Rall’s obviously convinced that we’ll mostly all live through another 4 years of the Mango Mistake, and maybe do even better after that by electing someone truly liberal. Rational people can agree to disagree, but I sure wish he’d stop trying to steal votes from Biden, because I’m not at all convinced that the US will ever get back from where Trump and McConnell (and friends) have taken us, much less what would happen with 4 more years to prepare their revolution.
Life will still be difficult under Biden in America. We still have to recover from the damage done by Il Douche’s administration. And beyond that, we need to fix our dysfunctional system even if we do get back to ‘square one’.
But let’s not get tripped up by extremist ideologies which would lead us toward the false equivalency which suggests that Il Douche is not worse than any other candidate, because he is!
Rail is an extremist and there really is no difference between Him and Trump. Both of them espouse extremist views and the my way is the only way view ignoring the massive group in the middle who disagree with both. What’s the difference if you’re shackled (figuratively speaking of course) from someone on the right or someone on the left, you’re still shackled.
things aren’t going to be so nice if Biden becomes President. I’m sure some people must think so, just as some people think a 2nd term of Trump will be wonderful. But this comic is being disingenuous about the desire to defeat Trump. Panels 2 and 3 will be markedly worse under Trump and just forget about panel 1. Police power will be emphasized under Trump’s “law and order” mandate and the paramilitary folks will be with the police adding to the firepower. Heck, the Proud Boy have announced that they are “standing by” waiting for their chance to take action. As for panel 4, Café Oblivious looks like a nice place. I’ve never been there. My life has not afforded me such luxuries and the struggle to care for my family consumes most of my time. When you consider it, being not aware of or not concerned about what is happening around one can take on many forms and it is a sorry state; but it is not as bad as claiming an issue is dear to oneself, yet laboring for its adversary.
Imagine if Sanders were the nominee. There’d still be the wars (although Sanders has consistently voted NO on the Pentagon budget), but I think the other issues would be way different.
Be nice if we had an election system that wasn’t wide open to election fraud.
Should Brother Joe get the landslide victory over Dump that he needs to remove him from office, I still don’t envy him his mess to clean up. But, Dems have spent years and presidencies cleaning up behind Repub screw-ups and its about time we stay with Dem leadership for a few decades at least.
I attended the 1964 Democratic election as a Young Democrat for Johnson. In April 1967 I burned by draft card in the Sheep’s Meadow Park in New York in the first mass draft card burning. I’ve never considered myself a Democrat since then, and I don’t consider myself a Democrat now. I’ve spent years of my life demonstrating and organizing on the left. I’ve done the whole gamut, from handing out leaflets to getting arrested to organizing large coalitions and organizing mass demonstrations. And I am convinced that we need to vote for Joe Biden. Trump is simply too dangerous. If you didn’t know that before, last night was proof. Once Biden is elected, we need to keep organizing on the left. That includes supporting and encouraging the left in the Democratic party, but it also includes local organizing on a whole range of issues, and it includes being willing to demonstrate against Biden when he deserves it—and he will. Of course Biden doesn’t have a radical analysis of US capitalism. That goes without saying. But at this moment, we need more than anything to defeat Trump.
In the 233 year history of the United States, the only years when the Executive/Congress/Judiciary was to any degree not right of center were 1934(ish) thru 1967(ish), with the judiciary an exception until the mid-50’s.
The Executive returned to the right in ‘68, the Congress did the same ~ ‘80, and the Judiciary mostly ~ ‘98/most definitely 2020.
Society overall (including all age cohorts, including the too-young-to-vote-for-another-decade) is slightly left of center right now, unfortunately offset by gerrymandering and a Senate structure which denies power to large population states — viewed alternatively, apportions disproportionate power to citizens in states with low population/rural constituencies. These two issues will be a problem unless/until specifically rectified, which may be all but impossible due to the necessity of Constitutional amendments for implementation of reform methods.
That said, conservative predilection for (1870) status quo/inertia regarding change of any sort is about to be overtaken by events — AGW climate change absolutely will drive Green New Deal-type legislation nlt the close of this decade, and render into shards illusory tRumpism as well as traditional US conservatism (which will regroup, better equipped to deal with reality than the present iteration).
This may well be too late to emplace warming mitigation policy which is capable of forestalling even imminent (~ 1950) civilizational collapse, or global temp increase in excess of the survival of nearly all planetary life. But there is also a chance that dire outcome may not come true, and something at least slightly less onerous is still achievable.
Which is more likely: 1) a tRump presidency/GOP Congress [important note: it is unusual for the winner of the presidency to fail to also win the Senate] results in a swift public shift to support of progressive climate change/health care/economic policies vital to both near and long term policy reformation; 2) …
… 2) a Biden presidency responds more swiftly to increasingly bottom-up (demographic shift to left presently underway in America) progressive public policy pressure;
3) discouragement of Democratic Party support (discouraging voting for Biden) does not result in voters who vote Blue down ballot while voting either® or (G) or (I) for President, no — instead, it discourages non-conservative voters from filling out a ballot, period.
There you go, inventing scenarios and then getting angry about them. Tell me, what’s different about what you pictured from what’s going on now? And why is your anger directed at what HASN’T happened rather than what is?
