Sorry, but that’s a copout. We have to look at who the real culprits are and not throw the baby out with the bath water. The blanket condemnation is exactly what is giving the lunatic fringe their strength.
“EVERYONE in D,C, seems to be equally to blame for the mess we are in now.” AGREED.Experienced politicians are a LIABILITY. After 2 Terms, many R & D are owned by Special Interests. Elect ONLY representatives that promise to promote Bi-partisan Legislation.
“…And let’s not forget the billions more spent on tax cuts for the “Job Creators” who didn’t…” AGREED.And let’s not forget the $Trillion to protect Union Jobs and pay-off votes for BO and blindly build ‘Green’.BTW, I am for Bio-diesel for Truck Stops and CNG for Fleets and Bio-jet fuel for NAVY Jets and Domestic Airlines.
@Tigger“…Obama escalated both wars,and extended the Tax Cuts…” Hear the ‘Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop’?Obama is a ’bush-man. There is a reason. Special Interests can control D as well as R.
Start with throwing out the Corrupt Tax Code.A. 9% for Individual Income over $30 K- no deductions.
B. 9% surcharge for Individual Income over $200 K- no deductions.
C. 9% surcharge for Individual Income over $1 Mill- no deductions.
D. 9% national consumption tax- no exemption for Charity organizations.
E. 9% Capital Gains tax on Stocks held less than 2 years and Capital Gains is also counted again for the Individual Income Tax.
F. All Individual’s Capital Gains, Dividends, Interest, Foreign Income, Farm Income, Subsidies, Grants, Gifts, Loans, Pensions, Social Security, Government Payments, Bail-outs, and expenses benefiting individual are which are paid by others, etc is counted as Income.
G. 9% docked on Elected People’s Salary or Pension when the Budget for their government responsibility (City, County, State, Nation) is not Balanced.
H. Spread Tax surcharge across all Citizens and Legal Entities of the House District when their Representative votes for Increased Spending.
I. 9% Business Profits- All CEO salary, bonuses, benefits and expenses are not deducted- They are paid out of distributions to owners.
J. 9% credit to business Export Sales from USA.
K. 9% credit to business on Net New USA Jobs lasting 1 year.
L. 9% additional credit to business on Net New USA Jobs filled from Welfare Rolls.
M. 9% Revenue Tax on Partnerships & LLC and counted again on Individual Income Taxes.
N. 9% surcharge Tax on value of all Imported Products & Parts sold in USA or used in USA manufacturing.
O. 30% surcharge on value of petroleum products exported from USA or transported within USA boarders to be exported.
If you owe me money, then it is my money you are hanging onto when you don’t pay your debts, not yours. The country owes billions and billions of dollars; we own the country. The national debt is our debt. Those of us who don’t want to contribute to paying off that debt, who whine about it being “their” money and all, are deadbeats, pure and simple. We all owe our fair share in taxes. Now the question is, what each of our fair shares, and how are we to calculate it? There is ground to debate what is “fair” and honest people may have different opinions about that. Then there are current expenditures, the deficit. Nobody likes deficit spending or thinks that it is a good idea in general. Everybody admits that it is necessary at times. How many would have said after Pearl Harbor, to use a obvious example, that we simply could not afford to spend money we didn’t have, fighting Japan on borrowed money? That we would just have to make a deal with the Japanese, because tax increases or borrowing would be necessary to fight? We could probably all agree that temporary deficit spending is acceptable for necessities, and unacceptable for luxuries. So the question is, what is necessary and what is a luxury. Honest people may have different opinions about these things. To give the example suggested in this cartoon. We all agree than it is better for most people to be employed by private industry than by the government. I’ve never heard anyone other than a few kooks say otherwise. The question is, when private industry isn’t employing enough people, should government just ignore that situation, get out of the way as some would say, and let nature take its course, or should government act? If if government should act, should it act to (1) directly employ people, (2) stimulate employment by subsidizing private employers, or (3) stimulate employment by collecting less in taxes than what, in better times, would be considered a “fair share” toward common expenses? Really, there is no essential difference between (2) and (3). From any given starting point, giving someone a tax break or giving him a subsidy is essentially the same thing. Is the government acting to put more money in his pocket than he would have had if the government had done nothing. Some people refuse to see this. They think a rebate and a discount are different things, when they are just two different ways of accomplishing the same purpose. <br? So yes, Harley, we “spend” money on tax breaks, however that offends your notions of logic. My only real point, is that these issues should be considered from a pragmatic and not ideological standpoint; and just because we have different ideas about what would be most effectual, the name-calling, and insults we levy against one another serve no purpose at all but that of making any solution or progress that much more difficult.
