Folks, we have a problem!Wikipedia is preparing to delete the Endtown entry!!The complaint is that the references are either all primary or unreliable. If anyone who knows how to edit wiki entries can step in and make the appropriate changes, it would be very much appreciated.
Well, this explains the congration of junk. He could make a fortune out of stuff in his bins. OK, what does he really have in mind for our hero and heroine? Sell them to the highest bidder of lucranians .They are absolutely a bargin buy. Real lions and mice that act like real humans. Much better than that creepy fake stuff that call themselves the TS. HMMM? I am really looking forward to meeting them face to cartoon. Goodo AaronBlessed Be
Ah! The Lucranian Gambit! Let’s hope they don’t wise up and come looking for their ship. Never a good idea to cheat a professional cheater. It is widely known that they do not adhere to the belief that immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
It strikes me as curious This bumbling fool Would risk making furious Those who could school This man in cheating But what now has occurred As one arc’s completing We head for absurd… =|====/ Level Head Vote for Endtown 2.0 And for Doc Rat, too The Endtown Forum Charter member of the Consortium to get Aaron a Tablet
The wiki entry is too detailed and some of the external links can be moved to the references, like the interviews. That and trimming it down will make it more in line with most other wiki entries.
?? Well, ok… and this is supposed to be a problem how? Where the heck did all this bilge come from? If you want to leave, by all means do so. I seriously doubt that many people here will have their days dimished because of your absence.
“…the LEASE of your problems?” “…decision to SERVER tides…?” “this graphic of yours novel…?”
Maybe you should skip reading “U.S. Arces” and pick up an old copy of a McGuffey’s Reader instead. Generations of American schoolchildren learned how to spell with those.
Oh look, a troll. Not seen very often here. Most can’t stand anything being good & fun and the readers and comments actually getting along. Drives them crazy. A sure sign the strip is a success. Well done!
Wow! Can’t believe that vitriol was spewing as I was commenting, too! I just checked back in. US Acres? Yikes! No brain activity required!But was that, seriously, necessary?!?Pay him no mind, Aaron, we love you!
@Josh Well, that was random! If you and your email pals have issues with the strip, then by all means please leave! May I just ask what exactly is “server tides”? Never quite heard that term before…. Good luck enjoying your new strip. We will certainly be here enjoying ours!
Gee Josh, you ain’t got no etiket good. Choose your words nicely. If no, then don’t writes. -— Just wanted him to understand. Good grief. Today we have to be PC, but we don’t have to be polite I guess.
Guess it’s just: Endtown—too high-brow for the uni-brow. Keep doing what you do Aaron. Remember the old saying, “If one man calls you a jackass, you need not worry. If many men call you a jackass, it’s time to go out and buy a saddle.” You, sir, need not worry about the saddle. Press on.
@josh, Well… If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all… Just pack up your gear and move on. Oh, and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
You have got to be kidding me! While I wouldn’t recommend it for the pre-teen crowd, there’s nothing here that’s not present one hundred times over every night on network TV. As a 54 yr old, married 30+ yrs, father of 3 boys, former Eagle Scout, evangelical Christian, former naval officer, long time Scoutmaster, former youth sports coach, rock solid conservative Republican and proud grandfather I will tell you in no uncertain terms that NOTHING in the Universe Neathery as manifested in the product known as “Endtown” is unfit for MY moral standards sir. I would advise you to eat a healthy, high fiber breakfast and refrain from making broad, general condemnations in th future.
No problem finder. My comments were made tongue in cheek, anyway. It may take all types to make the world go round, but the less heard from some types the better.
May not have liked what Josh posted, but this group is at its best (and sometimes funniest) when upset and gets behind a cause! Bring it on Josh, you just make us better.
Were you trying to say, “That’s the least of your problem!”? And since “least” refers to more than one, problem should actually be plural, i.e. problems.But that aside, your leaving this strip hardly seems to be a greater emergency than the potential deletion of the Endtown Wikipedia article.“Whom makest thou thyself?” [John 8:53]
Josh, I am a Christian and a leader in my church and neither I nor my pastor or our Bishop (Methodist) see any moral problem in Endtown. Quite the contrary. Endtown exhibits great moral lessons about senseless conflict and how our fellow man should be treated (even if he is a cat!)Truthfully, the fact that our heroes and villains act so true to human nature just drives the lessons home.