I read Teds article about Biden being a Republican. My running joke over the years has been that Clinton was the greatest republican the Democratic party ever produced, and that Obama was the last moderate republican. So what does that make Biden? I also said that a ham sandwich would make a better president than Donald. That’s exactly what I got. I’ll hold my nose and vote ‘em, but don’t expect me to like it.
You’re funny man… in Trump’s world, she wouldn’t have any insurance at all.And for what it’s worth, my health insurance at work got cheaper and covered more when ACA went into effect.
I don’t look at this as a knock on Biden… but rather its saying that a change in President is NOT going to right all the wrong in this country. Which is true… yet we won’t have the “leader” of the country fanning the flames for personal gain. Not to mention all of the other issues he has which are too numerous to list. So yes by all means vote for Biden, or if you are like, vote against Don the Con… but get that mf out.
It would be nice if Biden being President would solve all problems. But that’s unlikely to happen. I do believe though that things will be trending better, and that is important.
Ted, if I was drowning and was offered a choice between a rock (Trump) or a life preserver (Biden), do you think I’d be like, “F-off! I’m holding out for a lifeboat!”? Hell no! I’d take the damn life preserver! And I’m pretty damn certain many progressives will vote for Biden as well, even if they have to hold their noses doing so. Because they DEFINITELY don’t want four more years of the Orange Clown!
scala over 3 years ago
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Concretionist over 3 years ago
Rall’s obviously convinced that we’ll mostly all live through another 4 years of the Mango Mistake, and maybe do even better after that by electing someone truly liberal. Rational people can agree to disagree, but I sure wish he’d stop trying to steal votes from Biden, because I’m not at all convinced that the US will ever get back from where Trump and McConnell (and friends) have taken us, much less what would happen with 4 more years to prepare their revolution.
Daeder over 3 years ago
Life will still be difficult under Biden in America. We still have to recover from the damage done by Il Douche’s administration. And beyond that, we need to fix our dysfunctional system even if we do get back to ‘square one’.
But let’s not get tripped up by extremist ideologies which would lead us toward the false equivalency which suggests that Il Douche is not worse than any other candidate, because he is!
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Rall predicts the future. You can’t predict what erratic Trump will do.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 3 years ago
“Proud boys stand back and stand by.” Yup, that’s what you’ll get when the Rump is not voted out with a resounding loss.
akachman Premium Member over 3 years ago
Need…to…take…back…the…Senate.
TheWildSow over 3 years ago
Hey Rall? Will you shut up, man?!
[Unnamed Reader - bf182b] over 3 years ago
Perhaps criticize what he does AFTER he does it.
evanmarhews over 3 years ago
rall wants another 4 years of Trump. He’s a russian troll !!
Michael Spony Premium Member over 3 years ago
Rail is an extremist and there really is no difference between Him and Trump. Both of them espouse extremist views and the my way is the only way view ignoring the massive group in the middle who disagree with both. What’s the difference if you’re shackled (figuratively speaking of course) from someone on the right or someone on the left, you’re still shackled.
William Bednar Premium Member over 3 years ago
Sounds like people are finding out just how bad TrumpCare is.
RalphConti over 3 years ago
things aren’t going to be so nice if Biden becomes President. I’m sure some people must think so, just as some people think a 2nd term of Trump will be wonderful. But this comic is being disingenuous about the desire to defeat Trump. Panels 2 and 3 will be markedly worse under Trump and just forget about panel 1. Police power will be emphasized under Trump’s “law and order” mandate and the paramilitary folks will be with the police adding to the firepower. Heck, the Proud Boy have announced that they are “standing by” waiting for their chance to take action. As for panel 4, Café Oblivious looks like a nice place. I’ve never been there. My life has not afforded me such luxuries and the struggle to care for my family consumes most of my time. When you consider it, being not aware of or not concerned about what is happening around one can take on many forms and it is a sorry state; but it is not as bad as claiming an issue is dear to oneself, yet laboring for its adversary.
Cerabooge over 3 years ago
Imagine if Sanders were the nominee. There’d still be the wars (although Sanders has consistently voted NO on the Pentagon budget), but I think the other issues would be way different.
Be nice if we had an election system that wasn’t wide open to election fraud.
preacherman over 3 years ago
Should Brother Joe get the landslide victory over Dump that he needs to remove him from office, I still don’t envy him his mess to clean up. But, Dems have spent years and presidencies cleaning up behind Repub screw-ups and its about time we stay with Dem leadership for a few decades at least.
Packratjohn Premium Member over 3 years ago
It all comes down to priorities and pocketbooks.
rossevrymn over 3 years ago
Petulant despair realized in total.
