In the first place, it’s clearly ego-driven. A bunch of old bachelors who think they’re better than anybody trying to bully someone who disagrees (though very carefully) with their (illegal in the US… so far) policy.
In the second place, as Ol’ Al notes, this is a power play by US Bishops, NOT by the RC Church itself.
In the third place is the meme I’ve seen going by: What if the US Bishops prevented child abuse by priests instead of trying to drive people away who disagree about a (wrong and stupid, imo) church policy?
And finally (for this post): I’d have some respect for those Bishops if they were pushing the church to provide good (even if RC) homes for every baby they would force into existence. But they’re not doing that. They’re trying to punish people who disagree with them or who even support the right of people to disagree.
Those same exact bishops would never deny communion to a Trump Disciple nor to Trump himself if he requested it. Nor would they deny communion to child abusing priests and bishops.
Because 500,000+ covid deaths massive corruption, and Treason are not really bad, especially not as bad as allowing women freedom.
.
And, as Zuhlamon points out above, Goodwyn is again LYING. That’s what Trump Disciples do.
Al, you should learn your Bible (as should the Catholic church), 31-34 “Here is a simple rule of thumb for behavior: Ask yourself what you want people to do for you; then grab the initiative and do it for them! If you only love the lovable, do you expect a pat on the back? Run-of-the-mill sinners do that. If you only help those who help you, do you expect a medal? Garden-variety sinners do that. If you only give for what you hope to get out of it, do you think that’s charity? The stingiest of pawnbrokers does that.
35-36 “I tell you, love your enemies. Help and give without expecting a return. You’ll never—I promise—regret it. Live out this God-created identity the way our Father lives toward us, generously and graciously, even when we’re at our worst. Our Father is kind; you be kind. From The Message version
Democratic congressman blasts Catholic bishops as ‘hypocrites’ for trying to deny Biden communion
Biden has ‘totally ignored’ archbishops trying to find way to ‘discipline him’, theology professor says
Democratic California Representative Ted Lieu slammed the US Conference of Catholic Bishops after they overwhelmingly voted to advance an official statement indicating that President Joe Biden should be blocked from receiving communion because of his pro-choice abortion views.
Mr Lieu criticised the Bishops after 74 per cent of them voted in favour of drafting a “teaching document” on the Holy Eucharist that would describe the meaning of communion.
The statement will also say whether Mr Biden and other public figures should be admonished and denied communion because of their stance on abortion.
Mr Lieu, a catholic himself, said the Bishops were “hypocrites” and “nakedly partisan”. He pointed out that the Bishops didn’t go after Trump Attorney General Bill Barr for his stance in favour of the death penalty, a measure the church also opposes.
“Dear [US Conference of Catholic Bishops]: I’m Catholic and you are hypocrites. You did not tell Bill Barr, a Catholic, not to take communion when he expanded killing human beings with the death penalty,” Mr Lieu tweeted.
“You are being nakedly partisan and you should be ashamed. Another reason you are losing membership,” he added.
Whatever the Church’s beliefs, valid or sensible or not, they have no business dictating America’s secular laws. There is still, and must always be, a clear separation of Church and State.
sipsienwa Premium Member almost 3 years ago
You can be pro-life and pro-choice. Many anti abortion people are pro-birth not pro-life. Force the woman to carry the fetus then abandon them.
ferddo almost 3 years ago
Another good reason to keep church and state separate…
DrDon1 almost 3 years ago
A lack of knowledge does not prevent Goodwyn from displaying it….
freshmeet2030 almost 3 years ago
Nice try, Al. No public funds go towards abortions. That wallet is empty.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
In the first place, it’s clearly ego-driven. A bunch of old bachelors who think they’re better than anybody trying to bully someone who disagrees (though very carefully) with their (illegal in the US… so far) policy.
In the second place, as Ol’ Al notes, this is a power play by US Bishops, NOT by the RC Church itself.
In the third place is the meme I’ve seen going by: What if the US Bishops prevented child abuse by priests instead of trying to drive people away who disagree about a (wrong and stupid, imo) church policy?
And finally (for this post): I’d have some respect for those Bishops if they were pushing the church to provide good (even if RC) homes for every baby they would force into existence. But they’re not doing that. They’re trying to punish people who disagree with them or who even support the right of people to disagree.
braindead Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Those same exact bishops would never deny communion to a Trump Disciple nor to Trump himself if he requested it. Nor would they deny communion to child abusing priests and bishops.
Because 500,000+ covid deaths massive corruption, and Treason are not really bad, especially not as bad as allowing women freedom.
.
And, as Zuhlamon points out above, Goodwyn is again LYING. That’s what Trump Disciples do.
grumpypophobart almost 3 years ago
Al, you should learn your Bible (as should the Catholic church), 31-34 “Here is a simple rule of thumb for behavior: Ask yourself what you want people to do for you; then grab the initiative and do it for them! If you only love the lovable, do you expect a pat on the back? Run-of-the-mill sinners do that. If you only help those who help you, do you expect a medal? Garden-variety sinners do that. If you only give for what you hope to get out of it, do you think that’s charity? The stingiest of pawnbrokers does that.
35-36 “I tell you, love your enemies. Help and give without expecting a return. You’ll never—I promise—regret it. Live out this God-created identity the way our Father lives toward us, generously and graciously, even when we’re at our worst. Our Father is kind; you be kind. From The Message version
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
Democratic congressman blasts Catholic bishops as ‘hypocrites’ for trying to deny Biden communion
Biden has ‘totally ignored’ archbishops trying to find way to ‘discipline him’, theology professor says
Democratic California Representative Ted Lieu slammed the US Conference of Catholic Bishops after they overwhelmingly voted to advance an official statement indicating that President Joe Biden should be blocked from receiving communion because of his pro-choice abortion views.
Mr Lieu criticised the Bishops after 74 per cent of them voted in favour of drafting a “teaching document” on the Holy Eucharist that would describe the meaning of communion.
The statement will also say whether Mr Biden and other public figures should be admonished and denied communion because of their stance on abortion.
Mr Lieu, a catholic himself, said the Bishops were “hypocrites” and “nakedly partisan”. He pointed out that the Bishops didn’t go after Trump Attorney General Bill Barr for his stance in favour of the death penalty, a measure the church also opposes.
“Dear [US Conference of Catholic Bishops]: I’m Catholic and you are hypocrites. You did not tell Bill Barr, a Catholic, not to take communion when he expanded killing human beings with the death penalty,” Mr Lieu tweeted.
“You are being nakedly partisan and you should be ashamed. Another reason you are losing membership,” he added.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/catholic-bishops-communion-joe-biden-b1869030.html
Frankfreak almost 3 years ago
Biden is much more prolife than many. (and no, there is no taxpayer funded abortion) And America is founded on freedom and choice.
RonaldHeater almost 3 years ago
Abortion is an abomination. It’s murder.
The Nodding Head almost 3 years ago
I guess the American bishops aren’t satisfied with simply losing members. They want a hemorrhage.
Teto85 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Thank dog my family is atheist.
apfelzra Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Whatever the Church’s beliefs, valid or sensible or not, they have no business dictating America’s secular laws. There is still, and must always be, a clear separation of Church and State.
christelisbetty almost 3 years ago
There’s that tiny thing called separation of church and state. Do the bishops want to start paying taxes ?