Trff has finally found a home! Lying, paranoia, delusions, throwing people under the bus on a daily basis, it’s PARADISE for a psychopath like Trump…er…Trff!
Trump has publicly endorsed torture many times. Not at all far from reality. Of course, at times we are told to not take trump literally, when it is more convenient for trump.
Not that I’m getting tired of doing this or anything, but I’m getting DAMN tired of doing this: Intelligent people know, and honest people admit, that there are plenty of conservatives who also have complete contempt for the completely contemptible Donald Trump, besides the liberals and moderates who have contempt for him.
I find this whole thread maybe more sad than weird.
But kinda predictable. After all, Hillary’s entire campaign was “Look at me, I’ve lived in the White House, I have ovaries, and I’m not TOO corrupt! Look at him, he’s your worst nightmare!”
So, of course, lots of people believed her.
(Yes, I know: his whole campaign was “Look at me, I’ve had a lot of success and I’m not a politician. Look at her, she’s your worst nightmare!” Not really better.)
Not to say that he’s not a nightmare, but I’ve had worse. I’m trying to give Trump the same benefit of the doubt I gave Obama (who had a tiny bit more of a track record in politics, but none in running anything when he was elected).
You’d think people might give him the benefit of the doubt for the good of the country, but apparently that sort of thinking is very rare these days (on either “wing”).
If you like to think of yourself as a good American, you might consider that having a President fail is probably not going to be good for the country, regardless of his/her party.
If you’re a committed Democrat (or Liberal or Progressive, or whatever you like to call yourself in this vein), you would be better served by acknowledging that, in most states, most people found your message so unattractive that they would even vote for Trump rather than endorse your candidate.
I’ve had a lot of conversations with the two most outspoken Trump supporters in my office (a non-white woman and a gay man, in case you’re curious — which I know you are). They are both intelligent people with considerable IQs and education, and are simply appalled by your message, and by the way you deliver it. They are disgusted by the idea of identity politics and the lack of thought, and (in my estimation) simply supported the candidate they saw as having only one of those vices.
P.S. Living in a purple state, I’ve heard a lot of comments about HRC being a woman: people who support her often said it was a reason (or the only reason) to support her.
People who did not support her said they didn’t feel it was right to vote for her just because she’s a woman. And women often said they felt insulted by the assumption that they should vote for her just because she’s a woman. If you continue to be tone-deaf and refuse to understand how your message (if you can call all the inchoate screaming these day a “message”) lands on those who aren’t true believers, you probably shouldn’t expect to do better in the next election.
It is time to stop talking about the 2016 election, and concentrate on 2017. The election is over. The GOP won. As in the typical GOP victory, BOHICA, OR BEND OVER, HERE IT COMES AGAIN. Who knows whether or not the extreme trump loyalists will ever get it that he is not going to live up to his promises, but I suspect it will begin to sink in soon with a few of them. Joe Biden said, don’t tell me your values, show me your budget and I will tell you what you value. Trump went along with idea of having coal as a means to an end for himself. He doesn’t give a crap about those workers. The healthcare for many of those workers will now be gone thanks to trump and the GOP legislature.
We are also beginning to see accounts of elderly trump voters who are about to lose meals on wheels because the trump administration said it was “not showing results.” But sure, aww give trump a chance…
I would be more than happy to hear criticism of Clinton if she had won the election. She did not, and the democrats will not renominate her since that is not the way they do things. They don’t renominate someone who lost. They did that in the past, but you would have to go back to the 1950s, when Adlai Stevenson ran against Ike a couple times. That era passed long ago.
So we see where Trudeau has chosen to go for the next several months.— The one from a few weeks ago, that had sounded descriptive of Trump/Trump-supporters but was actually about freshmen students, was fun of a different direction.
I voted for HRC because I live in NY and have seen what Clinton did as a Senator and what Trump did as a “businessman.”
In my mind there was no doubt as to who would make the better POTUS.
You are right about Clinton running a flawed campaign. I said to my brother that the irony of Clinton is that she is a horrible candidate but has what it takes to be a great President.
As for giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, all one had to do is listen to his inauguration address to realize the disaster that lays ahead of us.
He has attacked our long time allies without provocation. He has accused a former president of wiretapping him based solely on the opinion of someone on a morning news program. He has designated people for discriminatory action based on their religion. He has used his position for personal financial benefit by doubling the initiation fee for the club he owns after he won the election.
He has been given the benefit of the doubt. Now, I can safely say there is no doubt that he is probably the most corrupt president since Harding.
@LWP I certainly wouldn’t argue with anything you said here. But even Harding got support in many areas from the loyal opposition, even as they were calling him out where they could. Certainly, the country is served by not letting the President (or anyone else in office) get away with some of the things he apparently has with impunity. And, certainly, the country is served by supporting the President where you can give him/her the benefit of the doubt. It’s not a one-time thing. Even when you know that overall, you could never vote for the President.