My dear departed Father always said…Vote for a republican and you get War, Debt, and Taxes. Vote Democratic and you get taxes. I, for one, would like to just pay my fair share of taxes.
“That’s right, Iraq had no connection to 9/11. Saddam was removed as the leader because of UN Resolution 1441.”Based on falsified evidence presented by the US.
@eryxWhere were you when BO loaned $Billions to Auto Companies to keep UAW voters employed? Did you notice that later, BO forgave $ Billion in Loans to GM and $1 Billion was spent to buy Volt cars. Didn’t you read BO’s announcements to Unions how he spent the Stimulus on THEM. $500 Million is a lot of govt cash to give a flawed Solar company. You know about other giveaways. The press estimated that the Stimulus spent an average of over $100,000 on each claimed new job.
braindead Premium Member almost 12 years ago
I didn’t believe I ever see a major political party deliberately damage the nation’s economy in order to win an election.Welcome to the new normal.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
It is obviously INDUSTRIES JOB! Mittens said so!
walruscarver2000 almost 12 years ago
Sorry, but that’s a copout. We have to look at who the real culprits are and not throw the baby out with the bath water. The blanket condemnation is exactly what is giving the lunatic fringe their strength.
NDeeZ almost 12 years ago
Tough to negotiate with someone whose negotiating stance is “I get everything I want, and you get nothing you want; on this I am resolute.”
Justice22 almost 12 years ago
High unemployment is good for employers. They get better employees for little pay and benefits.
mkmeos almost 12 years ago
Harlelyquinn:the word is “naught” as in “nothing”.
Justice22 almost 12 years ago
You may as well add the vietnam war, Korean war, WWII and Granada to the wars that Obama got us into.*
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 12 years ago
“EVERYONE in D,C, seems to be equally to blame for the mess we are in now.” AGREED.Experienced politicians are a LIABILITY. After 2 Terms, many R & D are owned by Special Interests. Elect ONLY representatives that promise to promote Bi-partisan Legislation.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 12 years ago
“…And let’s not forget the billions more spent on tax cuts for the “Job Creators” who didn’t…” AGREED.And let’s not forget the $Trillion to protect Union Jobs and pay-off votes for BO and blindly build ‘Green’.BTW, I am for Bio-diesel for Truck Stops and CNG for Fleets and Bio-jet fuel for NAVY Jets and Domestic Airlines.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 12 years ago
@Tigger“…Obama escalated both wars,and extended the Tax Cuts…” Hear the ‘Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop’?Obama is a ’bush-man. There is a reason. Special Interests can control D as well as R.
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Start with throwing out the Corrupt Tax Code.A. 9% for Individual Income over $30 K- no deductions.
B. 9% surcharge for Individual Income over $200 K- no deductions.
C. 9% surcharge for Individual Income over $1 Mill- no deductions.
D. 9% national consumption tax- no exemption for Charity organizations.
E. 9% Capital Gains tax on Stocks held less than 2 years and Capital Gains is also counted again for the Individual Income Tax.
F. All Individual’s Capital Gains, Dividends, Interest, Foreign Income, Farm Income, Subsidies, Grants, Gifts, Loans, Pensions, Social Security, Government Payments, Bail-outs, and expenses benefiting individual are which are paid by others, etc is counted as Income.
G. 9% docked on Elected People’s Salary or Pension when the Budget for their government responsibility (City, County, State, Nation) is not Balanced.
H. Spread Tax surcharge across all Citizens and Legal Entities of the House District when their Representative votes for Increased Spending.
I. 9% Business Profits- All CEO salary, bonuses, benefits and expenses are not deducted- They are paid out of distributions to owners.
