Right, why can’t we throw the children back over the border fence to beg on the streets of Juarez, and see if they can find parents somewhere? What has happened to our basic human need to punish poor children for the crimes of their parents?
that’s why the liberals are so good a punishing those trying to get off the government TIT. it had become a social problem because liberals did all the work to set it up under Carter and the Clinton and now it is bearing full fruit
I’ve never read such a moot argument before it’s been the problem for years, yet neither party can agree on anything much less immigration reform. Because it boils down to cheap labor and who uses it. read the Texas republicans party new platform tough on immigration, sure day and week visa’s to work in the state now theres immigration reform.
In the Declaration of Independence, in the list of tyrannical actions taken by the king, note the following:“He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither.”
The Obama Administration has exceeding all previous administrations in deporting illegal immigrants. Why aren’t the enemies of illegal immigration praising him?
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,With conquering limbs astride from land to land;Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall standA mighty woman with a torch, whose flameIs the imprisoned lightning, and her nameMother of Exiles. From her beacon-handGlows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes commandThe air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries sheWith silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”The New Colossus, written in 1883 by Emma Lazarus (1849-1887), and mounted on the Statue of Liberty in 1903, at a time when percentage of foreign-born people in the US population was higher than it is today, and at a time when everyone (well, everyone not Asian) could come into the United States to settle as long as they were healthy.
Sorry, Sharkie, it is true. Check any source you like. There have been more deportations (“removals”) under the Obama administration than in any previous administration.However, you would be correct in noting that there is more to the story than that. For example, folks who are caught coming over and are immediately sent back are called “returns” and there have been fewer of those. The number was declining all through the Bush years, and dropped when the crash came, because when the economy is really bad here, fewer people try to come in. Nevertheless, the fact remains that more than 2,000,000 people have been deported since Obama took office, and that is more than during any previous administration, and Obama still has a couple years to go. I never said the Declaration of Independence was law. However, it certainly does express that laws limiting immigration were considered tyrannical by the members of the Continental Congress in 1776. None of the Founding Fathers placed legal restrictions on who could enter the country and become citizens, as modern America has done. Small-government Libertarians, at least the ones who are not hypocrites, advocate a return to open borders. What makes you think you know what my agenda is? I just pointed out some facts. I made no policy recommendations. Here’s my view. This is not the 18th or 19th century, and 18th and 19th century notions of government have limited validity today, in this as in most matters. Open borders would be a bad idea, given the world as it is. Those who enter the country illegally should never receive the same treatment that those who come here legally receive. I do not believe in amnesty for them all, across the board. And I know very few people, except a very few small-government Libertarians who do want that sort of amnesty for them. And I have no problem with deporting any illegal immigrant who engages in criminal activity. The debate is concerning what sort of punishment is appropriate for the rest, and when even that ought to be moderated. Just because that punishment sometimes falls short of deportation, that does not mean that it is not a punishment. In 1776 here in Virginia, a person who stole a horse was always hanged unless a pardon was granted. Thomas Jefferson proposed at the end of the Revolution that a man’s right to life trumped another man’s right to property, and that a horse thief should be punished by several years at hard labor instead. The Virginians weren’t buying that, thought it too lenient and not sufficiently a deterrent and voted the proposal down. A later generation changed that, and no one can be hanged for a non-violent crime in Virginia today. Does that mean that Virginia now gives amnesty to thieves, because we allow them to go on living? You complain about those who would “knowingly violate the laws of our great nation, and then pretend that after the fact, they are law-abiding citizens.” If you were threatened by, say, a forest fire or a flood, would you knowingly violate the law by trespassing on posted private property in order to escape? Have you never “knowingly violated the laws of our great country”? Never knowingly driven 1 mph over the speed limit, or violated any traffic law? Never driven after having a couple drinks? Never drank alcohol before you were legally old enough to do so? Never received a dollar that you did not declare on you income tax return? If you have not, I take my hat off to you. The fact remains that the vast majority of people have once or twice knowingly violated the law, and yet “pretend that after the fact they are law-abiding citizens.” I have no trouble believing that you and they are, on the whole, law-abiding citizens. And, in fact, illegal immigrants, on the whole, are more law-abiding than citizens are, because they have more to fear. Vast numbers of illegal immigrants come into this country legally, though airports and with passports, but then over-stay their visas. “Securing the borders” won’t stop them. Many illegal immigrants are prosperous, hard-working, self-supporting people, people will to serve this country even. They are not targeted the way the poor and usually desperate people who sneak across the Rio Grande are targeted. Their real crime is not being an illegal immigrant, their crime is being a POOR and UNEDUCATED illegal immigrant. But, yes, certainly, secure the borders. Build higher fences, string more barbed wire, mobilize the army and the coast guard. It won’t solve the problem, but at least it is doing something.