It’s hard to be twelve, isn’t it? Don’t let the door hit you, but give the strip another look in three or four years. It’s surprising how much smarter adults get as you get older.
Man, we are well on our way to breaking 100 again and without any apparent deaths this time! I think we should all pop over to US Acres and say thanks to Josh ;-)
They’ve been on board seven hours and that poor PT is still sitting all alone down in the hold! Come on Petey, what happened to “I’ll stay close from now on”? Out of sight, out of mind?
Some people just like to stir trouble… instigators… wanting to see what happens after making remarks that seem off the wall. If @Josh were really gone, he wouldn’t have come back 4 hours after his first comment, just to make another remark. ;)
Hey! I just get back on line to find a bunch of wrestling matches going on. And with what seems to be mud. The faithful must not fail. We are the faithful.Blessed Be
A little lesson, Josh, on what’s important:A certain Pastor at a church once gave a Sermon. In it he said, “Millions of people in the world are starving to death, and most of you don’t even give a shit.”There was a stunned silence. Then the Pastor resumed."And the worst part of it, that more of you people are offended because I just said “Shit,” than the fact that millions of people are starving to death."
Yes, the Topsiders wouldn’t have let Linda see her son no matter what she did or how nicely she behaved. That episode does nothing to prove your point, quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. Having so-called bad language is the least of offenses. Or do you think it ranks up there with rape and murder?
As far as the characters swearing goes, it’s what people do. Sometimes it’s unnecessary and excessive. Sometimes it’s completely warranted under the circumstances. But it’s what people do in the real world. Aaron writes characters that are realistic, that behave as real people would do.And the fact is that real people swear. And if real people had even a fraction of the things happen to them that that the characters in Endtown have, I can gurantee you’d have a lot of swearing.
There was a Marvel Comic one time that had this black pimp saying, “No, spit for brains…” That was so phony. No character like that would ever use that word instead of, well, you know. The writer might not have been bad, but his hands were definitely tied by the Comics Code Authority. Nonetheless, he could have tried harder to get around that, and still sound realistic.
Obscenity? What the HELL are you talking about?What are you? Five?This is the dialogue from the January 24th strip:Linda: Listen, Dammit!! I need to see my child!! You lied to me!!! You owe me this!!!Topsider: We owe you nothing, Kowalski…Linda: I put my ass on the line for this community!! I risked my life securing what turns out to be a fake rocket from crazy mutants while wearing a flawed biosuit!!!Linda: AND FOR WHAT?!?Linda: You put my child on now, you rotten son of a bitch!!!Topsider: Goodbye, Kowalski…Linda: [SWIRL; STAR; EXCLAIM; EXCLAIM; LIGHTNING BOLT]That’s what you call obscene, boy?Because in the height of her fury, finding out she’s been betrayed, she uses words like dammit and ass and son of a bitch?I don’t hear you saying anything about the Topsider’s attitude, even though, that was the true obscenity.If that’s how you react to a fictional comic strip, you’re going to have a ton of problems when you have to deal with the Real World.
Aaron did not write specific obscenities into his strip. They come from your own head, sir. If you thought he was saying “fudge”, well, that would be alright now, wouldn’t it!- I pat you on the head and send you off to bed with warm cookies and cold milk-
So, let’s talk about Obscenity, boy.I know it’s dangerous to make assumptions. But your mention of your “Elders” saying “When you swear you’re not hurting anyone but yourself!” makes me wonder if you’ve come from some kind of fundamentalist background. You know, there are some of these people who think that using “bad words” is the “Sin against the Holy Ghost.” That’s really ironic since the Bible [which supposedly is their authority] has some pretty choice passages.One of my personal favorites is II Kings 18:27. “But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you.”That is so cool! And it’s repeated nearly word for word in Isaiah 36:12 [King James].So, let’s talk about Obscenity, boy.
