Church is apparently also unaware that in Egypt, there’s only about 5 internet “pipes” into the country (a country that has arrived relatively late into the internet community), and that those pipes are easily severed by the government.
Church seems to think that the internet could be as easily denied to the U.S.A.
Even so, the Internet is getting in and out of Egypt, just not through the main pipes. The advantage of a dispersed and decentralized system. China is working hard to suppress it, too, but it’s still possible to get information in and out.
Hacker Science 101: the only way to shut off all access is to shut off yours. As long as there is one opening, it can be used.
Rockngolfer, I don’t think we ever came OUT of Orange Alert. I only fly a handful of times a year, but I can’t remember the last time I went to the airport (either for myself or to pick up/drop off someone else) and it WASN’T Threat Level Orange. Of course, I’ve only been paying attention for 5 years or so…
church, when the threat level on domestic and international flights (gee, that covers just about ALL of ‘em, doesn’t it?) remains “High” for five years and nothing happens, it becomes meaningless. What would Yellow LOOK like? What about Blue? What would it take to make it Green, Jesus coming back and personally vouching for every passenger and bag?
If for five years we’ve constantly been at Orange, where can you go UP from there, except Red? How long has it been since anyone has paid ANY attention to Threat Level when they’ve had to decide whether to fly or not? I don’t think the risk of a bomb going off isn’t real, but they set the default too high. If Blue (“Guarded”) is “General risk of terror attack”, isn’t that (except for brief periods) what we’ve been at since, say, October 2001?
Shall we reflect again on how Israel planted the worm in Iran’s nuclear program computers(and those of others)? The internet is both a powerful tool, and weapon. Anyone who thinks an American president (of any “party”) won’t attempt to shut it down should Beck get his way and “revolution” go beyond the idiot rhetoric stage, is dreaming.
The rapidity with which FOX “news” announced the “breaking news exclusive” that Giffords had died, and it was picked up by others, shows cause that maybe a little censorship of the internet, and the free (to be stupid) press may be called for at times.
That WE are the ones, WITH Israel, who kept Mubarak in power for 30 years as a friend of the U.S. and Israel, shouldn’t be pushed to the side either. What HE does IS a reflection of OUR “policies”.
“Self censorship” and “responsible journalism” have never been an issue at FOX. I happened to be WATCHING when the Faux “reporters” announced their “news”. No they didn’t claim “exclusive” just another “you saw it here first” announcement.
I am opposed to “censorship” of ideas, thoughts and views. But NEWS should be responsibly reported when known as fact, and not before, especially in this “instant information” age.
Remember when the complaint was that “Radio Free Europe” was being jammed? Well, a lot of that propaganda being broadcast wasn’t exactly “factual news”, though our message was clear.
“Facebook journalism”, and “twitter” may indeed show us facts, but how many reports showing the events in Egypt are showing the “NO America, Get out Mubarak” signs? We tread a very fine line right now with upheavals in the Middle East. It is time for our government, AND “press” to act responsibly. We are in Afghanistan and Iraq precisely because they/WE, did NOT!
That’s a big deal, TCL. I have a Canadian email buddy whose Rogers cable ISP service provides him with three times the download speed of my California AT&T DSL service.
But he has a monthly bandwidth cap that makes his speed worthless. Thus far, I have no such cap.
One can only hope that companies like NetFlix will be able to dominate over the trend of ISPs capping the total monthly bytes downloaded by their customers.
^ I understand what you mean. We got a huge bill from Rogers and that’s why I switched back to BellAliant (all the bandwidth you need!)
I understand they want to limit illegal movie downloads. 25 gigs a month work pretty well for a single person without big downloads, but when I was in MonctonU, I lived in a house with four other people, they all had computers and ONE internet connection.
^^Hey Tony I live in Sunny Isles and I get speeds of up to 72 mps on my cable internet. How much does your buddy in Canada get and how much you pulling, if you don’t mind me asking. A lot of people have been telling me what I pull is unheard of.
Of course I pay $149 a month for that and cable. Ouch.
Okay, I had to Google “Sunny Isles”, and that puts you in Florida?