Since this is his first time in elected office, we should expect a fair number of “rookie mistakes,” and there have indeed been more than a fair number. That doesn’t mean he can’t improve, but undermining him at every turn is not a way to get improvement.
I said almost exactly the same thing to Repubs, 8 years ago, with very similar results.
I’m thinking it would make most of you (Dems and Repubs) happy if I just stopped trying to get anyone to consider the country’s best interest.
It isn’t a question of rookie mistakes. It’s a question of morals. NYC had a billionaire mayor, Michael Bloomberg, from 2002 to 2014. I can honestly say he was the best mayor this city has had during the 46 years I’ve lived here.
His philosophy was: I’ve made enough money for a 100 lifetimes. Now, I want to do something for the city where I made my fortune. He didn’t take a salary; he didn’t live in the official residence.
Trump has had no problem in using the presidency for personal gain and neither have his children. It is a horrible combination of nepotism and kleptocracy.
For a person who has never had held public office, he has decided to surround himself with other people completely lacking public service experience. He has a Secretary of State who knows next to nothing about the major global issues other than how to sign oil contracts. He has an Education Secretary who not only has no experience but loathes education. He appointed a National Security Adviser who turned out to be a foreign agent, or at least should’ve registered as one.
BE THIS GUY about 7 years ago
This explains all the trips to Mar-a-Lago.
They should count the the number of people that get on Air Force One and then get off when he goes to Mar-a-Lago.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member about 7 years ago
For now he can just torture the truth, like the rest of them.
Alexander the Good Enough about 7 years ago
Honest to Murgatroyd, such foresight has Gary Trudeau. He has a character for every occasion, just waiting on the shelf, sometimes for years.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] about 7 years ago
Sadly not too far from the truth even in this.
wdgnas about 7 years ago
alexander the good enough: i recall the phrase heavens to murgatroyd from snagglepuss.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member about 7 years ago
Some people went to a restaurant and the waiter asked them to prove they were residents. Brown shirts are coming!
More or Less Premium Member about 7 years ago
just when you think a cartoon couldn’t get any worse…
Radish the wordsmith about 7 years ago
Just when you thought we couldn’t elect a worst president along comes Tabloid Trump, the Fake News President.
Masterskrain Premium Member about 7 years ago
Trff has finally found a home! Lying, paranoia, delusions, throwing people under the bus on a daily basis, it’s PARADISE for a psychopath like Trump…er…Trff!
Q4horse about 7 years ago
Toture has already been reauthorized so he is all set.
montessoriteacher about 7 years ago
Trump has publicly endorsed torture many times. Not at all far from reality. Of course, at times we are told to not take trump literally, when it is more convenient for trump.
Godfreydaniel about 7 years ago
Not that I’m getting tired of doing this or anything, but I’m getting DAMN tired of doing this: Intelligent people know, and honest people admit, that there are plenty of conservatives who also have complete contempt for the completely contemptible Donald Trump, besides the liberals and moderates who have contempt for him.
jeffiekins about 7 years ago
I find this whole thread maybe more sad than weird.
But kinda predictable. After all, Hillary’s entire campaign was “Look at me, I’ve lived in the White House, I have ovaries, and I’m not TOO corrupt! Look at him, he’s your worst nightmare!”
So, of course, lots of people believed her.
(Yes, I know: his whole campaign was “Look at me, I’ve had a lot of success and I’m not a politician. Look at her, she’s your worst nightmare!” Not really better.)
Not to say that he’s not a nightmare, but I’ve had worse. I’m trying to give Trump the same benefit of the doubt I gave Obama (who had a tiny bit more of a track record in politics, but none in running anything when he was elected).
You’d think people might give him the benefit of the doubt for the good of the country, but apparently that sort of thinking is very rare these days (on either “wing”).
If you like to think of yourself as a good American, you might consider that having a President fail is probably not going to be good for the country, regardless of his/her party.
If you’re a committed Democrat (or Liberal or Progressive, or whatever you like to call yourself in this vein), you would be better served by acknowledging that, in most states, most people found your message so unattractive that they would even vote for Trump rather than endorse your candidate.
I’ve had a lot of conversations with the two most outspoken Trump supporters in my office (a non-white woman and a gay man, in case you’re curious — which I know you are). They are both intelligent people with considerable IQs and education, and are simply appalled by your message, and by the way you deliver it. They are disgusted by the idea of identity politics and the lack of thought, and (in my estimation) simply supported the candidate they saw as having only one of those vices.
comixbomix about 7 years ago
I suspect he won’t have to be missing it for long…
jeffiekins about 7 years ago
P.S. Living in a purple state, I’ve heard a lot of comments about HRC being a woman: people who support her often said it was a reason (or the only reason) to support her.
