
Alberta Oil Premium Member about 2 years ago
Privileged to live in a country where propaganda (against its own citizens) is rampant? You are a fool.
kelloggs2066 about 2 years ago
I see by the Weather report there’s an increasing chance Sunshine and Freedom but with scattered Totalitarian Rants against Freedom of Speech today.
Jack7528 about 2 years ago
Good one!
Nantucket Premium Member about 2 years ago
Trump could not block users on Twitter for criticizing him because he was using the platform as part of his role as a public official. Twitter could block Trump from inciting the insurrection and can bounce tweets that have been shown to be inaccurate, like all of the fake Covid “cures”. They are not part of the government, so the First Amendment doesn’t apply.
Arthur I Romeo Premium Member about 2 years ago
Amen.
ChristopherBurns about 2 years ago
I don’t tweet and I have free speech. I have never been banned from Facebook or this site and I say what I want (I also follow their rules).
I don’t think the Right has a clue about what “free speech” means.
janiceg Premium Member about 2 years ago
I’m getting really tired of having to explain to right-wingers that the US “entitlement” of “free speech” in the Constitution prevents only the government from taking actions to suppress speech. Private companies have a perfect right to impose terms and conditions that prevent them from being used as a global platform to spread racism, misogyny, xenophobia, harassment, spurious claims about the 2020 US federal election that are an assault on our democratic system, and dangerous lies about a public health crisis.
BB71 about 2 years ago
I see a title of a movie or book coming out. “THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH”
elvisgirl3 about 2 years ago
It seems like libs never learned that the Mirror Lens on glasses go on the outside? Pointing them inward makes it seem that everything they are doing is seen as being done by Actual people. Not the fantasy characters they project onto themselves. They live in a Wish World, where they can make anything true, just by saying it is! Grow up.
grange Premium Member about 2 years ago
Free speech was originally meant to protect fair criticism of the government. Calumny and libel and disinformation were never supposed to be included.
StackableContainers about 2 years ago
I’d love it if the world was really as simplistic as ideologues seem to think it is.
hermit48 about 2 years ago
RW free speech is the “right” to gaslight.
"I can't take it anymore"" Premium Member about 2 years ago
bring on the misinformation train…
jhayesd31 about 2 years ago
He is happy that he gets to call George Soros a Nazi without getting sued for slander.
He gets to claim that the election was rigged without proof.
He gets to claim that Jan 6th was a conspiracy of LEFTISTS.
He gets to claim that School shootings were staged with Child Actors.
When he does these things we need to sue him, and Twitter and Elon Musk personally.
Rise22 about 2 years ago
EVERYONE is entitled to free speech. Period.
ibFrank about 2 years ago
But we already “Truth Social” if you want free speech.
Radish the wordsmith about 2 years ago
First amendment free speech. Republicans want to take that away, they don’t want to hear any criticism.
GOP revolts against free speech: Republicans push anti-protest bills across the country
“This legislation would suppress protest by turning obstruction of traffic into a felony offense, robbing individuals of their right to vote if they are convicted of these new felony charges,” he told CNN. “It also offers immunity to drivers who run over protesters in the road and criminalizes speech that causes ‘emotional distress’ to or ‘frightens’ another person. This vague and troubling suppression of free speech can easily be abused, leading to the criminalization of protesters’ words and beliefs.”
“It’s the Republican response to the social justice protests a year ago, but nothing to the insurrection we saw in Washington D.C.,” NAACP Tennessee legal redress Van Turner echoed. “I shouldn’t lose my right to vote because I’m exercising my first amendment right to peacefully assemble in a protest,” he added, drawing on the fact that felons are stripped of their right to vote.
https://www.alternet.org/2021/04/gop-free-speech/
Radish the wordsmith about 2 years ago
Here is some free speech from the leader of the republican party.
Trump Warns of Killer ‘Tomatoes, Pineapples, and Bananas’ in Court Docs
rump was testifying under oath in a civil lawsuit brought by protesters alleging they were assaulted by his security guards outside his New York offices in 2015. Of particular interest to lawyers representing the protesters were Trump’s remarks during a campaign speech in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, on Feb. 1, 2016, in which he told attendees: “If you see someone getting ready to throw a tomato, just knock the crap out of them, would you?”
Asked why he made that specific request, Trump testified that his campaign had received a threat that day. “They were going to throw fruit,” he claimed. “And you get hit with fruit, it’s—no, it’s very violent stuff. We were on alert for that.”
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-warns-killer-tomatoes-pineapples-005005850.html
librarylady59 about 2 years ago
Former cop who stormed Capitol guilty on all 6 counts in second Jan. 6 jury trial
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/former-cop-stormed-capitol-guilty-six-counts-second-jan-6-jury-trial-rcna23631
Jan. 6 rioter who re-enlisted in U.S. Army after attack pleads guilty
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-rioter-re-enlisted-us-army-attack-pleads-guilty-rcna25580
Nearly 800 people have been arrested in connection to January 6, and more than 250 people have pleaded guilty to federal charges. Three people have been convicted by juries so far, with several more trials scheduled this spring.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/politics/dustin-thompson-january-6-trump/index.html
“Hate will not win.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxWLUJeifE
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/04/mallory-mcmorrow-on-her-viral-speech-one-week-later.html
Radish the wordsmith about 2 years ago
Karen likes to complain.
I Play One On TV about 2 years ago
So, we can leave all those books in the school libraries. No book burning today. And teachers can lead whatever discussions they want. Free speech works both ways.
Say it loud, Republicans.
jack666 Premium Member about 2 years ago
To repeat myself: Dammit people, Constitutional “free speech” provides only that the government can’t silence you, not that you are entitled to say anything, anywhere, without interference from anyone.
Daeder about 2 years ago
Ah, springtime! When the Sophist Brigade is in full bloom!
walfishj about 2 years ago
“Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one.” H.L. Menken
schaefer jim about 2 years ago
Just depends on who peddling it!
wildthing about 2 years ago
Q reserves the “God” given right to burn books that conflict with whatever wedge issue we’re screaming about today.
dalton9529 about 2 years ago
People are free to be jerks. The rest of us are free to treat them like the jerks they are.
Rich Douglas about 2 years ago
And freedom of association. If Musk wants to buy Twitter and turn it into a private, members-only club, that would be his right. With Twitter’s permission, people are free to join in or join out. The public simply doesn’t have a say in this.
MuddyUSA Premium Member about 2 years ago
WOKE is for Progressive idjits!