J. 9% credit to business Export Sales from USA.
K. 9% credit to business on Net New USA Jobs lasting 1 year.
L. 9% additional credit to business on Net New USA Jobs filled from Welfare Rolls.
M. 9% Revenue Tax on Partnerships & LLC and counted again on Individual Income Taxes.
N. 9% surcharge Tax on value of all Imported Products & Parts sold in USA or used in USA manufacturing.
O. 30% surcharge on value of petroleum products exported from USA or transported within USA boarders to be exported.
danketaz Premium Member almost 12 years ago
ah. checks and balances … work?
ARodney almost 12 years ago
Wow, Harley says that Obama got us into Iraq and Afghanistan? His grasp of history is as deluded as his grasp of science.
william32 Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Job creators is a foolish statement…there is no such thing.
Doughfoot almost 12 years ago
If you owe me money, then it is my money you are hanging onto when you don’t pay your debts, not yours. The country owes billions and billions of dollars; we own the country. The national debt is our debt. Those of us who don’t want to contribute to paying off that debt, who whine about it being “their” money and all, are deadbeats, pure and simple. We all owe our fair share in taxes. Now the question is, what each of our fair shares, and how are we to calculate it? There is ground to debate what is “fair” and honest people may have different opinions about that. Then there are current expenditures, the deficit. Nobody likes deficit spending or thinks that it is a good idea in general. Everybody admits that it is necessary at times. How many would have said after Pearl Harbor, to use a obvious example, that we simply could not afford to spend money we didn’t have, fighting Japan on borrowed money? That we would just have to make a deal with the Japanese, because tax increases or borrowing would be necessary to fight? We could probably all agree that temporary deficit spending is acceptable for necessities, and unacceptable for luxuries. So the question is, what is necessary and what is a luxury. Honest people may have different opinions about these things. To give the example suggested in this cartoon. We all agree than it is better for most people to be employed by private industry than by the government. I’ve never heard anyone other than a few kooks say otherwise. The question is, when private industry isn’t employing enough people, should government just ignore that situation, get out of the way as some would say, and let nature take its course, or should government act? If if government should act, should it act to (1) directly employ people, (2) stimulate employment by subsidizing private employers, or (3) stimulate employment by collecting less in taxes than what, in better times, would be considered a “fair share” toward common expenses? Really, there is no essential difference between (2) and (3). From any given starting point, giving someone a tax break or giving him a subsidy is essentially the same thing. Is the government acting to put more money in his pocket than he would have had if the government had done nothing. Some people refuse to see this. They think a rebate and a discount are different things, when they are just two different ways of accomplishing the same purpose. <br? So yes, Harley, we “spend” money on tax breaks, however that offends your notions of logic. My only real point, is that these issues should be considered from a pragmatic and not ideological standpoint; and just because we have different ideas about what would be most effectual, the name-calling, and insults we levy against one another serve no purpose at all but that of making any solution or progress that much more difficult.
joe vignone almost 12 years ago
They are doing a great job of creating wealth, you betcha…for themselves.
nerual53 Premium Member almost 12 years ago
My dear departed Father always said…Vote for a republican and you get War, Debt, and Taxes. Vote Democratic and you get taxes. I, for one, would like to just pay my fair share of taxes.
joe vignone almost 12 years ago
Check this out and let me know what you think…http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/04/16
Jason Allen almost 12 years ago
“That’s right, Iraq had no connection to 9/11. Saddam was removed as the leader because of UN Resolution 1441.”Based on falsified evidence presented by the US.
Ketira almost 12 years ago
You have a point. I’m tired of it as well, but what can We the People do about it?
Bilword almost 12 years ago
they are hiring prison guards
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 12 years ago
@eryxWhere were you when BO loaned $Billions to Auto Companies to keep UAW voters employed? Did you notice that later, BO forgave $ Billion in Loans to GM and $1 Billion was spent to buy Volt cars. Didn’t you read BO’s announcements to Unions how he spent the Stimulus on THEM. $500 Million is a lot of govt cash to give a flawed Solar company. You know about other giveaways. The press estimated that the Stimulus spent an average of over $100,000 on each claimed new job.