Not that bad. Yet. But if it ever does get that bad, it’ll be worse, because of all the folks from California trying to get across the border to escape their own forest fires.
All normal according to Republickings. Anyone that says otherwise is a red flag govt actors. Even the ones who portray farmers who can’t plant due to lack of water.
Far too many Republicans still deny climate change and others claim nothing can be done. Therefore this IS a political issue and deniers need to be removed from office.
From MB’s link:
“ Is it linked to climate change?
Yes. Though it is complicated to link any single event to climate change, there is strong evidence that global warming is increasing the frequency of extreme weather events – including more intense heat domes.
And it’s a situation that is predicted only to worsen. Unless greenhouse gas emissions are dramatically cut in the coming years, scorching heat waves could become a “new normal”, experts have warned.”
Fifty years ago I finished my tour of duty with the Navy while stationed in California. I was determined to get back home to the Pacific Northwest “Come Hell or High Water”. We’ve had the heat of Hell recently and I expect the High Water as the snow and ice melts off Mt. Hood.
Jack was the young excellent cartoonist here with “The Oregonian” in Portland. Too liberal for the new board at the hometown rag evidently. Miss you, Jack.
But the ratio of C14 to C12 is falling, which means that the Carbon is mainly from burning of fossil fuels, whose carbon was deposited so long ago that C14 in them has depleted due short isotope life span. The ratio of stable C13 to C12 is also falling.
5 Arctic temperatures are rising even faster than global. Amount of sunlight reaching polar regions is not changed, but CO2 works 365/7/24 to retain heat.
8 Globally averaged loss of ice mass and in the polar regions loss of ice-covered water. Which translates to a lower albedo, hence less sunlight reflected back to space and more surface heating. (Hint for the challenged, the amount of ice surface area lost in the Arctic greatly exceeds the gain in the Antarctic.)
9 Satellite observations of infrared emitted by upper atmosphere show a decline, which is due to Greenhouse gases trapping more of the infrared radiation.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=35
10 No increase in solar output (beyond the normal variations due to solar cycle, which amount to about +/- 1 part in 1,000. Might even be a small (smaller than the above) decrease.
Although the emissions from soil are “natural” to a large extent, they have increased by 0.1% per year from 1989 to 2008. Generally, we expect that soil emissions should be balanced by intake by plants, water, etc. Certainly there seems to have been a balance before the industrial age.
https://www.co2.earth/co2-ice-core-data
Could soil be the culprit? No.
In absolute numbers, 98Gt CO2 from soil per year, and 9Gt roughly from human activity. The 0.1% year increase from soil is then 0.1Gt/year, so represents only a small effect compared to human activity.
The problem, as Miss Greta Thunberg put it, is that “it costs too much money” or, different angle, business enterprises would lose too much money. And besides, it won’t be all that bad. Probably. Maybe. Anyhow, rich people will figure out a way to survive, and after all they’re the ones with the “best jeans”.
The problem is *Global Warming", that phrase scared reactionaries so much that people started calling it “Climate Change” to calm down the hissy-fits and shouting to allow us to actually discuss the problem.
The average temperature of the Earth is rising. This goes against all scientific evidence found in the fossil record, since, going by previous climate swings, we should be slowly cooling off as we approach what should be another ice age. Going by evidence found in ice cores, the level of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is higher than it should be. The sources of these gases are the various technological marvels we enjoy which are powered by fossil fuels and which spew their exhausts into our atmosphere. The greenhouse gases trap the heat which would normally be radiated out to space. As a result of this heat, ice caps and glaciers are melting and pouring fresh water into the oceans. This clauses rising sea levels, which in turn causes greater storm surges of water going farther inland. The fresh water also is desalinating the oceans, which, in turn, is damaging the thermohaline convection system, which transfers heat from one part of the globe to another, the reason that parts of western Europe are noticeably warmer than the same latitudes in eastern North America. This also affects weather patterns around the Earth, and causes more ocean storms.
Susan Cobb/NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory The amount of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere reached 419 parts per million in May, its highest level in more than four million years, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced on Monday.
My eldest. Son and my niece are both field biologists working in the Pacific Northwest stationed in Wenatchee, WA. My son is with US Fish and Wildlife, doing something with endangered fishes in the Columbia River system.
