If it’s the Northern Irish Border, isn’t it more the age old problem of the Catholics and the Protestants? You know…“Religion”, the bringer of “peace”???
Put border control to enter Britain in English Ports and to enter the Common Market in Irish ports, and leave the Irish to ignore their interior border and both sides would prefer.
According to an Irish colleague of mine, the UK is totally unrealistic about the border, apparently thinking that it never “really” was a hard border before the EU. In fact, it was, quite hard.
@guyjen2004 – HAHAHA! In what way have the Brits and Irish NOT been European?
First of all, the Irish have no intention of leaving – only the Northern Irish, who are still tied to Great Britain.
Second of all, Churchill himself apparently moved towards Europe after the war: “We must build a kind of United States of Europe.”
Also: “We genuinely wish to join a European free trade area – and if our continental friends wish to reach agreement, I am quite sure a way can be found and that reasonable adjustments can be made to meet the essential interests of all.”
Finally, if you are talking about anything to do with heritage, you should know that Britain’s gene pool includes Danes (who ruled the central area in the Viking age), Norwegians (all over Ireland, and also the founders of Normandy), Romans, other Germanic peoples, etc. It’s hard to even understand how you could say they weren’t European!
The tragedy here is that Putin has been entirely too successful in undermining those who have most effective in restraining Russian imperialism: the US and Europe. And the idea that violence will recur in Ireland as a consequence of Brexit is just agonizing to me.
The British P.M. advanced a plan that would have “fixed” the problem of the border between Erie and Northern Ireland, but that plan was roundly defeated!
As an American, I have no idea why it was rejected (I can’t even keep up with our own internal quibbles), but, if they follow the old “American” model, they’ll fuss and yell right to the last second – and then solve the crisis.
If, on the other hand, they follow the new Trumpian American plan – they’re screwed!
The last we’ll see of Britain is PM May’s head sinking beneath the waves of the English Channel as Parliament continues to argue and fight.
And, yes, I DO HAVE a dog in the fight – sort of! Though I self-identify as Amerind, at least one of my ancestors was Welsh so my family has a long history of being subjugated by the English. I harbor little antipathy toward the English, however, and it pains me greatly to see them ‘slipping’ into the “stupidity” we’re into on this side of the “Pond”!
And, in both cases, the blame lies squarely upon Vladimir Putin’s shoulders, in my opinion!
…and no doubt the bombs will be part funded by American Fenians who screamed blue murder when terrorism visited them but were tone deaf to the harm it did to Ireland, and the rest of the United Kingdom.
JohnHarry Premium Member about 5 years ago
You have three guesses – the first 2 don’t count.
guyjen2004 Premium Member about 5 years ago
Brits and Irish have never been Europeans and should have never joined the EU.
Masterskrain Premium Member about 5 years ago
If it’s the Northern Irish Border, isn’t it more the age old problem of the Catholics and the Protestants? You know…“Religion”, the bringer of “peace”???
brwydave Premium Member about 5 years ago
Put border control to enter Britain in English Ports and to enter the Common Market in Irish ports, and leave the Irish to ignore their interior border and both sides would prefer.
martens about 5 years ago
According to an Irish colleague of mine, the UK is totally unrealistic about the border, apparently thinking that it never “really” was a hard border before the EU. In fact, it was, quite hard.
Motivemagus about 5 years ago
@guyjen2004 – HAHAHA! In what way have the Brits and Irish NOT been European?
First of all, the Irish have no intention of leaving – only the Northern Irish, who are still tied to Great Britain.
Second of all, Churchill himself apparently moved towards Europe after the war: “We must build a kind of United States of Europe.”
Also: “We genuinely wish to join a European free trade area – and if our continental friends wish to reach agreement, I am quite sure a way can be found and that reasonable adjustments can be made to meet the essential interests of all.”
Finally, if you are talking about anything to do with heritage, you should know that Britain’s gene pool includes Danes (who ruled the central area in the Viking age), Norwegians (all over Ireland, and also the founders of Normandy), Romans, other Germanic peoples, etc. It’s hard to even understand how you could say they weren’t European!
john_chubb about 5 years ago
Perhaps the Northern Irish should join their southern neighbors in endeavoring to eject English control and stay in the EU. Reunite Ireland!
Motivemagus about 5 years ago
The tragedy here is that Putin has been entirely too successful in undermining those who have most effective in restraining Russian imperialism: the US and Europe. And the idea that violence will recur in Ireland as a consequence of Brexit is just agonizing to me.
Guy Fawkes about 5 years ago
@guyjen2004 – Now what’s that going on in your noodle? Some kind of whanker, are ya? Bloody daft ideas… mad as a box of frogs.
Some Yanks can be a bit thick, but this one must be after the prize, saying Ireland and the UK are not European… Bollox!
wellis1947 Premium Member about 5 years ago
The British P.M. advanced a plan that would have “fixed” the problem of the border between Erie and Northern Ireland, but that plan was roundly defeated!
As an American, I have no idea why it was rejected (I can’t even keep up with our own internal quibbles), but, if they follow the old “American” model, they’ll fuss and yell right to the last second – and then solve the crisis.
If, on the other hand, they follow the new Trumpian American plan – they’re screwed!
The last we’ll see of Britain is PM May’s head sinking beneath the waves of the English Channel as Parliament continues to argue and fight.
And, yes, I DO HAVE a dog in the fight – sort of! Though I self-identify as Amerind, at least one of my ancestors was Welsh so my family has a long history of being subjugated by the English. I harbor little antipathy toward the English, however, and it pains me greatly to see them ‘slipping’ into the “stupidity” we’re into on this side of the “Pond”!
And, in both cases, the blame lies squarely upon Vladimir Putin’s shoulders, in my opinion!
Walter Kocker Premium Member about 5 years ago
Simply stated, Brexit is Britain’s Trump.
(and that’s not a good thing).
Snivelling_Wizard about 5 years ago
…and no doubt the bombs will be part funded by American Fenians who screamed blue murder when terrorism visited them but were tone deaf to the harm it did to Ireland, and the rest of the United Kingdom.