From the Barr report, and this is fun: “In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the Trump campaign “coordinated” with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined “coordination” as an “agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”
In short, it states there was indeed Russian interference and there was Trump campaign interference in getting Trump elected. They just didn’t happen to work together on it, only separately. So everything’s ok.
By ANY definition of the word, there WAS “collusion” between Russia and Trump. Just keep in mind that “collusion” in and of itself is not a crime.
Seriously, do I need to point out that we (anybody, actually) have NOT SEEN the Mueller Report – we’ve only been exposed to what a Donald Trump lackey has said is in the report!
Barr “solicited” the position of Attorney General under Trump and Trump appointed him – Trump, a person who fervently believes that EVERYONE in the federal government works for and should “be loyal to” one Donald John Trump. So saying that A.G. Barr is an honorable man descends to the point of being an oxymoron.
Keep in mind that Mueller had a very narrow assignment; to investigate the possibility of the Russian involvement in the 2016 Presidential election and possible involvement of American citizens in assisting in that Russian involvement. Mueller was looking for criminal intent and his thirty-odd indictments shows that he was extremely successful at his endeavor.
It HAS ALWAYS BEEN the job of Congress to determine the guilt or innocence of the sitting President, and, while the findings of the Mueller Investigation will provide a solid basis from which to start, it has always been the House of Representatives responsibility to establish guilt or innocence of the President and the Senate’s responsibility to convict or not, based on the House’s findings.
This is NOT an episode of “Law & Order” – you will probably NEVER hear the term “emoluments” uttered in a court of law. The position of President is unique in all the world and the American president is held to a uniquely higher standard. And, to intimate that the actions of a “two-bit” hoodlum in that position are legally ‘confusing’ is to make the world’s most massive understatement!
I will leave you with one additional admonition – I note one thing about Donald John Trump. Anything Donnie John says, anything at all, is more than likely either a lie or, at best, a distortion!
Democrats at campaign events got few questions about Mueller and didn’t talk about it much. Not sure who you are referencing here? Democrats are investigating plenty of other obvious wrong-doing on Trump’s part…
Barr’s very words, “tacit” or"express" neuter his apparently intended meaning. Cohen and Comey describe Trump’s orders as tacitly implied, not directly stated. Don Jr., on the other hand, expressed delight “If it’s what you say it is I love it” and explicitly committed. Back channels were sought explicitly, while tacitly agreeing to secrecy. One expects lawyers to master Latin, and use it accurately. Fail.
Well, Mueller may not have the evidence to prove conspiracy with the Russians, but so many of trump’s own family, Cabinet, campaign and transition team met with Russians and lied about it under oath, and trump himself made sure no Americans were in on his meetings with Putin, and destroyed transcripts, that it takes a blind republican not to see it.
There were never any “collusion” (the Capo’s favorite misdirection) charges; however, given the smoke surrounding the Capo-in-Chief’s disgusting campaign and the irrefutable evidence of Russian offers and attempts to interfere on his behalf, there were certainly suspicions of his campaign’s managers and the Capo himself of conspiring with the Russians to suborn Democracy in the U.S.The fact that Mueller, as thorough as his investigation seems to have been, did not find evidence of such a conspiracy does not mean that such a conspiracy didn’t exist. It means merely that, if there were such a conspiracy, the conspirators did a damn fine job of hiding it.Mueller’s report certainly doesn’t an exoneration of the Capo-in-Chief. As a Scottish jury would declare, a verdict of “not proven”—so the less narcissistic crowing, the better. The fat lady has not yet sung.Before Mr. Ariail and his co-zealots sigh in relief, bear in mind that there are still both state and federal ongoing investigations of the Capo-in-Chief’s ethical, legal, and financial sleights-of-hand, as well as House oversight investigations which are doubly hard given that the GOP Leadershit and the servilely (stress on ‘vile’) attentive GOP Senate will move Heaven (as if the obsequious GOP Leadershit could grasp the concept!) and Earth to foil.2020 is not far off, but, as the Capo-in-Chief removes more and more government programs that the people (who are supposedly in charge) not only want, but also need; as the Capo-in-Chief and his lock-step minions combine with corporate America to tilt the playing field more and more to disadvantage voters; as the Capo-in-Chief and the un-American GOP Senate impose a bizarre régime combining a fundamentalist theocracy bent on reducing women to breeders with a no-holds-barred corporate economy determined to despoil our land, our water, and our air in the name of profit—more and more voters will awaken and, if it’s not too late, rescue what’s left of our nation.
Trump hires Barr to get a no obstruction verdict. Less than 5 weeks after assuming the job, and less than 2 days after “reviewing” 2 years of investigation, Barr says “Trump not guilty of obstruction”. Now that was convenient.
NeoconMan about 5 years ago
From the Barr report, and this is fun: “In assessing potential conspiracy charges, the Special Counsel also considered whether members of the Trump campaign “coordinated” with Russian election interference activities. The Special Counsel defined “coordination” as an “agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference.”
In short, it states there was indeed Russian interference and there was Trump campaign interference in getting Trump elected. They just didn’t happen to work together on it, only separately. So everything’s ok.