Swearing is a natural human reaction—whether right or wrong. Aaron Neathery is showing these characters in a realistic way.He does not use swear words to do this, only symbols representing the “bad” words.As far as the real world, even the most moral people swear when upset or startled. It is a part of lanquage even the most pious evangelistic ministers have been known to do so. For that matter, what is “bad” language changes and, dare I use the word, “evolves” as time passes. We use words today which would have been considered profane in the time of Christ and words considered profane today were common terms in His day. Profanity is strictly defined by contemporary culture.
What specifcally do you see as obscene?That word refers specifically to sexual matters and I do not believe Aaron has ever had his characters use sexual language.
@Josh“Son of a bitch” is a literal comparison to a dog (which in Aaron’s world might not even be an insult). While perjorative, it has only been considered profanity in the last hundred years or so while it has been known to be in use since before Christ.Dammit is a mild form of Damn It and Damn has never been considered profane by any religion including the most fundamentalist. In fact your minister has probably used it in a sermon.
“My problem is obscenity! That’s what the problem is”
Ok, so you’re upset by some of the words used in the strip. From this, you attack ME in your first post in today’s comments. You tell Aaron to shove his books up his ass. You attack everyone in this group uniformly as having no morals. And then like a troll, come back to continue whining after saying that you’ll never come back again. Would it make a difference if I told you that if you’re promising to eff off, that you should just eff off?
@JoshSorry, I just have to make one more comment.Words in themselves are not bad, evil, or obscene. It is only how they are used and perceived which makes them so. George Carlin’s “Seven Words You Can’t Say On Television” points this out very effectively. This comic has very carefully crafted language which Aaron uses to define each of the characters so that they appear as real individuals. Note Aaron Marx’s frequent use of Yiddish. This would be a dull story indeed if everyone used only proper, acceptable language.
Thank you for the apology.We try to be respectful here even when we do not agree. We all have opinions and try to express them without the vitriol in your first post. All of the comics you have mentioned require little thought. I also read many of them for light entertainment. I read Endtown for a thought provoking, emotion evoking thoughful story. And due to its many layers and excellent art a story arc must continue longer than those of lighter fare.
“HAPPY TRAILS!!!!” Josh I don’t know what you’ve been using to get happy, but it sure must be some powerful stuff. You initially burst into the room with vague allusions and unspecific complaints, then you cast aspersions on Aaron’s attempts to earn a living by telling him just where he can put the books which are the very fruits of his own labors.Next you come back and imply that anyone who reads and enjoys Aaron’s works is immoral gutter trash. After that you came back a third time to tell us "It’s the obscenity, stupid!Now, after becoming the recipient of a full day’s worth of well earned indignation and reproach, you are amazed and claim your problem is actually that you suffer from a short attention span! You say you respect Aaron talent! Sir, you sure have a funny way of showing it. I don’t know who spit in your cornflakes this morning to set you off, but I feel safe in stating that you picked the wrong dog to kick. Most of us here consider Aaron to be an exceptional talent, and many of us have come to consider him a friend. I suggest you keep that in mind the next time you feel the urge to go “psycho”.
This mission to take out the Topsiders’ rocket may be the large story arc, but there have been many, many side arcs (the monster & her teddybear, Flask’s issues, Linda, Wally’s backstory, etc.etc.etc), and today we are introduced to the Lucranians --we don’t know where this will lead! So Josh, there is variety in the Endtown Comic.