People who did not support her said they didn’t feel it was right to vote for her just because she’s a woman. And women often said they felt insulted by the assumption that they should vote for her just because she’s a woman. If you continue to be tone-deaf and refuse to understand how your message (if you can call all the inchoate screaming these day a “message”) lands on those who aren’t true believers, you probably shouldn’t expect to do better in the next election.
mourdac Premium Member about 7 years ago
Taking a page from Nixon’s presidency
montessoriteacher about 7 years ago
It is time to stop talking about the 2016 election, and concentrate on 2017. The election is over. The GOP won. As in the typical GOP victory, BOHICA, OR BEND OVER, HERE IT COMES AGAIN. Who knows whether or not the extreme trump loyalists will ever get it that he is not going to live up to his promises, but I suspect it will begin to sink in soon with a few of them. Joe Biden said, don’t tell me your values, show me your budget and I will tell you what you value. Trump went along with idea of having coal as a means to an end for himself. He doesn’t give a crap about those workers. The healthcare for many of those workers will now be gone thanks to trump and the GOP legislature.
montessoriteacher about 7 years ago
We are also beginning to see accounts of elderly trump voters who are about to lose meals on wheels because the trump administration said it was “not showing results.” But sure, aww give trump a chance…
montessoriteacher about 7 years ago
I would be more than happy to hear criticism of Clinton if she had won the election. She did not, and the democrats will not renominate her since that is not the way they do things. They don’t renominate someone who lost. They did that in the past, but you would have to go back to the 1950s, when Adlai Stevenson ran against Ike a couple times. That era passed long ago.
montessoriteacher about 7 years ago
RIP jimmy breslin and chuck berry.
b2plusa2 about 7 years ago
So we see where Trudeau has chosen to go for the next several months.— The one from a few weeks ago, that had sounded descriptive of Trump/Trump-supporters but was actually about freshmen students, was fun of a different direction.
BE THIS GUY about 7 years ago
Is Trfff a citizen?
BE THIS GUY about 7 years ago
@JEFFIEKINS
I voted for HRC because I live in NY and have seen what Clinton did as a Senator and what Trump did as a “businessman.”
In my mind there was no doubt as to who would make the better POTUS.
You are right about Clinton running a flawed campaign. I said to my brother that the irony of Clinton is that she is a horrible candidate but has what it takes to be a great President.
As for giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, all one had to do is listen to his inauguration address to realize the disaster that lays ahead of us.
He has attacked our long time allies without provocation. He has accused a former president of wiretapping him based solely on the opinion of someone on a morning news program. He has designated people for discriminatory action based on their religion. He has used his position for personal financial benefit by doubling the initiation fee for the club he owns after he won the election.
He has been given the benefit of the doubt. Now, I can safely say there is no doubt that he is probably the most corrupt president since Harding.
jeffiekins about 7 years ago
@LWP I certainly wouldn’t argue with anything you said here. But even Harding got support in many areas from the loyal opposition, even as they were calling him out where they could. Certainly, the country is served by not letting the President (or anyone else in office) get away with some of the things he apparently has with impunity. And, certainly, the country is served by supporting the President where you can give him/her the benefit of the doubt. It’s not a one-time thing. Even when you know that overall, you could never vote for the President.
Since this is his first time in elected office, we should expect a fair number of “rookie mistakes,” and there have indeed been more than a fair number. That doesn’t mean he can’t improve, but undermining him at every turn is not a way to get improvement.
I said almost exactly the same thing to Repubs, 8 years ago, with very similar results.
I’m thinking it would make most of you (Dems and Repubs) happy if I just stopped trying to get anyone to consider the country’s best interest.
BE THIS GUY about 7 years ago
@JEFFIEKINS
It isn’t a question of rookie mistakes. It’s a question of morals. NYC had a billionaire mayor, Michael Bloomberg, from 2002 to 2014. I can honestly say he was the best mayor this city has had during the 46 years I’ve lived here.
His philosophy was: I’ve made enough money for a 100 lifetimes. Now, I want to do something for the city where I made my fortune. He didn’t take a salary; he didn’t live in the official residence.
Trump has had no problem in using the presidency for personal gain and neither have his children. It is a horrible combination of nepotism and kleptocracy.
For a person who has never had held public office, he has decided to surround himself with other people completely lacking public service experience. He has a Secretary of State who knows next to nothing about the major global issues other than how to sign oil contracts. He has an Education Secretary who not only has no experience but loathes education. He appointed a National Security Adviser who turned out to be a foreign agent, or at least should’ve registered as one.