My grand father was an Inglewood policeman during WWII and up until the middle 1950’s. My sister and I lived with my grand parents almost all of that time. He kept his service .38 on the top of his chest of drawers in his and my grand mothers bedroom. I know this only because my grand mother had sent me to get him for dinner on several occasions. Of course, I always knocked and waited for permission to even enter their room, even if I knew he was there.
Knowing my grand father, (who was the finest man I ever knew) I know he would have kept it instantly ready at all times by keeping it loaded. I would never have even thought of going into his room if he was not there, let alone EVER touching something that was so important to him. I just would never have so dishonored that truly loving and great man under any circumstance. And he never had to even yell at me. He was not only my grand father, he was also my best friend while growing up. Good God, how I miss him!!
Some years later he very convincingly showed my sister and I just how powerful and dangerous such a hand gun could be by demolishing a 2 by 4 piece of timber with just a couple of shots. He then preceded to show us all about true gun safety. If more parents and grand parents thought as much about their children and grand children as he did, there would be far less tragic accidents in this country. And that is regardless of just how you feel about guns in general!!
I think the rampant stupidity was leaving a loaded gun lying on the table. There are frequent news stories about macho jerks keeping loaded weapons in their homes and very young kids finding them and playing with them and killing someone. That is plain stupidity. I had guns in my home when raising kids. They were locked up and the long guns were locked or disabled. I had the only key. I did train them to shoot and handle guns responsibly, something they enjoy to this day.
As far as home defense goes, there are often stories of a macho jerk who is awakened in the middle of the night by an intruder and while half asleep they pull their loaded gun out and shoot their kid, wife, or relative. With a gun locked up, it provides some time to wake up before you do something really stupid.
I won’t even comment on the scores of responsible gun owner’s who manage to shoot themselves accidentally or the hunters who head off into the woods with a six pack and a shotgun.
It would be a good thing to make sure would be gun owners would have some basic training as we do with auto licenses. It could focus on safety, legal liability, and knowing what to do with a firearm.
That “good guy with a gun” demonstrates that he has no idea about what responsible gun ownership is. A responsible gun owner knows that, if you have kids around, you have no business keeping a gun that is not secured in some way. There are just too many good ways to have easy access to your sidearm without the kiddies being able to access it. Trigger locks, biometric or keypad entry safes, lockboxes, etc. This is another example of the ignorant masses hating what they fear and fearing what they don’t understand.
Guns, particularly hand guns, are tools for killing humans. They are dangerous, very dangerous tools. Given that the Constitution says they can’t be banned as a dangerous product, like Lawn Jarts, they should at least be well regulated. Gun OWNERS should demonstrate they understand how to safely use and store them (licensing), they should be required to carry a minimum level of insurance to cover the costs they impose should their weapon cause harm (medical for injuries and liability for misuse or unsafe actions), and the gun they have should be registered to its owner as a means of accountability (you can’t enforce the above without knowing whose gun it is). What objections could there be to a system that treats gun OWNERS like we treat automobile OWNERS and if you are left with “One is a right and the other a privilege" then reexamine that right in light of the Supreme’s decision as detailed below. Once you put that objection to bed, I can’t imagine what you are left with.
Supreme Court Decision regarding the 2nd Amendment, 2008, District of Columbia vs. Heller (Source: Wikipedia) :
“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
Because [the plaintiff] Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home."
See, if all those kids at Santa Barbara had been carrying loaded semi-automatic weapons like they should have been, the outcome would have been way different.-We need to get lots and lots of weapons into the hands of students.
Were all those hits about actual shootings or were discussions about incidents also included? I’ve seen multiple hits about the same incident from different sources. Google your own name and see how disparate the results are. Your statement is foolish & ignores the reality of web searches.
“Matt very bad even for you. Could be; good guy with a knife, good guy with a car, good guy with a pan of hot grease, good guy with a sharp stick, ect. ".Really??.What is a gun used for besides shooting, wounding or killing someone?.What use does a car have outside killing or wounding someone, a knife, a stick, a pan or a pan of hot grease? .By now, everyone on this board should know the other devices have an intended purpose, and it is not to kill. The gun has an intended purpose, it is to kill..Please wake up.
frodo1008 almost 10 years ago
My grand father was an Inglewood policeman during WWII and up until the middle 1950’s. My sister and I lived with my grand parents almost all of that time. He kept his service .38 on the top of his chest of drawers in his and my grand mothers bedroom. I know this only because my grand mother had sent me to get him for dinner on several occasions. Of course, I always knocked and waited for permission to even enter their room, even if I knew he was there.