The “ironic poster” doesn’t think you’re five. He just asked you if you were five, because that’s how you were behaving. You talked trash like an infant. You spew out one line of garbage “Oh by the way, take that graphic of yours novel you’re selling and SHOVE IT!!!” after another “This web comic is unfit for everyone’s moral standards!” and then it’s “My problem is obscenity! That’s what the problem is!”.And now you go on to something completely different. Now it’s how long the stories are. And we answer you everyone, and when you find you can’t bullshit us, you come up with some other “complaint” to excuse your atrocious behaviour.If you’re not five, you’re acting just like a fifteen year old comic book fanboy. These are the kind who complain and say of their regurgitated, pre-digested comic book crap “I like my stories three issues max.”Well, with Aaron you’re getting a writer who serves the needs of his story. He’s giving you a full course meal, and not just a candy bar for a quick energy fix.Glad you apologized. Yes, you were way out of line and most of all, it was unnecessary. I get full of vitriol myself, sometimes, but I’m smart enough to hold it in. Often when people speak in the spur of the moment, they say things they regret later. And these days, more and more I try not only to consider how I’m going to come across, but how I what I say can be most effective.
Wow. All of this fire and hate and immature grammatically-incorrect banter over this one comic? I can understand if it’s not to your tastes. Endtown is the type of comic that requires a certain suspension of disbelief, and contains a mesh of cartoony elements with very serious topics. It might not be to everyone’s tastes, but to make such a spectacle and claiming we as readers who enjoy Endtown have no moral compass over the comic’s language? Seriously?
I personally find the language to be very ‘real.’ Not everyone talks like they’re on a Saturday morning cartoon, and I would think that with the presence of imminent death, psychological torture (from the Topsiders, from Flask, etc.), graphic situations like the extraction of brains to power technology and the existence/acknowledgement of sexual content (as very tastefully done/non-graphic as it is), I would think that an occasional swear word wouldn’t be such a shock. They don’t even really swear that much, not nearly as bad or as often as other stories I’ve seen.That being said, you’re well within your rights to be offended and leave. It’s not the fact that you’re leaving that has everyone in such an uproar – it’s the way you chose to do it. Telling Aaron where he can stick his graphic novel, personally attacking TSOJ and just the whole angry tone of your original comment doesn’t feel like someone who is simply uninclined to continue. It’s a personal attack on both the author and the readers, and devaluing their story and hard work. I know from personal experience (being an animator working to get an original series off the ground, myself) how hard this field is and what a commitment it requires.Anyway, if you don’t like the language, the story, its length or whatever offends you so much, then go read/watch stories you do like.On another note, very amusing reactions, guys!! Way to defend the Endtown mothership (bro-fist!)
Wow, this one thread has been looking a lot like what usually goes on with Luann threads. I kept waiting for mojitobaby to weigh in with at least one of her pronouncements. Way to get us going, Josh. Now let’s return our concentration to what REALLY matters: What is Flask up to?
Ida No almost 12 years ago
Folks, we have a problem!Wikipedia is preparing to delete the Endtown entry!!The complaint is that the references are either all primary or unreliable. If anyone who knows how to edit wiki entries can step in and make the appropriate changes, it would be very much appreciated.
bikenboatn almost 12 years ago
New players!
dirtyoldlady1 almost 12 years ago
Well, this explains the congration of junk. He could make a fortune out of stuff in his bins. OK, what does he really have in mind for our hero and heroine? Sell them to the highest bidder of lucranians .They are absolutely a bargin buy. Real lions and mice that act like real humans. Much better than that creepy fake stuff that call themselves the TS. HMMM? I am really looking forward to meeting them face to cartoon. Goodo AaronBlessed Be
dirtyoldlady1 almost 12 years ago
Thanks to all of you for your well wishes. OH only if wishes to make you well……..Blessed Be
SynDrome almost 12 years ago
Ah! The plot thickens!
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
Ah! The Lucranian Gambit! Let’s hope they don’t wise up and come looking for their ship. Never a good idea to cheat a professional cheater. It is widely known that they do not adhere to the belief that immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
This more like the AaronM we know from other strips. Well meaning but bumbling. As if Topsider’s weren’t enough, now we have Lucranians to del with!
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
It would seem our heros were a “blue light special” ;-)
Level_Head almost 12 years ago
It strikes me as curious This bumbling fool Would risk making furious Those who could school This man in cheating But what now has occurred As one arc’s completing We head for absurd… =|====/ Level Head Vote for Endtown 2.0 And for Doc Rat, too The Endtown Forum Charter member of the Consortium to get Aaron a Tablet
firedome almost 12 years ago
so the lucranians are the not-so-bright cousins of the ferengi?
