Pat Oliphant for September 29, 2009

doveryai, no proveryai

Iran so far …

I guess what Obama is doing isn’t working, maybe we need to return to what Bush was doing. Oh that’s right Bush didn’t do anything, except to call Iran part of the “Axis Of Evil ” Boy that really stopped them didn’t it.

As a good Christian nation is guess we need to ask ourselves WWCD? – What Would Cheney Do?

I know the real saying is “What Would Jesus Do?”, but I needed a “C” for my very poor joke.

Osama is Whahabi- Saudi. Verifying who all the nuts in the world really are would take a long-long-time little corner guy.

Ok, give me a minute. As far as I know, the US intelligence has known about the new site for some 2 years. Last year, it released a report that Iran is not expected to get nuclear weapons until 2013 at the earliest. So what is the crisis about right now?

Another neo-con beating the drum for war and murdering innocent women and children. Hitler lied Europe into war, Johnson and the generals lied the US into Viet Nam. Bush lied the US into Iraq. Obama and the Generals are lying the US into Iran with the able assistance of a Brit Imperialist cartoonist that knows better.

KEN said: “As a good Christian nation is guess we need to ask ourselves WWCD? - What Would Cheney Do?” This nation may contain a few actual “Christians”, Ken, but being one is a personal, individual, spiritual matter involving a transformation from sinfull to redeemed human. Calling the United States a “Christian nation” is not only wrong, but somewhat blasphemus. Our politicians who love to be photographed in front of churches holding big Bibles (remember the Clintons?) live lives which suggest otherwise.

The U.S. is the world’s largest arms supplier, selling over 68% of all the world’s weapons. What kind of ‘guarantee’ are WE getting that they will only be used for peaceful purposes?

Ken’s “…good Christian nation…” is the most murderous,violent and hypocritical country on the planet. FYI…the last Christian died on the cross.

Jesus wasn’t a Christian, he was a Jew.

It was a joke folks – apparently a very poor joke – didn’t you catch the part about CHENEY!

Remember Christ preached LOVE & ACCEPTANCE, so what should we call all of those people who are preaching HATE AND REJECTION in his name?

whammon; right on.

Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew. He did not intend to start a new religion, which is what the term “Christian” implies, as distinct from Judaism. “Christianity” was a second-generation phenomenon, emerging, not intentionally or consciously, when Jesus’ followers focussed more on converting Gentiles than on Jews, and thereby transformed the original message.

DrCanuck has it mostly right, however, Jesus was without question an ethnic jewish man. He was also identified as the “Son of God”, a term which has caused endless debate throughout the centuries. Real, actual, “Christians” know who He is. Many who call themselves “Christians” believe he was a great teacher, but just another man. The uncomfortable fact that his body (an extremely valuable artifact for any religious organization claiming to be “His” church) is not present, might point to the reality of His resurrection and return to Jehovah. P.S. Good news, DrCanuck, we will NOT invade Canuckistan!

Canuck, Jesus was born and died a Jew. He spoke truth to power and dared to question authority, but that doesn’t change his religion. What Christians refer to as the Last Supper was a Jewish Passover Seder lead by Jesus.

The Christian Church was formed on the basis of his followers’ teachings several hundreds of years after his death.

Jase99, are you referring to the Roman Catholic Church? Please remember that much of the New Testament consists of letters written to the first “churches” by the apostle Paul. These were gatherings of believers in the cities where he and the other apostles had preached the Gospel. The one at Rome was just one of them. There was no such thing as a “pope”. There were no elaborate, gold-accented buildings filled with statues. There was no hierarchy dressed in the robes of royalty. There was no such thing as a “priesthood” or “nuns”. All of this is the invention of mis-guided or corrupt men. “The Church” consists of people who have been “born again”, the English translation of Jesus’s Northern Aramaic language which actually meant “to change one’s thoughts and habits.” John 3:3

Actually there was a “pope” at the time of Paul - the Pontifex Maximus - the chief priest of the Roman Empire - at the time the Emperor. The head of the Roman Catholic Church adopted the term early in its development.

MacZenWES, thanks for that information, but my point was that Paul and the other apostles did not speak of such an office and in fact were dealing with efforts in some early “churches” to move away from the purity of the Gospel message. Rome was the most pagan and corrupt city on earth, and it is no wonder that the “church” started in Rome became corrupt & full of pagan beliefs. Sadly, the whole world has witnessed this incredible corruption on display in modern times.

Sometimes even people who should know better, like Mr Oliphant, get carried away. The idea of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad providing Osama bin Laden with a nuclear weapon (which he doesn’t have to give) is patently absurd. Better luck next time, Pat !…

Henri