Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for February 13, 2010

They never are. No matter what you do, it is wrong.

Should propose today. That’d be different.

she would like an oversized rock on her claw.

Consistency never enters into the equation. In fact, tell her that you are otherwise engaged.

Women love suprises. So since she expects you to propose, don’t. She’ll love ya for it.

Now we know the purpose of a bar.

Hmm….. I will leave it to the vastly superior intellect of the males to solve this. I do have one suggestion though:

Chocolate!!!!!

Never try to second guess a woman…whatever you choose, they will want the opposite…

A man is standing in a forest.

He makes a decision.

If a woman isn’t around, is he still wrong?

I’m never wrong. I’m not married - and loving it.

[quote]runninanreadin said, about 1 hour ago

A man is standing in a forest.

He makes a decision.

If a woman isn’t around, is he still wrong?[/quote]

only if no one is around to hear it

you should always say timber anyway.

Kind of like your blinkers.

Victoria’s views on such matters are an indication that this woman has a broom for a ride, no heart.

Tell me why, again, he would want to have anything to do with her…like duh?

wndrwrthg: “No matter what you do, it is wrong.”

Well, that’s a form of consistency…

If he really wants to propose, give her really nice Valentine’s gifts without proposing – so she’ll be happy with his attention. Then, the next day, propose.

@Brockie

I resemble that! Roses are a cliche’ (I prefer daisies) and Valentines was made up by the card companies, chocolate companies and/or flower companies. It is just another day like any other. Joe, proposing on Valentines Day would be a mistake (although why you need to propose at all if there is an understanding is beyond me). Also don’t assume she likes diamonds, not all of us do you know (I think they are one of the least attractive ‘rocks’ out there). Not to mention, that since you don’t have a lot of money, maybe you should just skip the whole ring and save it for a great vacation. Jewelery is overrated, traveling is great! If you’re really lucky you can skip the whole wedding nonsense too. Why in the world anyone would spend all that money on cake, flowers and dresses is beyond me. Put it towards a better house or something else for goodness sake. Just a few friends and family at a nice steak house after a trip to the court house is all I want.

Okay, I’m done ranting folks. I like Victoria, she’s keeper Joe!

Do not propose to a picky, snippy broad like that, make a graceful exit……………..NOW!

Oh please! She’s a realist who can deal with the girls! Especially Danae! Now THAT’S the kind of woman he needs! Marriage is a business not a romantic venture.

I went to the florist, jewelry store, chocolate store, card store, and lobster shack..

She’ll say:

You bring me flowers every week. Why waste money on the most expensive day for roses?

The diamond necklace is beautiful. Is there a ring?

Chocolate makes my butt big. Can you unwrap these?

You were an Engish major. You can’t write your own card?

Do you know the mess this lobster is going to make of my kitchen?

Then she’ll say something and the lights will dim.

Proposing on Valentine’s day is a gag-worthy cliche. Victoria seems like a sensible woman, so I hope she’ll remember that.

Well, I proposed on Valentine’s Day and it was a big mistake. She said yes.

Ohh, shame on you.

Such Cynicism! Ask Danae what to do (evil grin)

I’m goin’ with LuvH8…CHOCOLATE!!!!

vexatron, will you marry me?

Joe, Please just have another beer………and another….. What proposal?

She will say yes on what ever day he asks.

@ vexatron1984:

Wow!! I love the way you think!!

Will you marry me?

@vexatron I do like yellow roses, but don’t need them. I don’t like diamonds. Our wedding bands have black opal bands in them; disn’t have an engagement ring. We got married with just 10 people around after church one day, then went to a steakhouse. I agree with you. I tried it big and fancy the first time, it didn’t last. This time is not perfect, but it’s so much better because our priorities are different.

You guys are amusing but perhaps:

Get Her Drunk Run Away!Run Away!!!!

(Oh, and Joe IGNORE THE COMMENTS)

happy discussing, DocT seen on a tee shirt (so it must be true) “not ALL men are idiots. some of us are bachelors.”

Seed_Drill:

Ditto.

In spades.

Consistently contrary…

And I prefer gardenias;-)

@wndwrthg said, “They never are. No matter what you do, it is wrong.”

Is that ever true. There’s an old joke that goes, “If a man is alone in the woods, with no women around for hundreds of miles, and says something, is he still wrong?”

I’ve yet to meet a woman who doesn’t say “yes” to that one. Men are, to all women, always wrong. We can’t do anything right in their eyes. And then they wonder why we’d sooner hang out with our buddies than with them.

Men aren’t always wrong. Women aren’t always right. Cynicism is almost always damaging. It hurts your heart’s eye.

Ask Kate what to do. Danae’s answer will be beyond incomprehensible. (snerk)

And have a bunch of daffodils in arm’s reach at all times, in case you need to improvise. (Hey, it’s not roses.)

My second husband and I were married 20 years before he died last spring, and I have all the pretty valentines he gave me during those years filed away with his obituary and funeral service programs. SO-Guys. Don’t think your nice gestures go unappreciated. Candy and flowers are gone with the wind, but a card can be read over and over for years.

Roses, ring, romance and restaurant. And pick up the cheque!

Don’t knock roses, they are beautiful flowers. That said I prefer them grown in my yard than bought from a florist.