Jenner Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Hmmm…And to think this all started out with two guys who were bored with eating beans.
spamster almost 12 years ago
The wiki entry is too detailed and some of the external links can be moved to the references, like the interviews. That and trimming it down will make it more in line with most other wiki entries.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
Well, there’s your time reference. They’ve been onboard seven hrs.
crookedwolf Premium Member almost 12 years ago
And whilst they argue, Flask is worming her way deeper into the electronic mind of the ship…
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
?? Well, ok… and this is supposed to be a problem how? Where the heck did all this bilge come from? If you want to leave, by all means do so. I seriously doubt that many people here will have their days dimished because of your absence.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
I mean really, when has one of Flask’s plans ever worked out as intended?
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Leave if you like but it would be nice if you gave some constructive suggestions for improvement rather than just trolling.
Guilty Bystander almost 12 years ago
“…the LEASE of your problems?” “…decision to SERVER tides…?” “this graphic of yours novel…?”
Maybe you should skip reading “U.S. Arces” and pick up an old copy of a McGuffey’s Reader instead. Generations of American schoolchildren learned how to spell with those.
Storm F-1/4 almost 12 years ago
Oh look, a troll. Not seen very often here. Most can’t stand anything being good & fun and the readers and comments actually getting along. Drives them crazy. A sure sign the strip is a success. Well done!
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
So what’s the secret password for CAT?
Ida No almost 12 years ago
Is it something I said?
crookedwolf Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Wow! Can’t believe that vitriol was spewing as I was commenting, too! I just checked back in. US Acres? Yikes! No brain activity required!But was that, seriously, necessary?!?Pay him no mind, Aaron, we love you!
starlilies almost 12 years ago
@Josh Well, that was random! If you and your email pals have issues with the strip, then by all means please leave! May I just ask what exactly is “server tides”? Never quite heard that term before…. Good luck enjoying your new strip. We will certainly be here enjoying ours!
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
Gee Josh, you ain’t got no etiket good. Choose your words nicely. If no, then don’t writes. -— Just wanted him to understand. Good grief. Today we have to be PC, but we don’t have to be polite I guess.
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
Guess it’s just: Endtown—too high-brow for the uni-brow. Keep doing what you do Aaron. Remember the old saying, “If one man calls you a jackass, you need not worry. If many men call you a jackass, it’s time to go out and buy a saddle.” You, sir, need not worry about the saddle. Press on.
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
Snerk!
ConstanzeN almost 12 years ago
@josh, Well… If you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all… Just pack up your gear and move on. Oh, and don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
You have got to be kidding me! While I wouldn’t recommend it for the pre-teen crowd, there’s nothing here that’s not present one hundred times over every night on network TV. As a 54 yr old, married 30+ yrs, father of 3 boys, former Eagle Scout, evangelical Christian, former naval officer, long time Scoutmaster, former youth sports coach, rock solid conservative Republican and proud grandfather I will tell you in no uncertain terms that NOTHING in the Universe Neathery as manifested in the product known as “Endtown” is unfit for MY moral standards sir. I would advise you to eat a healthy, high fiber breakfast and refrain from making broad, general condemnations in th future.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
No problem finder. My comments were made tongue in cheek, anyway. It may take all types to make the world go round, but the less heard from some types the better.
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
Oops! Sorry DAD forgot the :-) I was talking about the high fiber breakfast, not your wonderful demographics.
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
May not have liked what Josh posted, but this group is at its best (and sometimes funniest) when upset and gets behind a cause! Bring it on Josh, you just make us better.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
Holy Styrofoam, Batman! (makes no sense unless you check out “Doc Rat”)
cindyorch almost 12 years ago
well go then—we don’t like you or your kind anyway….. whatever your kind is?!!??
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
Shucks, twern’t nuttin ;-) (very obscure Wizard of Oz reference)
finder10030 almost 12 years ago
Hey there, dbig 1oohh, I’m AF retired also (27 years). Glad to hear there’s another aboard.
