Collusion, of course, is not a LEGAL term, which is why Robert Mueller explicitly addressed that word so commonly thrown around by a president who does not understand its lack of legal meaning, by saying he would not deal with such a NON-legal word.
Mueller did identify 140 instances of collaborative, cooperative interaction between the Russians (who did commit the underlying crime of conspiracy to illegally influence a presidential election) and the Trump campaign. Addressing the legal term of CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, Mueller determined that he could not prove that the collaborative interactions rose to the level of CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, but that the question could not be pursued in any case because of a Nixon-era Dept. of “Justice” internal memo prohibiting indictment of a sitting president. Just a memo. No law. No statute. Nothing in the Constitution. Just a memo. Written during by the Nixon team.
But Mueller DID identify those 140 interactions which, applying the popular meaning of the word COLLUSION (cooperation) do prove that Trump’s repeated denials of collusion are just more of his lies.
Trump says “NO COLLUSION; NO OBSTRUCTION” but now we know there was clearly collusion and clear, specific instances of obstruction and criminal charges were not brought ONLY because of the Nixon-era prohibition against indicting a sitting president.
On balance, I’ve come to think that we will all be best served to see tiny twisting in the wind for the next 18 months. Mueller’s report serves as a partial roadmap to well justified indictments on multiple charges of obstruction, but there are another dozen cases working there way through jhthe federal court system, and a number of state actions that are also ongoing, particularly in NY State where federal pardons are useless.
Had Mueller sought an indictment, he would have become the central enemy of the regressives. Yes, with hearings and all, you could possibly rouse enough traitorous regressive Senators to vote for removal, but then you get Pence. If you remove tiny too soon, Pence has time to get elected in 2020. Amazingly, he could get sympathy votes.
It’s far better to continue the process. Hold open hearings, let the criminality sink in and become the narrative. Drip, drip, drip, the potential for additional felony indictments will surface with the cases outside of the Russian treason. Money laundering. Frauds. Perjury. Obstruction. Plus who knows what else as the US Atorneys do their work. The regressives will slowly see the compounded impact of the multiple cases of criminal behavior.
More importantly, the election will draw near, and tiny’s regressive, treasonous supporters will be whittled down over time. This way, you keep the boot of the law firmly on tiny’s neck. Just keep playing this out. The danger is that we slip into a nether region where tiny refuses to step down post election. But impeach him now, and he will become the victim.
The Trump team colluded (cooperated) with Russia when they took the Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary. Collusion has been evident for a couple of years no. Mueller found no “conspiracy” because apparently Don Jr. was too dumb to know cooperation with Russia was illegal.
I’ve never agreed with the premise that the House impeaching Trump yet the Senate refusing to convict would necessarily backfire on the Democrats in 2020. Remember, Clinton’s alleged “crimes” were far less than Li’l Donnie’s, and Mueller’s reputation is far better than Starr’s (even before the Baylor football team “rape culture” debacle). If Flynn, Manafort, and far too many others are hauled in for PUBLIC hearings, day after day (nobody expects Trump to testify: he would lie repeatedly in the first couple of minutes—and then, he’d probably be warmed up!), the sheer mass of the corruption would likely keep Trump off the ticket. And it’s hard to think Pence could win an election by himself (or tie his shoes without his Mommy to help him)>
DD Wiz Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Collusion, of course, is not a LEGAL term, which is why Robert Mueller explicitly addressed that word so commonly thrown around by a president who does not understand its lack of legal meaning, by saying he would not deal with such a NON-legal word.
Mueller did identify 140 instances of collaborative, cooperative interaction between the Russians (who did commit the underlying crime of conspiracy to illegally influence a presidential election) and the Trump campaign. Addressing the legal term of CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, Mueller determined that he could not prove that the collaborative interactions rose to the level of CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY, but that the question could not be pursued in any case because of a Nixon-era Dept. of “Justice” internal memo prohibiting indictment of a sitting president. Just a memo. No law. No statute. Nothing in the Constitution. Just a memo. Written during by the Nixon team.
But Mueller DID identify those 140 interactions which, applying the popular meaning of the word COLLUSION (cooperation) do prove that Trump’s repeated denials of collusion are just more of his lies.
Trump says “NO COLLUSION; NO OBSTRUCTION” but now we know there was clearly collusion and clear, specific instances of obstruction and criminal charges were not brought ONLY because of the Nixon-era prohibition against indicting a sitting president.
Ontman almost 5 years ago
So once again Donnie proves he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Darsan54 Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Just a straight up dictator.
Masterskrain Premium Member almost 5 years ago
So, what will he do when the U.S. Marshals come knocking on the Oval Office Door with his Arrest Warrant for Contempt of Congress??
twclix almost 5 years ago
On balance, I’ve come to think that we will all be best served to see tiny twisting in the wind for the next 18 months. Mueller’s report serves as a partial roadmap to well justified indictments on multiple charges of obstruction, but there are another dozen cases working there way through jhthe federal court system, and a number of state actions that are also ongoing, particularly in NY State where federal pardons are useless.
Had Mueller sought an indictment, he would have become the central enemy of the regressives. Yes, with hearings and all, you could possibly rouse enough traitorous regressive Senators to vote for removal, but then you get Pence. If you remove tiny too soon, Pence has time to get elected in 2020. Amazingly, he could get sympathy votes.
It’s far better to continue the process. Hold open hearings, let the criminality sink in and become the narrative. Drip, drip, drip, the potential for additional felony indictments will surface with the cases outside of the Russian treason. Money laundering. Frauds. Perjury. Obstruction. Plus who knows what else as the US Atorneys do their work. The regressives will slowly see the compounded impact of the multiple cases of criminal behavior.
More importantly, the election will draw near, and tiny’s regressive, treasonous supporters will be whittled down over time. This way, you keep the boot of the law firmly on tiny’s neck. Just keep playing this out. The danger is that we slip into a nether region where tiny refuses to step down post election. But impeach him now, and he will become the victim.
Radish the wordsmith almost 5 years ago
Dems need to begin to start arresting Trump admin minions who do not comply with subpoenas.
Banjo Gordy Premium Member almost 5 years ago
I preferred the time in America when the President & the Village Idiot were two different people.
DonnyTwoScoops almost 5 years ago
The Trump team colluded (cooperated) with Russia when they took the Trump Tower meeting to get dirt on Hillary. Collusion has been evident for a couple of years no. Mueller found no “conspiracy” because apparently Don Jr. was too dumb to know cooperation with Russia was illegal.
robnvon Premium Member almost 5 years ago
Favorite song of his teen years: “I’m Henry the Eighth I Am.”
Godfreydaniel almost 5 years ago
I’ve never agreed with the premise that the House impeaching Trump yet the Senate refusing to convict would necessarily backfire on the Democrats in 2020. Remember, Clinton’s alleged “crimes” were far less than Li’l Donnie’s, and Mueller’s reputation is far better than Starr’s (even before the Baylor football team “rape culture” debacle). If Flynn, Manafort, and far too many others are hauled in for PUBLIC hearings, day after day (nobody expects Trump to testify: he would lie repeatedly in the first couple of minutes—and then, he’d probably be warmed up!), the sheer mass of the corruption would likely keep Trump off the ticket. And it’s hard to think Pence could win an election by himself (or tie his shoes without his Mommy to help him)>
newyorkslim almost 5 years ago
“Collusion” is Clinton campaign with the Russians leading to FBI probes leading to Mueller. That’s coming out now…
Andylit Premium Member almost 5 years ago
No Tom, it is a buzzword that implies conspiracy. Of which none was found.