DrDon1 about 5 years ago
Safe to say that Ariail believes Barr’s “analysis” but has yet to see Mueller’s actual report. [ There is a difference! ]
wellis1947 Premium Member about 5 years ago
By ANY definition of the word, there WAS “collusion” between Russia and Trump. Just keep in mind that “collusion” in and of itself is not a crime.
Seriously, do I need to point out that we (anybody, actually) have NOT SEEN the Mueller Report – we’ve only been exposed to what a Donald Trump lackey has said is in the report!
Barr “solicited” the position of Attorney General under Trump and Trump appointed him – Trump, a person who fervently believes that EVERYONE in the federal government works for and should “be loyal to” one Donald John Trump. So saying that A.G. Barr is an honorable man descends to the point of being an oxymoron.
Keep in mind that Mueller had a very narrow assignment; to investigate the possibility of the Russian involvement in the 2016 Presidential election and possible involvement of American citizens in assisting in that Russian involvement. Mueller was looking for criminal intent and his thirty-odd indictments shows that he was extremely successful at his endeavor.
It HAS ALWAYS BEEN the job of Congress to determine the guilt or innocence of the sitting President, and, while the findings of the Mueller Investigation will provide a solid basis from which to start, it has always been the House of Representatives responsibility to establish guilt or innocence of the President and the Senate’s responsibility to convict or not, based on the House’s findings.
This is NOT an episode of “Law & Order” – you will probably NEVER hear the term “emoluments” uttered in a court of law. The position of President is unique in all the world and the American president is held to a uniquely higher standard. And, to intimate that the actions of a “two-bit” hoodlum in that position are legally ‘confusing’ is to make the world’s most massive understatement!
I will leave you with one additional admonition – I note one thing about Donald John Trump. Anything Donnie John says, anything at all, is more than likely either a lie or, at best, a distortion!
XtopherSD about 5 years ago
Democrats at campaign events got few questions about Mueller and didn’t talk about it much. Not sure who you are referencing here? Democrats are investigating plenty of other obvious wrong-doing on Trump’s part…
brwydave Premium Member about 5 years ago
The jockey has a whole stable of horses to ride. Some of the others, such as the Income Tax horse may and can go a lot further.
DeepState about 5 years ago
I’m sure he has read the full report…. Especially the art about Trump not being “exonerated”.
jborg Premium Member about 5 years ago
Barr’s very words, “tacit” or"express" neuter his apparently intended meaning. Cohen and Comey describe Trump’s orders as tacitly implied, not directly stated. Don Jr., on the other hand, expressed delight “If it’s what you say it is I love it” and explicitly committed. Back channels were sought explicitly, while tacitly agreeing to secrecy. One expects lawyers to master Latin, and use it accurately. Fail.
kaffekup about 5 years ago
Well, Mueller may not have the evidence to prove conspiracy with the Russians, but so many of trump’s own family, Cabinet, campaign and transition team met with Russians and lied about it under oath, and trump himself made sure no Americans were in on his meetings with Putin, and destroyed transcripts, that it takes a blind republican not to see it.
Bryan Farht about 5 years ago
That horse is clearly sabotaged.
William Bednar Premium Member about 5 years ago
Looks like Robert is beating his own dead horse.
cocavan11 about 5 years ago
There were never any “collusion” (the Capo’s favorite misdirection) charges; however, given the smoke surrounding the Capo-in-Chief’s disgusting campaign and the irrefutable evidence of Russian offers and attempts to interfere on his behalf, there were certainly suspicions of his campaign’s managers and the Capo himself of conspiring with the Russians to suborn Democracy in the U.S.The fact that Mueller, as thorough as his investigation seems to have been, did not find evidence of such a conspiracy does not mean that such a conspiracy didn’t exist. It means merely that, if there were such a conspiracy, the conspirators did a damn fine job of hiding it.Mueller’s report certainly doesn’t an exoneration of the Capo-in-Chief. As a Scottish jury would declare, a verdict of “not proven”—so the less narcissistic crowing, the better. The fat lady has not yet sung.Before Mr. Ariail and his co-zealots sigh in relief, bear in mind that there are still both state and federal ongoing investigations of the Capo-in-Chief’s ethical, legal, and financial sleights-of-hand, as well as House oversight investigations which are doubly hard given that the GOP Leadershit and the servilely (stress on ‘vile’) attentive GOP Senate will move Heaven (as if the obsequious GOP Leadershit could grasp the concept!) and Earth to foil.2020 is not far off, but, as the Capo-in-Chief removes more and more government programs that the people (who are supposedly in charge) not only want, but also need; as the Capo-in-Chief and his lock-step minions combine with corporate America to tilt the playing field more and more to disadvantage voters; as the Capo-in-Chief and the un-American GOP Senate impose a bizarre régime combining a fundamentalist theocracy bent on reducing women to breeders with a no-holds-barred corporate economy determined to despoil our land, our water, and our air in the name of profit—more and more voters will awaken and, if it’s not too late, rescue what’s left of our nation.
russef about 5 years ago
Trump hires Barr to get a no obstruction verdict. Less than 5 weeks after assuming the job, and less than 2 days after “reviewing” 2 years of investigation, Barr says “Trump not guilty of obstruction”. Now that was convenient.