StackableContainers over 3 years ago
I wish I had enough imagination to think I am prescient. Or is it arrogance? Either way.
lonecat over 3 years ago
I attended the 1964 Democratic election as a Young Democrat for Johnson. In April 1967 I burned by draft card in the Sheep’s Meadow Park in New York in the first mass draft card burning. I’ve never considered myself a Democrat since then, and I don’t consider myself a Democrat now. I’ve spent years of my life demonstrating and organizing on the left. I’ve done the whole gamut, from handing out leaflets to getting arrested to organizing large coalitions and organizing mass demonstrations. And I am convinced that we need to vote for Joe Biden. Trump is simply too dangerous. If you didn’t know that before, last night was proof. Once Biden is elected, we need to keep organizing on the left. That includes supporting and encouraging the left in the Democratic party, but it also includes local organizing on a whole range of issues, and it includes being willing to demonstrate against Biden when he deserves it—and he will. Of course Biden doesn’t have a radical analysis of US capitalism. That goes without saying. But at this moment, we need more than anything to defeat Trump.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Covid spreading Trump is an insane fascist, vote out every republican enabler.
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member over 3 years ago
In the 233 year history of the United States, the only years when the Executive/Congress/Judiciary was to any degree not right of center were 1934(ish) thru 1967(ish), with the judiciary an exception until the mid-50’s.
The Executive returned to the right in ‘68, the Congress did the same ~ ‘80, and the Judiciary mostly ~ ‘98/most definitely 2020.
Society overall (including all age cohorts, including the too-young-to-vote-for-another-decade) is slightly left of center right now, unfortunately offset by gerrymandering and a Senate structure which denies power to large population states — viewed alternatively, apportions disproportionate power to citizens in states with low population/rural constituencies. These two issues will be a problem unless/until specifically rectified, which may be all but impossible due to the necessity of Constitutional amendments for implementation of reform methods.
That said, conservative predilection for (1870) status quo/inertia regarding change of any sort is about to be overtaken by events — AGW climate change absolutely will drive Green New Deal-type legislation nlt the close of this decade, and render into shards illusory tRumpism as well as traditional US conservatism (which will regroup, better equipped to deal with reality than the present iteration).
This may well be too late to emplace warming mitigation policy which is capable of forestalling even imminent (~ 1950) civilizational collapse, or global temp increase in excess of the survival of nearly all planetary life. But there is also a chance that dire outcome may not come true, and something at least slightly less onerous is still achievable.
Which is more likely: 1) a tRump presidency/GOP Congress [important note: it is unusual for the winner of the presidency to fail to also win the Senate] results in a swift public shift to support of progressive climate change/health care/economic policies vital to both near and long term policy reformation; 2) …
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member over 3 years ago
… 2) a Biden presidency responds more swiftly to increasingly bottom-up (demographic shift to left presently underway in America) progressive public policy pressure;
3) discouragement of Democratic Party support (discouraging voting for Biden) does not result in voters who vote Blue down ballot while voting either® or (G) or (I) for President, no — instead, it discourages non-conservative voters from filling out a ballot, period.
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member over 3 years ago
Now waiting for an endorsement from Rall for the Proud Boys.
mikemck over 3 years ago
Ted I’m sorry your candidate didn’t win the primary, mine didn’t either get over it.
halvincobbes Premium Member over 3 years ago
There you go, inventing scenarios and then getting angry about them. Tell me, what’s different about what you pictured from what’s going on now? And why is your anger directed at what HASN’T happened rather than what is?
mourdac Premium Member over 3 years ago
You truly believe the U.S. would be better off if President Trump gets re-elected, Mr. Rall?
charliekane over 3 years ago
Ted wants us to build up from the ashes. It’s the part about being reduced to ashes first that I’m not wild about.
Vote Blue!
wildthing over 3 years ago
I read Teds article about Biden being a Republican. My running joke over the years has been that Clinton was the greatest republican the Democratic party ever produced, and that Obama was the last moderate republican. So what does that make Biden? I also said that a ham sandwich would make a better president than Donald. That’s exactly what I got. I’ll hold my nose and vote ‘em, but don’t expect me to like it.
JRobinson Premium Member over 3 years ago
Nope. Sorry big guy, still not feelin’ it. Still voting Biden.
cromwelljones53 over 3 years ago
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T Smith over 3 years ago
You’re funny man… in Trump’s world, she wouldn’t have any insurance at all.And for what it’s worth, my health insurance at work got cheaper and covered more when ACA went into effect.
Jimathai Premium Member over 3 years ago
I don’t look at this as a knock on Biden… but rather its saying that a change in President is NOT going to right all the wrong in this country. Which is true… yet we won’t have the “leader” of the country fanning the flames for personal gain. Not to mention all of the other issues he has which are too numerous to list. So yes by all means vote for Biden, or if you are like, vote against Don the Con… but get that mf out.
jader3rd over 3 years ago
It would be nice if Biden being President would solve all problems. But that’s unlikely to happen. I do believe though that things will be trending better, and that is important.
countoftowergrove over 3 years ago
Rall, you accused me of name calling last week. I stated a fact: you are a Trumptard.
Northgalus2002 over 3 years ago
Ted, if I was drowning and was offered a choice between a rock (Trump) or a life preserver (Biden), do you think I’d be like, “F-off! I’m holding out for a lifeboat!”? Hell no! I’d take the damn life preserver! And I’m pretty damn certain many progressives will vote for Biden as well, even if they have to hold their noses doing so. Because they DEFINITELY don’t want four more years of the Orange Clown!