It’s sad to see the farmers unable to sell their goods and having to worry about surviving and finding new customers, and it’s also hard to export food from a country that has a reputation for not having safe food.
So far, South America, that’s where China is now buying their grain. It’s doubtful that American farmers will ever get that market back, since the reason China chose to buy from America rather than less stable countries was that they considered us a reliable business partner. So much for that reputation.
Mr. Stantis, surely you know better than this. Trump CAUSED the trade war which he cannot win — barely knowing what a trade war IS, let alone what will happen from it. Showing him as a figure with a sword? Nonsense. Unless that sword is rubber. Soon all the prices in the US will go up because of his idiotic macho posturing.
This is a repeat of an answer to JLocke — sorry to those who have already read it. Not so much worried about it in theory, as worried because I see a vast interlinked system of government and trade (not perfect, but working well to support your life circumstances as described several days ago). Last week I went to the annual board meeting of a farmers’ coop. In 2016 the majority of these farmers were feeling pumped because Trump had just been elected and someone who cared about them and understood them was FINALLY in office! This year’s meeting was more of a silent scream — the coop’s revenues have been declining steadily since 2016, as the Orange Ignoramus and his hench-Republicans, in their ignorant thrashing, profiteering, and attempts to reduce the US and the world to some mythical ‘70s status that never really existed, are slowly but surely breaking this inter-linked system and there is nothing to replace it — indeed it can’t be replaced, at least not quickly and easily. The coop’s traditional pre-Trump customers will no longer deal with it, because the US does not honor its treaties. China has lept into the breach with cheaper farm products (China actually exports a lot of grain, aided by the fact that they can sell cheap or flood the market with “surplus” grain by the simple expedient of starving their rural populations).
World trade and US industry and trade is like an enormous, complex machine that will continue to run as you remove pieces, until you finally remove enough parts that it grinds to a halt. Trump and buddies are removing parts throughout the system(s), in ignorance, arrogance, selfishness, and spite. I think I’m like you, fairly well off and as yet untouched by these incipient breakages. Poor people and people whose living requires a capital outlay in order to hopefully make a profit when a crop is harvested and sold will suffer before you and I do. But this farmer’s coop is an example of just what I’m talking about. Eventually pieces enough will be broken so that even you and I feel the hurt, and if not you and I, then our children or grandchildren. As the world’s populations and environmental damage increase, there will be less and less leeway to resolve these problems. If you don’t care about anyone but yourself, then fine. But I can’t be complicit in the destruction of the United States and the planet by ignoring what’s going on with in Washington. As the farming parts of the great machine that feeds America break, who will grow our food? Jlocke’s earlier comment that things are just fine for him is short-sighted.
The real question isn’t who’s winning. Nobody wins trade wars… except people who short-sold transportation or exportable goods. The important issue is who is losing … and it’s pretty much everybody who isn’t super rich.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 5 years ago
Putin
Radish the wordsmith over 5 years ago
Everything crooked liar Trump does is sick and wrong.
walfishj over 5 years ago
Tump’s investments.
Ontman over 5 years ago
I’m guessing it won’t be us.
superposition over 5 years ago
It’s sad to see the farmers unable to sell their goods and having to worry about surviving and finding new customers, and it’s also hard to export food from a country that has a reputation for not having safe food.
feverjr Premium Member over 5 years ago
Reminds me of Caligula winning his fake battles with Neptune…and he wants a parade
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 5 years ago
The better question is who is loosing.. and clear answer is.. the public.
cmxx over 5 years ago
But Trump doesn’t care about the public’s losing. After all, people who lose are losers, and he doesn’t like losers.
Diane Lee Premium Member over 5 years ago
So far, South America, that’s where China is now buying their grain. It’s doubtful that American farmers will ever get that market back, since the reason China chose to buy from America rather than less stable countries was that they considered us a reliable business partner. So much for that reputation.
Motivemagus over 5 years ago
Mr. Stantis, surely you know better than this. Trump CAUSED the trade war which he cannot win — barely knowing what a trade war IS, let alone what will happen from it. Showing him as a figure with a sword? Nonsense. Unless that sword is rubber. Soon all the prices in the US will go up because of his idiotic macho posturing.
casonia2 over 5 years ago
This is a repeat of an answer to JLocke — sorry to those who have already read it. Not so much worried about it in theory, as worried because I see a vast interlinked system of government and trade (not perfect, but working well to support your life circumstances as described several days ago). Last week I went to the annual board meeting of a farmers’ coop. In 2016 the majority of these farmers were feeling pumped because Trump had just been elected and someone who cared about them and understood them was FINALLY in office! This year’s meeting was more of a silent scream — the coop’s revenues have been declining steadily since 2016, as the Orange Ignoramus and his hench-Republicans, in their ignorant thrashing, profiteering, and attempts to reduce the US and the world to some mythical ‘70s status that never really existed, are slowly but surely breaking this inter-linked system and there is nothing to replace it — indeed it can’t be replaced, at least not quickly and easily. The coop’s traditional pre-Trump customers will no longer deal with it, because the US does not honor its treaties. China has lept into the breach with cheaper farm products (China actually exports a lot of grain, aided by the fact that they can sell cheap or flood the market with “surplus” grain by the simple expedient of starving their rural populations).
casonia2 over 5 years ago
World trade and US industry and trade is like an enormous, complex machine that will continue to run as you remove pieces, until you finally remove enough parts that it grinds to a halt. Trump and buddies are removing parts throughout the system(s), in ignorance, arrogance, selfishness, and spite. I think I’m like you, fairly well off and as yet untouched by these incipient breakages. Poor people and people whose living requires a capital outlay in order to hopefully make a profit when a crop is harvested and sold will suffer before you and I do. But this farmer’s coop is an example of just what I’m talking about. Eventually pieces enough will be broken so that even you and I feel the hurt, and if not you and I, then our children or grandchildren. As the world’s populations and environmental damage increase, there will be less and less leeway to resolve these problems. If you don’t care about anyone but yourself, then fine. But I can’t be complicit in the destruction of the United States and the planet by ignoring what’s going on with in Washington. As the farming parts of the great machine that feeds America break, who will grow our food? Jlocke’s earlier comment that things are just fine for him is short-sighted.
Concretionist over 5 years ago
The real question isn’t who’s winning. Nobody wins trade wars… except people who short-sold transportation or exportable goods. The important issue is who is losing … and it’s pretty much everybody who isn’t super rich.