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
Were you trying to say, “That’s the least of your problem!”? And since “least” refers to more than one, problem should actually be plural, i.e. problems.But that aside, your leaving this strip hardly seems to be a greater emergency than the potential deletion of the Endtown Wikipedia article.“Whom makest thou thyself?” [John 8:53]
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
You still here?I think what you might mean is anyone’s.
Coyoty Premium Member almost 12 years ago
I guess Josh (and Tink and whatever other alternate identities he had his meeting with) got tired of trolling Daddy’s Home.
Coyoty Premium Member almost 12 years ago
I guess Marx aced that game.“Got any aces?”
“Gee, I had an ace somewhere, now where did it go… Go fish.”
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Josh, I am a Christian and a leader in my church and neither I nor my pastor or our Bishop (Methodist) see any moral problem in Endtown. Quite the contrary. Endtown exhibits great moral lessons about senseless conflict and how our fellow man should be treated (even if he is a cat!)Truthfully, the fact that our heroes and villains act so true to human nature just drives the lessons home.
dcp9142 almost 12 years ago
It’s hard to be twelve, isn’t it? Don’t let the door hit you, but give the strip another look in three or four years. It’s surprising how much smarter adults get as you get older.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Like talking to kids and dogs—always better at eye level.
Storm F-1/4 almost 12 years ago
I salute you! Thank you for your service.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
Man, we are well on our way to breaking 100 again and without any apparent deaths this time! I think we should all pop over to US Acres and say thanks to Josh ;-)
ConstanzeN almost 12 years ago
Lets remember folks…even with all this excitement, we still need to vote. Endtown & Doc Rat. Keep the ball rolling, guys and gals. Vote-Vote-Vote!
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
They’ve been on board seven hours and that poor PT is still sitting all alone down in the hold! Come on Petey, what happened to “I’ll stay close from now on”? Out of sight, out of mind?
starlilies almost 12 years ago
Some people just like to stir trouble… instigators… wanting to see what happens after making remarks that seem off the wall. If @Josh were really gone, he wouldn’t have come back 4 hours after his first comment, just to make another remark. ;)
YOU ALL ROCK! :-D
dirtyoldlady1 almost 12 years ago
Hey! I just get back on line to find a bunch of wrestling matches going on. And with what seems to be mud. The faithful must not fail. We are the faithful.Blessed Be
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
A little lesson, Josh, on what’s important:A certain Pastor at a church once gave a Sermon. In it he said, “Millions of people in the world are starving to death, and most of you don’t even give a shit.”There was a stunned silence. Then the Pastor resumed."And the worst part of it, that more of you people are offended because I just said “Shit,” than the fact that millions of people are starving to death."
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
Yes, the Topsiders wouldn’t have let Linda see her son no matter what she did or how nicely she behaved. That episode does nothing to prove your point, quite the opposite, as a matter of fact. Having so-called bad language is the least of offenses. Or do you think it ranks up there with rape and murder?
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
As far as the characters swearing goes, it’s what people do. Sometimes it’s unnecessary and excessive. Sometimes it’s completely warranted under the circumstances. But it’s what people do in the real world. Aaron writes characters that are realistic, that behave as real people would do.And the fact is that real people swear. And if real people had even a fraction of the things happen to them that that the characters in Endtown have, I can gurantee you’d have a lot of swearing.
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
There was a Marvel Comic one time that had this black pimp saying, “No, spit for brains…” That was so phony. No character like that would ever use that word instead of, well, you know. The writer might not have been bad, but his hands were definitely tied by the Comics Code Authority. Nonetheless, he could have tried harder to get around that, and still sound realistic.