ImDaRealAni almost 3 years ago
Pre-toasted bread.
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
Not that bad. Yet. But if it ever does get that bad, it’ll be worse, because of all the folks from California trying to get across the border to escape their own forest fires.
RAGs almost 3 years ago
“Let’s give a big round of thanks to the fossil fuel industry.”
GreggW Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Soylent green is made of people!
NeedaChuckle Premium Member almost 3 years ago
All normal according to Republickings. Anyone that says otherwise is a red flag govt actors. Even the ones who portray farmers who can’t plant due to lack of water.
FrankErnesto almost 3 years ago
Coming soon,to an area near you.
VegaAlopex almost 3 years ago
Can one explain chemically how water can turn to hydrochloric acid? Sulfuric or nitric, yes, from burning fossil fuels, but chlorine?
Masterskrain almost 3 years ago
I understand that only something like 25% of the homes in the Pacific Northwest area have Air Conditioning, since it’s not normally ever needed.
Nantucket Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Far too many Republicans still deny climate change and others claim nothing can be done. Therefore this IS a political issue and deniers need to be removed from office.
From MB’s link:
“ Is it linked to climate change?
Yes. Though it is complicated to link any single event to climate change, there is strong evidence that global warming is increasing the frequency of extreme weather events – including more intense heat domes.
And it’s a situation that is predicted only to worsen. Unless greenhouse gas emissions are dramatically cut in the coming years, scorching heat waves could become a “new normal”, experts have warned.”
brwydave Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Might explain why our cartoonist left the Oregonian for the Bee.
Same2Ubuddy almost 3 years ago
The jet stream is beyond our control. There’s nothing we can do to change it.
Teto85 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
It was hotter in British Columbia this week than it was 1500 miles to the south in Death Valley. Hotter in BC than it was in Death Valley.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
North Of Vancouver BC it was 118
CO2 is the highest it has been in 4 million years.
Anthropological climate change is biting us on the behind, look at the low reservoirs in California.
Same2Ubuddy almost 3 years ago
So (according to you) CO2 was higher 4 million years ago. This means CO2 goes up and down naturally.
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
It was 106 at my house near Seattle, it was like living in Los Angeles again.
The Love of Money is . . . almost 3 years ago
Fifty years ago I finished my tour of duty with the Navy while stationed in California. I was determined to get back home to the Pacific Northwest “Come Hell or High Water”. We’ve had the heat of Hell recently and I expect the High Water as the snow and ice melts off Mt. Hood.
Jack was the young excellent cartoonist here with “The Oregonian” in Portland. Too liberal for the new board at the hometown rag evidently. Miss you, Jack.
sandflea almost 3 years ago
Oh, c’mon. Everybody knows climate change is just a liberal hoax.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Evidence for man-caused global warming
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=26912
https://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/emis/glo_2011.html
1) Rising Carbon levels in atmosphere and ocean.
https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-atmospheric-concentrations-greenhouse-gases
https://scripps.ucsd.edu/programs/keelingcurve/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/mlo_full_record.png
But the ratio of C14 to C12 is falling, which means that the Carbon is mainly from burning of fossil fuels, whose carbon was deposited so long ago that C14 in them has depleted due short isotope life span. The ratio of stable C13 to C12 is also falling.
http://www.dummies.com/education/science/environmental-science/isotopes-how-do-scientists-know-that-humans-cause-global-warming/
2 CO2 causes tropopause to rise higher, but stratopause to go lower. Predicted in 1957. Solar heating effects would cause both levels to rise.
http://www.theclimateconsensus.com/content/satellite-data-show-a-cooling-trend-in-the-upper-atmosphere-so-much-for-global-warming-right
3 Ocean acidification has increased because of increased ocean intake of CO2.
http://ocean.si.edu/ocean-acidification
4 Global average surface air temperature has increased. (So has globally averaged near surface ocean temperature.)
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
5 Arctic temperatures are rising even faster than global. Amount of sunlight reaching polar regions is not changed, but CO2 works 365/7/24 to retain heat.