I don’t recall the specifics of my Canadian friend, but his Rogers cable internet has speeds over four times faster than my own AT&T DSL, but he said that if he actually used that speed, then within a few days he’d surpass his monthly allotment, and be charged an incredible amount for going over.
^^Yup. The great state of Florida where great posters like me, golfer, and Bruce reside. There’s also Churchill but he resides in Boca Raton, where all the yentas retire. You want police state go to Boca.
Anyway your first problem is that you have Att&t. DSL is a dinosaur and the speeds blow. You’re basically getting your internet through the phone line. Cable, on the other hand, uses fiber optics and that is ideal for internet, which is why the speeds are out of this world. The sad part is that if I have a bunch of people on my connection I start to slow down, but so far I’ve no problems.
As for the Canucks how do you guys put up with that? That’s like buying a limited data plan for a cell phone and being screwed over royally. But then again you could ask us Yanks the same thing.
W(ar).Crime, you’re missing the point here. With my current AT&T DSL, my download speed is limited to around 600 KiloBytes per second…but I can use that speed 24/7 for the entire month without incurring additional charges.
Why should I switch to Comcast cable? Yes, I could get 3-4 times the download rate (for a higher base cost), but if I made heavy use of it, I’d hit my total download restriction within a few days, and then have to sell my house in order to pay for the additional downloaded bytes.
I dunno how long AT&T is going to keep supplying unlimited DSL, but as long as they do, they have me as a customer.
Unlike their cellphone service. I’d been a customer of theirs for over a decade, but when my six-phone family recently made the jump to smartphones, we had to abandon AT&T and switch to Verizon, because for the same monthly data cost, Verizon gives us unlimited downloads, whereas AT&T would have limited us to only 2 GB…with a huge charge for going over.
rockngolfer over 13 years ago
Just because Obama has the power to shut down the internet doesn’t mean he will. Presidents have had the power to launch missles for 40 years or more.
I am just glad we won’t be going to orange alert right before every election from now on.
riley05 over 13 years ago
Well said, Rockngolder.
Church is apparently also unaware that in Egypt, there’s only about 5 internet “pipes” into the country (a country that has arrived relatively late into the internet community), and that those pipes are easily severed by the government.
Church seems to think that the internet could be as easily denied to the U.S.A.
Motivemagus over 13 years ago
Even so, the Internet is getting in and out of Egypt, just not through the main pipes. The advantage of a dispersed and decentralized system. China is working hard to suppress it, too, but it’s still possible to get information in and out. Hacker Science 101: the only way to shut off all access is to shut off yours. As long as there is one opening, it can be used.
fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
Rockngolfer, I don’t think we ever came OUT of Orange Alert. I only fly a handful of times a year, but I can’t remember the last time I went to the airport (either for myself or to pick up/drop off someone else) and it WASN’T Threat Level Orange. Of course, I’ve only been paying attention for 5 years or so…
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
Let’s get serious here for a minute;
Help the people of Egypt get internet access despite government block;
www.accessnow.org
ChukLitl Premium Member over 13 years ago
I second FrenchCanadianMaid’s motion.
fritzoid Premium Member over 13 years ago
church, when the threat level on domestic and international flights (gee, that covers just about ALL of ‘em, doesn’t it?) remains “High” for five years and nothing happens, it becomes meaningless. What would Yellow LOOK like? What about Blue? What would it take to make it Green, Jesus coming back and personally vouching for every passenger and bag?
If for five years we’ve constantly been at Orange, where can you go UP from there, except Red? How long has it been since anyone has paid ANY attention to Threat Level when they’ve had to decide whether to fly or not? I don’t think the risk of a bomb going off isn’t real, but they set the default too high. If Blue (“Guarded”) is “General risk of terror attack”, isn’t that (except for brief periods) what we’ve been at since, say, October 2001?
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Shall we reflect again on how Israel planted the worm in Iran’s nuclear program computers(and those of others)? The internet is both a powerful tool, and weapon. Anyone who thinks an American president (of any “party”) won’t attempt to shut it down should Beck get his way and “revolution” go beyond the idiot rhetoric stage, is dreaming.