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
Obscenity? What the HELL are you talking about?What are you? Five?This is the dialogue from the January 24th strip:Linda: Listen, Dammit!! I need to see my child!! You lied to me!!! You owe me this!!!Topsider: We owe you nothing, Kowalski…Linda: I put my ass on the line for this community!! I risked my life securing what turns out to be a fake rocket from crazy mutants while wearing a flawed biosuit!!!Linda: AND FOR WHAT?!?Linda: You put my child on now, you rotten son of a bitch!!!Topsider: Goodbye, Kowalski…Linda: [SWIRL; STAR; EXCLAIM; EXCLAIM; LIGHTNING BOLT]That’s what you call obscene, boy?Because in the height of her fury, finding out she’s been betrayed, she uses words like dammit and ass and son of a bitch?I don’t hear you saying anything about the Topsider’s attitude, even though, that was the true obscenity.If that’s how you react to a fictional comic strip, you’re going to have a ton of problems when you have to deal with the Real World.
crookedwolf Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Aaron did not write specific obscenities into his strip. They come from your own head, sir. If you thought he was saying “fudge”, well, that would be alright now, wouldn’t it!- I pat you on the head and send you off to bed with warm cookies and cold milk-
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
So, let’s talk about Obscenity, boy.I know it’s dangerous to make assumptions. But your mention of your “Elders” saying “When you swear you’re not hurting anyone but yourself!” makes me wonder if you’ve come from some kind of fundamentalist background. You know, there are some of these people who think that using “bad words” is the “Sin against the Holy Ghost.” That’s really ironic since the Bible [which supposedly is their authority] has some pretty choice passages.One of my personal favorites is II Kings 18:27. “But Rab-shakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you.”That is so cool! And it’s repeated nearly word for word in Isaiah 36:12 [King James].So, let’s talk about Obscenity, boy.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Swearing is a natural human reaction—whether right or wrong. Aaron Neathery is showing these characters in a realistic way.He does not use swear words to do this, only symbols representing the “bad” words.As far as the real world, even the most moral people swear when upset or startled. It is a part of lanquage even the most pious evangelistic ministers have been known to do so. For that matter, what is “bad” language changes and, dare I use the word, “evolves” as time passes. We use words today which would have been considered profane in the time of Christ and words considered profane today were common terms in His day. Profanity is strictly defined by contemporary culture.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
What specifcally do you see as obscene?That word refers specifically to sexual matters and I do not believe Aaron has ever had his characters use sexual language.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
@Josh“Son of a bitch” is a literal comparison to a dog (which in Aaron’s world might not even be an insult). While perjorative, it has only been considered profanity in the last hundred years or so while it has been known to be in use since before Christ.Dammit is a mild form of Damn It and Damn has never been considered profane by any religion including the most fundamentalist. In fact your minister has probably used it in a sermon.
Ida No almost 12 years ago
“My problem is obscenity! That’s what the problem is”
Ok, so you’re upset by some of the words used in the strip. From this, you attack ME in your first post in today’s comments. You tell Aaron to shove his books up his ass. You attack everyone in this group uniformly as having no morals. And then like a troll, come back to continue whining after saying that you’ll never come back again. Would it make a difference if I told you that if you’re promising to eff off, that you should just eff off?
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
@JoshSorry, I just have to make one more comment.Words in themselves are not bad, evil, or obscene. It is only how they are used and perceived which makes them so. George Carlin’s “Seven Words You Can’t Say On Television” points this out very effectively. This comic has very carefully crafted language which Aaron uses to define each of the characters so that they appear as real individuals. Note Aaron Marx’s frequent use of Yiddish. This would be a dull story indeed if everyone used only proper, acceptable language.
JanBic Premium Member almost 12 years ago
Thank you for the apology.We try to be respectful here even when we do not agree. We all have opinions and try to express them without the vitriol in your first post. All of the comics you have mentioned require little thought. I also read many of them for light entertainment. I read Endtown for a thought provoking, emotion evoking thoughful story. And due to its many layers and excellent art a story arc must continue longer than those of lighter fare.