I’m all for reforming the immigration process for the people who are willing to follow the law and stand in line. There are problems with our system that need to be reformed. But to give preference to those people who entered illegally is a slap in the face to everyone who tried to follow the law.
“Wait……. the dems might run out of weed and sex slaves in the cantina’s.”And the Republicans would run out of cheap, expendable labor for corporate farms and manufacturing.
Until the late 1800’s, there were no immigration laws. Anyone who wanted to enter the US was welcome. But, between the Irish & the Chinese, people started worrying that the US would be overrun by “others”. So, we started passing laws to prevent non-whites, then non-western Europeans from getting in.Basically, every group that enters the US, wants to shut the door behind them. Every group that comes to the US has vowed to maintain their language & customs.They are destined to fail. The only thing that makes our nation truly “exceptional”, is our willingness & ability to assimilate & take the best of our immigrants.
aardvarkseyes almost 10 years ago
When it comes to immigration reform, either you can or you Cantor…
braindead Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Once again for the newbies: If you want fewer illegals, prevent businesses from hiring them. -Even though it’s Bad For Business.
ARodney almost 10 years ago
Right, why can’t we throw the children back over the border fence to beg on the streets of Juarez, and see if they can find parents somewhere? What has happened to our basic human need to punish poor children for the crimes of their parents?
magicwalnut Premium Member almost 10 years ago
There you go again! Where do you get this stuff?
klr562 almost 10 years ago
that’s why the liberals are so good a punishing those trying to get off the government TIT. it had become a social problem because liberals did all the work to set it up under Carter and the Clinton and now it is bearing full fruit
brotherbox almost 10 years ago
I’ve never read such a moot argument before it’s been the problem for years, yet neither party can agree on anything much less immigration reform. Because it boils down to cheap labor and who uses it. read the Texas republicans party new platform tough on immigration, sure day and week visa’s to work in the state now theres immigration reform.
Simon_Jester almost 10 years ago
Actually it’s the REPUBLICANS who promote sex slaveryGoogle "Saipan’ “Sex Slavery” and “Tom DeLay”
Doughfoot almost 10 years ago
“If you don’t visit the bad neighborhoods, they will visit you.”
Doughfoot almost 10 years ago
In the Declaration of Independence, in the list of tyrannical actions taken by the king, note the following:“He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither.”
Doughfoot almost 10 years ago
The Obama Administration has exceeding all previous administrations in deporting illegal immigrants. Why aren’t the enemies of illegal immigration praising him?
Doughfoot almost 10 years ago
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,With conquering limbs astride from land to land;Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall standA mighty woman with a torch, whose flameIs the imprisoned lightning, and her nameMother of Exiles. From her beacon-handGlows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes commandThe air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries sheWith silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”The New Colossus, written in 1883 by Emma Lazarus (1849-1887), and mounted on the Statue of Liberty in 1903, at a time when percentage of foreign-born people in the US population was higher than it is today, and at a time when everyone (well, everyone not Asian) could come into the United States to settle as long as they were healthy.
