Bingo. Voter Fraud is virtually NONEXISTENT. The bozo that Trump wants to appoint to his special commission has been looking in Kansas for years and found precisely eight (8) fraudulent voters. He’s probably spent a million apiece to find them.
Whereas voter SUPPRESSION is very much a thing, with millions of people deprived of their fair vote, and one that is being pursued constantly by Republicans, because they know all too well that the majority of voters are Democrats. If you can’t win honestly, cheat. Either through this or through gerrymandering.
Voting should be a protected right, as it is in other nations.
And anyone who wants to claim voter fraud is a “real thing,” well, if you were working as hard to ensure legitimate voters got to vote, I MIGHT believe you.
Voter suppression was used to put Bush 43 into office. Jeb and Katherine Harris purged the voter rolls in Florida based on similar (not exact) felon names from Texas. Jim Smith in Texas knocked off James T. Smith, Jimmy K. Smith, etc. Imagine how much progress the US could have made on renewable energy if Gore took office like he should have. And let’s not forget – Gore won the popular vote.
The GOP has Russia’s backing for all future elections. Who needs voter suppression when you can openly cheat the voting process and have the “undersite” committees look the other way , and make up bald faced lies about the opposition with a straight face!
To access my bank account, I have a retinal scan done to prove my identity. The same should be done for voter registration to end the very few real and abundant imaginary voter fraud issues. The retinal scan or similar biometric artifact could then positively identify with a built-in ID that the voter always has with them and would not require yet another special ID card. Re-registration can be done in the local communities under close scrutiny and the biometric images can be kept in a common database to be used at the polls.
The world is changing and we need to make better use of our constrained resources. For example, intelligent intersections can alleviate traffic flow issues without having to add more highways or lanes by sensing the cars approaching an intersection with built in transponders in new cars and add-ons (like an EZ-pass device) for older vehicles. This being tested in several parts of the country and results in significant fuel savins as a by-product.
Inty, I decided to look into your claim. I ran across the following in the study (https://www.scribd.com/document/328148580/Richman-Earnest-Non-Citizen-Voting-Study):
“Non-citizens voted legally in every presidential election through 1924. By 1928 the last state constitution that protected non-citizen voting (Arkansas’) had been amended”.
And
“….. with many countries offering at least some opportunity for some resident non-citizens to participate in local elections, and some countries offering full participation in national elections”.
Rather than having a knee-jerk reaction against non-citizens, I think we should do some serious thinking about why we have set things up this way. The study looks reasonably legit, and it could very well be that there are a substantial number of non-citizens who are voting – and it’s illegal. But the deeper question for me is, is non-citizen voting a bad thing?
Motivemagus about 7 years ago
Bingo. Voter Fraud is virtually NONEXISTENT. The bozo that Trump wants to appoint to his special commission has been looking in Kansas for years and found precisely eight (8) fraudulent voters. He’s probably spent a million apiece to find them.
Whereas voter SUPPRESSION is very much a thing, with millions of people deprived of their fair vote, and one that is being pursued constantly by Republicans, because they know all too well that the majority of voters are Democrats. If you can’t win honestly, cheat. Either through this or through gerrymandering.
Voting should be a protected right, as it is in other nations.
And anyone who wants to claim voter fraud is a “real thing,” well, if you were working as hard to ensure legitimate voters got to vote, I MIGHT believe you.
Nantucket Premium Member about 7 years ago
Voter suppression was used to put Bush 43 into office. Jeb and Katherine Harris purged the voter rolls in Florida based on similar (not exact) felon names from Texas. Jim Smith in Texas knocked off James T. Smith, Jimmy K. Smith, etc. Imagine how much progress the US could have made on renewable energy if Gore took office like he should have. And let’s not forget – Gore won the popular vote.
ahab about 7 years ago
The GOP has Russia’s backing for all future elections. Who needs voter suppression when you can openly cheat the voting process and have the “undersite” committees look the other way , and make up bald faced lies about the opposition with a straight face!
superposition about 7 years ago
To access my bank account, I have a retinal scan done to prove my identity. The same should be done for voter registration to end the very few real and abundant imaginary voter fraud issues. The retinal scan or similar biometric artifact could then positively identify with a built-in ID that the voter always has with them and would not require yet another special ID card. Re-registration can be done in the local communities under close scrutiny and the biometric images can be kept in a common database to be used at the polls.
The world is changing and we need to make better use of our constrained resources. For example, intelligent intersections can alleviate traffic flow issues without having to add more highways or lanes by sensing the cars approaching an intersection with built in transponders in new cars and add-ons (like an EZ-pass device) for older vehicles. This being tested in several parts of the country and results in significant fuel savins as a by-product.
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~aim/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/05/the-intelligent-intersection-could-banish-traffic-lights-for-ever/
Cerabooge about 7 years ago
Inty, I decided to look into your claim. I ran across the following in the study (https://www.scribd.com/document/328148580/Richman-Earnest-Non-Citizen-Voting-Study):
“Non-citizens voted legally in every presidential election through 1924. By 1928 the last state constitution that protected non-citizen voting (Arkansas’) had been amended”.
And
“….. with many countries offering at least some opportunity for some resident non-citizens to participate in local elections, and some countries offering full participation in national elections”.
Rather than having a knee-jerk reaction against non-citizens, I think we should do some serious thinking about why we have set things up this way. The study looks reasonably legit, and it could very well be that there are a substantial number of non-citizens who are voting – and it’s illegal. But the deeper question for me is, is non-citizen voting a bad thing?