My guy let ME pick the ring. We are now married 30 years and counting.

He did tell me the budget ahead of time. Broke college students don’t have much.

@Dracip and billokc

Thanks, I’m flattered! After he stops laughing my boyfriend might object though.

@mkaufmann

I have nothing against roses, they are pretty flowers, but so are lots of others! Roses have just been over done!

@ celecca

I did exactly the same thing! Spent a truly stupid amount of money on my first wedding. Second wedding, I kid you not, drive-thru chapel in Vegas. Still going strong, too!

@ Guys commenting here: you need to find a better class of woman. They’re out there but your anti-rose-tinted glasses (topical pun intended) might be impeding your ability to see her when you come face to face with her. Yeah some women fit that stereotype but, ahem, you’re fitting one, too, right now. How about we all agree to be individuals instead of stereotypes? ;)

Re: Valentine’s Day. My husband and I agree, if we only feel loved and express love one day a year, we’re doing something wrong.

I have a poster that has a picture of a bouquet of red roses with a single daisy in the middle.

The caption reads: “Be your own kind of beautiful.”

Jeeze, and we haven’t even touched on Sweetest Day….

BC13 said, about 9 hours ago

I’m never wrong. I’m not married - and loving it.

I agree! I will never be wrong. I am not married, either. I stay a single happily! :-)

Thanks, Burgundy2. Some of the bitter commenters need to know that sometimes you hit the jackpot on the second try. My valentine that came today was from Hospice!!!!

Wow, all the guys here see her as picky and snippy and inconsiderate. Isn’t it kind of picky and snippy and inconsiderate to think that about another human being? I mean, do they all have to share YOUR view, or is it just the women in your life? Father of two women asks. Incidentally, they’re always right, right or wrong, so you can get it right by being gracefully wrong. or growing up and having a conversation about it. Women are definitely the Kobiashi Mauru (Or however the Trekist spells it) of existence. But i know, WE don’t believe in those situations. And flunk the test.

Some guys use the idea that Valentine’s Day was a creation of card companies as an excuse for not doing anything for their main squeeze then or ever. Who says you have to buy a card? Why not make one? The point is, if it means something to your sweetheart, why not do it for her? Isn’t that what it means to love someone? Love her the way she needs to be loved, go out of your way a little to make her feel like the most important person in the world to you. It doesn’t have to cost you an arm and a leg, just a little thoughtfulness and kindness. If you think she doesn’t need to hear it, I guarantee you’re mistaken. We all need it.

I agree with the one who posted that written messages of love and appreciation are often prized and saved for years, especially when they are few and far between. Whether they come from a parent, child, spouse, sibling, or friend, a few well-written words can be an encouragement for a lifetime, and a legacy that even lasts long after you have departed this life. My father wrote very few letters, but I have every one he ever wrote to me. I treasure them. Same goes for cards written by my husband.

You really should Google the origins of Valentine’s Day. Card Companies had nothing to do with it. Of course, they capitalized on it, but they did not start it.

See the Loose Parts comic for today that references the origins of Valentine’s Day.

Wildmustang1262: I think BC13 and you have so much in common. Like the end of Casablanca, “BC13, I think this the the beginning of a beautiful friendship!”

My wife told me the other day “Please don’t buy me flowers because you always surprise me with them throughout the whole year, why spend the extra money that they charge for this holiday and don’t buy me a gift, you always surprise me with gifts at other times and lets eat at home because the restaraunts are always to crowded. I picked a sweet lady.

I bought my ex a dozen roses once and she wanted to know how much I spent for them, then said I should just give her the money next time. There wasn’t a next time.

I don’t care when he does it, he just needs to do it before she gets the feeling he’s not interested!

@jelindley

Sorry to say it, but your ex was just tacky. I may not be for the whole spend a lot of money on flowers kind of thing, but if someone did I wouldn’t complain about it!

@canpot

When I say the holiday was made up by card companies I mean that all this “romantic” nonsense was started by them, or rather someone during the nineteenth-century decided to romanticize it and modern companies have gone to extremes with it, like they do every holiday. Valentines Day had nothing to romance when it was first recognized.

Well, since Danae and Victoria have an agreement, I believe Joe is outnumbered. But, as for skipping the question, these things have to be asked and answered, if only so the agreement is really agreed by both.

And, as business-like and pushy as Victoria may be, perhaps that’s what Joe wants or needs. Who knows? Maybe love will temper Victoria’s hard points. Or, maybe the fireworks will keep us entertained anyway.

Go for it, Joe!

littledutchboy A great line from a great movie full of memorable lines. I can’t speak for wildmustang1262, but I am quite happy with my reality when so many of my friends are divorced with children. I hope that you have the freedom to do what you want, say what you want, live your dreams and go where you want (especially career-wise). As the “keeper” from the Star Trek episode “The Menagerie” said, “May your reality be as pleasant.”

Man, some of us are really taking Victoria too seriously. I don’t think we need to worry about Joe. He’s been married before, he knows what mistakes to avoid, and Victoria’s a woman that’s clearly honest and has a clear vision of what she wants.

It’s Jeffrey, or whoever Danae ultimately ends up with, that we need to worry about. I doubt anyone on Earth is ready to deal with that!