Doughfoot almost 10 years ago
Sorry, Sharkie, it is true. Check any source you like. There have been more deportations (“removals”) under the Obama administration than in any previous administration.However, you would be correct in noting that there is more to the story than that. For example, folks who are caught coming over and are immediately sent back are called “returns” and there have been fewer of those. The number was declining all through the Bush years, and dropped when the crash came, because when the economy is really bad here, fewer people try to come in. Nevertheless, the fact remains that more than 2,000,000 people have been deported since Obama took office, and that is more than during any previous administration, and Obama still has a couple years to go. I never said the Declaration of Independence was law. However, it certainly does express that laws limiting immigration were considered tyrannical by the members of the Continental Congress in 1776. None of the Founding Fathers placed legal restrictions on who could enter the country and become citizens, as modern America has done. Small-government Libertarians, at least the ones who are not hypocrites, advocate a return to open borders. What makes you think you know what my agenda is? I just pointed out some facts. I made no policy recommendations. Here’s my view. This is not the 18th or 19th century, and 18th and 19th century notions of government have limited validity today, in this as in most matters. Open borders would be a bad idea, given the world as it is. Those who enter the country illegally should never receive the same treatment that those who come here legally receive. I do not believe in amnesty for them all, across the board. And I know very few people, except a very few small-government Libertarians who do want that sort of amnesty for them. And I have no problem with deporting any illegal immigrant who engages in criminal activity. The debate is concerning what sort of punishment is appropriate for the rest, and when even that ought to be moderated. Just because that punishment sometimes falls short of deportation, that does not mean that it is not a punishment. In 1776 here in Virginia, a person who stole a horse was always hanged unless a pardon was granted. Thomas Jefferson proposed at the end of the Revolution that a man’s right to life trumped another man’s right to property, and that a horse thief should be punished by several years at hard labor instead. The Virginians weren’t buying that, thought it too lenient and not sufficiently a deterrent and voted the proposal down. A later generation changed that, and no one can be hanged for a non-violent crime in Virginia today. Does that mean that Virginia now gives amnesty to thieves, because we allow them to go on living? You complain about those who would “knowingly violate the laws of our great nation, and then pretend that after the fact, they are law-abiding citizens.” If you were threatened by, say, a forest fire or a flood, would you knowingly violate the law by trespassing on posted private property in order to escape? Have you never “knowingly violated the laws of our great country”? Never knowingly driven 1 mph over the speed limit, or violated any traffic law? Never driven after having a couple drinks? Never drank alcohol before you were legally old enough to do so? Never received a dollar that you did not declare on you income tax return? If you have not, I take my hat off to you. The fact remains that the vast majority of people have once or twice knowingly violated the law, and yet “pretend that after the fact they are law-abiding citizens.” I have no trouble believing that you and they are, on the whole, law-abiding citizens. And, in fact, illegal immigrants, on the whole, are more law-abiding than citizens are, because they have more to fear. Vast numbers of illegal immigrants come into this country legally, though airports and with passports, but then over-stay their visas. “Securing the borders” won’t stop them. Many illegal immigrants are prosperous, hard-working, self-supporting people, people will to serve this country even. They are not targeted the way the poor and usually desperate people who sneak across the Rio Grande are targeted. Their real crime is not being an illegal immigrant, their crime is being a POOR and UNEDUCATED illegal immigrant. But, yes, certainly, secure the borders. Build higher fences, string more barbed wire, mobilize the army and the coast guard. It won’t solve the problem, but at least it is doing something.
TripleAxel almost 10 years ago
I’m all for reforming the immigration process for the people who are willing to follow the law and stand in line. There are problems with our system that need to be reformed. But to give preference to those people who entered illegally is a slap in the face to everyone who tried to follow the law.
SABRSteve almost 10 years ago
Where do we draw the line?
moosemin almost 10 years ago
This ’toon depicts a line of hopeful immigrants, standing in line to apply. Legally! (saps!)
Motivemagus almost 10 years ago
That is a repulsive and insulting statement.
Jason Allen almost 10 years ago
“Wait……. the dems might run out of weed and sex slaves in the cantina’s.”And the Republicans would run out of cheap, expendable labor for corporate farms and manufacturing.
moosemin almost 10 years ago
DaSharkie, NeoconMan does not play the Devil’s Advocate. He plays the Devil himself!He gives us a picture to throw our darts at.
(it’s SARCASM, dummy!)
meetinthemiddle almost 10 years ago
Take all the crumbs off of illegal aliens?
Uncle Joe Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Until the late 1800’s, there were no immigration laws. Anyone who wanted to enter the US was welcome. But, between the Irish & the Chinese, people started worrying that the US would be overrun by “others”. So, we started passing laws to prevent non-whites, then non-western Europeans from getting in.Basically, every group that enters the US, wants to shut the door behind them. Every group that comes to the US has vowed to maintain their language & customs.They are destined to fail. The only thing that makes our nation truly “exceptional”, is our willingness & ability to assimilate & take the best of our immigrants.