Point Barrow for example:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/barrow-alaska-climate-change-action
6 Night-time temperatures rising faster than day-time (Can’t blame the sun for that!)
https://phys.org/news/2016-03-nights-warmer-faster-days.html
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 3 years ago
7 Rise in Global averaged sea level (some (~20%) is due to pumping ground water out, but most is due to warming of the oceans and melting of ice.)
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level
8 Globally averaged loss of ice mass and in the polar regions loss of ice-covered water. Which translates to a lower albedo, hence less sunlight reflected back to space and more surface heating. (Hint for the challenged, the amount of ice surface area lost in the Arctic greatly exceeds the gain in the Antarctic.)
https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/global-ice-viewer/
9 Satellite observations of infrared emitted by upper atmosphere show a decline, which is due to Greenhouse gases trapping more of the infrared radiation.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=35
10 No increase in solar output (beyond the normal variations due to solar cycle, which amount to about +/- 1 part in 1,000. Might even be a small (smaller than the above) decrease.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-incoming-sunlight
11 Volcanic released CO2 is about 1/130 of human activity released CO2. So no, it is not volcanoes.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities
12 CO2 from Soil is increasing:
https://www.nature.com/news/2010/100324/full/news.2010.147.html
Although the emissions from soil are “natural” to a large extent, they have increased by 0.1% per year from 1989 to 2008. Generally, we expect that soil emissions should be balanced by intake by plants, water, etc. Certainly there seems to have been a balance before the industrial age.
https://www.co2.earth/co2-ice-core-data
Could soil be the culprit? No.
In absolute numbers, 98Gt CO2 from soil per year, and 9Gt roughly from human activity. The 0.1% year increase from soil is then 0.1Gt/year, so represents only a small effect compared to human activity.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 3 years ago
If soil were the culprit, we would not see the isotope change above.
The above posts are from several years ago. Only the names of the deniers have changed,
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Sources? Oh, yes, we have sources! (Besides the ones I gave above)
Here’s the latest climate report from NOAA.
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/202013
But even better!
https://science2017.globalchange.gov/
see especially chapter 2 on the physical drivers of climate change. References are given! Use your own damn time to look them up.
and
https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/
Not so much references here, but lots about the various implications.
I’d point to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports, too. They also have references.
AndrewSihler almost 3 years ago
The problem, as Miss Greta Thunberg put it, is that “it costs too much money” or, different angle, business enterprises would lose too much money. And besides, it won’t be all that bad. Probably. Maybe. Anyhow, rich people will figure out a way to survive, and after all they’re the ones with the “best jeans”.
RAGs almost 3 years ago
For Same2Ubuddy and others of his sort:
The problem is *Global Warming", that phrase scared reactionaries so much that people started calling it “Climate Change” to calm down the hissy-fits and shouting to allow us to actually discuss the problem.
The average temperature of the Earth is rising. This goes against all scientific evidence found in the fossil record, since, going by previous climate swings, we should be slowly cooling off as we approach what should be another ice age. Going by evidence found in ice cores, the level of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is higher than it should be. The sources of these gases are the various technological marvels we enjoy which are powered by fossil fuels and which spew their exhausts into our atmosphere. The greenhouse gases trap the heat which would normally be radiated out to space. As a result of this heat, ice caps and glaciers are melting and pouring fresh water into the oceans. This clauses rising sea levels, which in turn causes greater storm surges of water going farther inland. The fresh water also is desalinating the oceans, which, in turn, is damaging the thermohaline convection system, which transfers heat from one part of the globe to another, the reason that parts of western Europe are noticeably warmer than the same latitudes in eastern North America. This also affects weather patterns around the Earth, and causes more ocean storms.
(to be continued)
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
Susan Cobb/NOAA Global Monitoring Laboratory The amount of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere reached 419 parts per million in May, its highest level in more than four million years, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced on Monday.
Carbon Dioxide Driving Climate Change Increases : NPR
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] almost 3 years ago
Humans are very good at changing the natural into unnatural. What nature does in thousands or millions of years humans can do in 400 years.
grumpypophobart almost 3 years ago
Let it go long enough and that salmon will be poached.
JenSolo02 almost 3 years ago
My eldest. Son and my niece are both field biologists working in the Pacific Northwest stationed in Wenatchee, WA. My son is with US Fish and Wildlife, doing something with endangered fishes in the Columbia River system.