Knowing my grand father, (who was the finest man I ever knew) I know he would have kept it instantly ready at all times by keeping it loaded. I would never have even thought of going into his room if he was not there, let alone EVER touching something that was so important to him. I just would never have so dishonored that truly loving and great man under any circumstance. And he never had to even yell at me. He was not only my grand father, he was also my best friend while growing up. Good God, how I miss him!!
Some years later he very convincingly showed my sister and I just how powerful and dangerous such a hand gun could be by demolishing a 2 by 4 piece of timber with just a couple of shots. He then preceded to show us all about true gun safety. If more parents and grand parents thought as much about their children and grand children as he did, there would be far less tragic accidents in this country. And that is regardless of just how you feel about guns in general!!
Theodore E. Lind Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I think the rampant stupidity was leaving a loaded gun lying on the table. There are frequent news stories about macho jerks keeping loaded weapons in their homes and very young kids finding them and playing with them and killing someone. That is plain stupidity. I had guns in my home when raising kids. They were locked up and the long guns were locked or disabled. I had the only key. I did train them to shoot and handle guns responsibly, something they enjoy to this day.
As far as home defense goes, there are often stories of a macho jerk who is awakened in the middle of the night by an intruder and while half asleep they pull their loaded gun out and shoot their kid, wife, or relative. With a gun locked up, it provides some time to wake up before you do something really stupid.
I won’t even comment on the scores of responsible gun owner’s who manage to shoot themselves accidentally or the hunters who head off into the woods with a six pack and a shotgun.
It would be a good thing to make sure would be gun owners would have some basic training as we do with auto licenses. It could focus on safety, legal liability, and knowing what to do with a firearm.
atenczar Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Just google “Family Stabbings.” Maybe we need to be licensed to use knives, too.
keithk501 almost 10 years ago
That “good guy with a gun” demonstrates that he has no idea about what responsible gun ownership is. A responsible gun owner knows that, if you have kids around, you have no business keeping a gun that is not secured in some way. There are just too many good ways to have easy access to your sidearm without the kiddies being able to access it. Trigger locks, biometric or keypad entry safes, lockboxes, etc. This is another example of the ignorant masses hating what they fear and fearing what they don’t understand.
taratus almost 10 years ago
Guns, particularly hand guns, are tools for killing humans. They are dangerous, very dangerous tools. Given that the Constitution says they can’t be banned as a dangerous product, like Lawn Jarts, they should at least be well regulated. Gun OWNERS should demonstrate they understand how to safely use and store them (licensing), they should be required to carry a minimum level of insurance to cover the costs they impose should their weapon cause harm (medical for injuries and liability for misuse or unsafe actions), and the gun they have should be registered to its owner as a means of accountability (you can’t enforce the above without knowing whose gun it is). What objections could there be to a system that treats gun OWNERS like we treat automobile OWNERS and if you are left with “One is a right and the other a privilege" then reexamine that right in light of the Supreme’s decision as detailed below. Once you put that objection to bed, I can’t imagine what you are left with.
Supreme Court Decision regarding the 2nd Amendment, 2008, District of Columbia vs. Heller (Source: Wikipedia) :
“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
Because [the plaintiff] Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home."
braindead Premium Member almost 10 years ago
See, if all those kids at Santa Barbara had been carrying loaded semi-automatic weapons like they should have been, the outcome would have been way different.-We need to get lots and lots of weapons into the hands of students.
dzw3030 almost 10 years ago
Were all those hits about actual shootings or were discussions about incidents also included? I’ve seen multiple hits about the same incident from different sources. Google your own name and see how disparate the results are. Your statement is foolish & ignores the reality of web searches.
cjr53 almost 10 years ago
“Matt very bad even for you. Could be; good guy with a knife, good guy with a car, good guy with a pan of hot grease, good guy with a sharp stick, ect. ".Really??.What is a gun used for besides shooting, wounding or killing someone?.What use does a car have outside killing or wounding someone, a knife, a stick, a pan or a pan of hot grease? .By now, everyone on this board should know the other devices have an intended purpose, and it is not to kill. The gun has an intended purpose, it is to kill..Please wake up.
I Quit almost 10 years ago
Yep, take the outlier and call it the norm. That’ll work.
Wacky Jacky almost 10 years ago
I think if anything we need laws preventing idiots from having kids.