Of course there is a way around the Electoral College as it currently functions, and it’s in no way cheating. It’s called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Enough state legislatures can exercise their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 1 to direct that their state appoint presidential electors according to the national popular vote rather than by state or district popular vote, as is done now.
Cheating was Old Sheldon buying his wife the Presidential Medal of Freedom with campaign contributions,
If the electoral college had done it’s job. Trump would never have been elected. Lied and cheated all the way through the process and they could see he was entirely unsuitable emotionally and intellectually.
Much easier to “buy” the electoral college folk than the general public.. something the republicans and their Russian friends had figured out long before the trump era.. But.. used it with a vengeance to get a Russian puppet in the Whitehouse.
i guess ramirez has a problem with the 1 person = 1 vote principle. no surprise since that is how Trump got elected even though Clinton had more votes than him. Loser takes all, that is the Republican way.
The non-proportional distribution of electors in the Electoral College should already be declared unconstitutional — in violation of the “equal protection clause” of the Fourteenth Amendment.
A provision of the original Constitution is void if it is repealed by a later provision of a subsequent Amendment. Example: slavery and the 3/5 clause were repealed by the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments even though those Amendments do not explicitly mention that clause.
The Fourteenth Amendment requires “equal protection under the law.”
While it does not explicitly repeal the unequal distribution of electors by specific reference, which is the usual standard for defining a repeal, neither does the 3/5 clause which it is deemed to have repealed. The Fourteenth Amendment does require that every person be treated equally in public policy, and applies at both state and federal levels.
A view espoused by Laurence Tribe (Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School) and various other legal scholars maintains that since the Fourteenth Amendment applies to both states and the federal government, and already HAS been interpreted already as overturning unequal allocation of representatives in legislative apportionment at the STATE level (Baker v Carr (369 U.S. 186 (1962)) and Reynolds v. Sims (377 U.S. 533 (1964))), the same standard should be applied at the federal level, meaning the unequal allocation of electors in the Electoral College should be deemed repealed by the later provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. (Not holding my breath that the current Supreme Court would apply such a view any time soon.)
African Americans were not the moral equivalent of 3/5 of a European American, and a California voter is not the moral equivalent of 1/4 of a Wyoming voter.
Do away with the electoral college and ~10 metropolitan areas decide every presidential election. But democrats know this since those metro areas all vote in huge democrat blocks. Colorado just gave up its vote to LA County, of which it has a total statewide voting population about half of LA County’s vote. ~38 states could simply stay home because their totals couldn’t overtake the blue-run metros. But please, do continue down this road of irrelevance. The smaller states understood this and required it in the Constitution. Show them how wrong they were.
Pretty good idea, until the next national election and the state of SC turns in their votes and the vote is – Democratic Candidate 987,432 Republican 100,000,000 :-)
Looks like Mikey got the memo from the Department of Propaganda that today’s topic was “Elizabeth Warren and the electoral college”.
How about instead of wasting so much time and ink spreading all that BS propaganda, you instead explain to us what is so wrong with having the President be chosen by the majority of voters?
Judge Magney about 5 years ago
Of course there is a way around the Electoral College as it currently functions, and it’s in no way cheating. It’s called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Enough state legislatures can exercise their constitutional authority under Article II, Section 1 to direct that their state appoint presidential electors according to the national popular vote rather than by state or district popular vote, as is done now.
Cheating was Old Sheldon buying his wife the Presidential Medal of Freedom with campaign contributions,
ed27 about 5 years ago
If the electoral college had done it’s job. Trump would never have been elected. Lied and cheated all the way through the process and they could see he was entirely unsuitable emotionally and intellectually.
Alberta Oil Premium Member about 5 years ago
Much easier to “buy” the electoral college folk than the general public.. something the republicans and their Russian friends had figured out long before the trump era.. But.. used it with a vengeance to get a Russian puppet in the Whitehouse.
BubbleTape Premium Member about 5 years ago
i guess ramirez has a problem with the 1 person = 1 vote principle. no surprise since that is how Trump got elected even though Clinton had more votes than him. Loser takes all, that is the Republican way.
DD Wiz Premium Member about 5 years ago
The non-proportional distribution of electors in the Electoral College should already be declared unconstitutional — in violation of the “equal protection clause” of the Fourteenth Amendment.
A provision of the original Constitution is void if it is repealed by a later provision of a subsequent Amendment. Example: slavery and the 3/5 clause were repealed by the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments even though those Amendments do not explicitly mention that clause.
The Fourteenth Amendment requires “equal protection under the law.”
While it does not explicitly repeal the unequal distribution of electors by specific reference, which is the usual standard for defining a repeal, neither does the 3/5 clause which it is deemed to have repealed. The Fourteenth Amendment does require that every person be treated equally in public policy, and applies at both state and federal levels.
A view espoused by Laurence Tribe (Professor of Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School) and various other legal scholars maintains that since the Fourteenth Amendment applies to both states and the federal government, and already HAS been interpreted already as overturning unequal allocation of representatives in legislative apportionment at the STATE level (Baker v Carr (369 U.S. 186 (1962)) and Reynolds v. Sims (377 U.S. 533 (1964))), the same standard should be applied at the federal level, meaning the unequal allocation of electors in the Electoral College should be deemed repealed by the later provisions of the Fourteenth Amendment. (Not holding my breath that the current Supreme Court would apply such a view any time soon.)
African Americans were not the moral equivalent of 3/5 of a European American, and a California voter is not the moral equivalent of 1/4 of a Wyoming voter.
clayusmcret Premium Member about 5 years ago
Do away with the electoral college and ~10 metropolitan areas decide every presidential election. But democrats know this since those metro areas all vote in huge democrat blocks. Colorado just gave up its vote to LA County, of which it has a total statewide voting population about half of LA County’s vote. ~38 states could simply stay home because their totals couldn’t overtake the blue-run metros. But please, do continue down this road of irrelevance. The smaller states understood this and required it in the Constitution. Show them how wrong they were.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 5 years ago
The Electoral College. For old, white, rich men only.
dandye about 5 years ago
Too bad NO DEMOCRAT thinks a Constitutional Amendment is the correct way!
dandye about 5 years ago
Pretty good idea, until the next national election and the state of SC turns in their votes and the vote is – Democratic Candidate 987,432 Republican 100,000,000 :-)
Daeder about 5 years ago
Looks like Mikey got the memo from the Department of Propaganda that today’s topic was “Elizabeth Warren and the electoral college”.
How about instead of wasting so much time and ink spreading all that BS propaganda, you instead explain to us what is so wrong with having the President be chosen by the majority of voters?