The rapidity with which FOX “news” announced the “breaking news exclusive” that Giffords had died, and it was picked up by others, shows cause that maybe a little censorship of the internet, and the free (to be stupid) press may be called for at times.
That WE are the ones, WITH Israel, who kept Mubarak in power for 30 years as a friend of the U.S. and Israel, shouldn’t be pushed to the side either. What HE does IS a reflection of OUR “policies”.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
“Self censorship” and “responsible journalism” have never been an issue at FOX. I happened to be WATCHING when the Faux “reporters” announced their “news”. No they didn’t claim “exclusive” just another “you saw it here first” announcement.
I am opposed to “censorship” of ideas, thoughts and views. But NEWS should be responsibly reported when known as fact, and not before, especially in this “instant information” age.
Remember when the complaint was that “Radio Free Europe” was being jammed? Well, a lot of that propaganda being broadcast wasn’t exactly “factual news”, though our message was clear.
“Facebook journalism”, and “twitter” may indeed show us facts, but how many reports showing the events in Egypt are showing the “NO America, Get out Mubarak” signs? We tread a very fine line right now with upheavals in the Middle East. It is time for our government, AND “press” to act responsibly. We are in Afghanistan and Iraq precisely because they/WE, did NOT!
riley05 over 13 years ago
That’s a big deal, TCL. I have a Canadian email buddy whose Rogers cable ISP service provides him with three times the download speed of my California AT&T DSL service.
But he has a monthly bandwidth cap that makes his speed worthless. Thus far, I have no such cap.
One can only hope that companies like NetFlix will be able to dominate over the trend of ISPs capping the total monthly bytes downloaded by their customers.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 13 years ago
^ I understand what you mean. We got a huge bill from Rogers and that’s why I switched back to BellAliant (all the bandwidth you need!)
I understand they want to limit illegal movie downloads. 25 gigs a month work pretty well for a single person without big downloads, but when I was in MonctonU, I lived in a house with four other people, they all had computers and ONE internet connection.
WarBush over 13 years ago
^^Hey Tony I live in Sunny Isles and I get speeds of up to 72 mps on my cable internet. How much does your buddy in Canada get and how much you pulling, if you don’t mind me asking. A lot of people have been telling me what I pull is unheard of.
Of course I pay $149 a month for that and cable. Ouch.
riley05 over 13 years ago
Okay, I had to Google “Sunny Isles”, and that puts you in Florida?
I don’t recall the specifics of my Canadian friend, but his Rogers cable internet has speeds over four times faster than my own AT&T DSL, but he said that if he actually used that speed, then within a few days he’d surpass his monthly allotment, and be charged an incredible amount for going over.
WarBush over 13 years ago
^^Yup. The great state of Florida where great posters like me, golfer, and Bruce reside. There’s also Churchill but he resides in Boca Raton, where all the yentas retire. You want police state go to Boca.
Anyway your first problem is that you have Att&t. DSL is a dinosaur and the speeds blow. You’re basically getting your internet through the phone line. Cable, on the other hand, uses fiber optics and that is ideal for internet, which is why the speeds are out of this world. The sad part is that if I have a bunch of people on my connection I start to slow down, but so far I’ve no problems.
As for the Canucks how do you guys put up with that? That’s like buying a limited data plan for a cell phone and being screwed over royally. But then again you could ask us Yanks the same thing.
riley05 over 13 years ago
W(ar).Crime, you’re missing the point here. With my current AT&T DSL, my download speed is limited to around 600 KiloBytes per second…but I can use that speed 24/7 for the entire month without incurring additional charges.
Why should I switch to Comcast cable? Yes, I could get 3-4 times the download rate (for a higher base cost), but if I made heavy use of it, I’d hit my total download restriction within a few days, and then have to sell my house in order to pay for the additional downloaded bytes.
I dunno how long AT&T is going to keep supplying unlimited DSL, but as long as they do, they have me as a customer.
Unlike their cellphone service. I’d been a customer of theirs for over a decade, but when my six-phone family recently made the jump to smartphones, we had to abandon AT&T and switch to Verizon, because for the same monthly data cost, Verizon gives us unlimited downloads, whereas AT&T would have limited us to only 2 GB…with a huge charge for going over.