DADOF3 almost 12 years ago
“HAPPY TRAILS!!!!” Josh I don’t know what you’ve been using to get happy, but it sure must be some powerful stuff. You initially burst into the room with vague allusions and unspecific complaints, then you cast aspersions on Aaron’s attempts to earn a living by telling him just where he can put the books which are the very fruits of his own labors.Next you come back and imply that anyone who reads and enjoys Aaron’s works is immoral gutter trash. After that you came back a third time to tell us "It’s the obscenity, stupid!Now, after becoming the recipient of a full day’s worth of well earned indignation and reproach, you are amazed and claim your problem is actually that you suffer from a short attention span! You say you respect Aaron talent! Sir, you sure have a funny way of showing it. I don’t know who spit in your cornflakes this morning to set you off, but I feel safe in stating that you picked the wrong dog to kick. Most of us here consider Aaron to be an exceptional talent, and many of us have come to consider him a friend. I suggest you keep that in mind the next time you feel the urge to go “psycho”.
Storm F-1/4 almost 12 years ago
Well said my friend!
BlackberryRose almost 12 years ago
This mission to take out the Topsiders’ rocket may be the large story arc, but there have been many, many side arcs (the monster & her teddybear, Flask’s issues, Linda, Wally’s backstory, etc.etc.etc), and today we are introduced to the Lucranians --we don’t know where this will lead! So Josh, there is variety in the Endtown Comic.
And what a ride.Go Aaron!
FENRISULFR almost 12 years ago
The “ironic poster” doesn’t think you’re five. He just asked you if you were five, because that’s how you were behaving. You talked trash like an infant. You spew out one line of garbage “Oh by the way, take that graphic of yours novel you’re selling and SHOVE IT!!!” after another “This web comic is unfit for everyone’s moral standards!” and then it’s “My problem is obscenity! That’s what the problem is!”.And now you go on to something completely different. Now it’s how long the stories are. And we answer you everyone, and when you find you can’t bullshit us, you come up with some other “complaint” to excuse your atrocious behaviour.If you’re not five, you’re acting just like a fifteen year old comic book fanboy. These are the kind who complain and say of their regurgitated, pre-digested comic book crap “I like my stories three issues max.”Well, with Aaron you’re getting a writer who serves the needs of his story. He’s giving you a full course meal, and not just a candy bar for a quick energy fix.Glad you apologized. Yes, you were way out of line and most of all, it was unnecessary. I get full of vitriol myself, sometimes, but I’m smart enough to hold it in. Often when people speak in the spur of the moment, they say things they regret later. And these days, more and more I try not only to consider how I’m going to come across, but how I what I say can be most effective.
SapphireDragonStudios almost 12 years ago
Wow. All of this fire and hate and immature grammatically-incorrect banter over this one comic? I can understand if it’s not to your tastes. Endtown is the type of comic that requires a certain suspension of disbelief, and contains a mesh of cartoony elements with very serious topics. It might not be to everyone’s tastes, but to make such a spectacle and claiming we as readers who enjoy Endtown have no moral compass over the comic’s language? Seriously?
I personally find the language to be very ‘real.’ Not everyone talks like they’re on a Saturday morning cartoon, and I would think that with the presence of imminent death, psychological torture (from the Topsiders, from Flask, etc.), graphic situations like the extraction of brains to power technology and the existence/acknowledgement of sexual content (as very tastefully done/non-graphic as it is), I would think that an occasional swear word wouldn’t be such a shock. They don’t even really swear that much, not nearly as bad or as often as other stories I’ve seen.That being said, you’re well within your rights to be offended and leave. It’s not the fact that you’re leaving that has everyone in such an uproar – it’s the way you chose to do it. Telling Aaron where he can stick his graphic novel, personally attacking TSOJ and just the whole angry tone of your original comment doesn’t feel like someone who is simply uninclined to continue. It’s a personal attack on both the author and the readers, and devaluing their story and hard work. I know from personal experience (being an animator working to get an original series off the ground, myself) how hard this field is and what a commitment it requires.Anyway, if you don’t like the language, the story, its length or whatever offends you so much, then go read/watch stories you do like.On another note, very amusing reactions, guys!! Way to defend the Endtown mothership (bro-fist!)
Guilty Bystander almost 12 years ago
Wow, this one thread has been looking a lot like what usually goes on with Luann threads. I kept waiting for mojitobaby to weigh in with at least one of her pronouncements. Way to get us going, Josh. Now let’s return our concentration to what REALLY matters: What is Flask up to?