Because it’s oh so much better to deny the law abiding individual that needs protection from getting a weapon. Oh wait, crooks obey laws in the liberal fantasy world. Got it.
It is getting tiresome to comment on this topic, I almost feel like posting links to previous well thought topics. I’ll just have to say that looks like a single shot bolt action rifle held by one guy, and a sharp pointy thing held by the other. Neither would be banned by current legislation.This was a new proposal of which I heard. I can’t recall, is it the DC times or post that’s the liberal tool/conservative propagandist? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/1/law-on-liability-insurance-eyed-for-gun-owners/Respectfully,C.
One of the four fundamental human rights – Freedom from fear – took a serious hit yesterday. When the best arguments against restricting assault weapons and high capacity magazines are:1. Gayle Trotter, Independent Women’s Forum – “that one woman up against 4-5 intruders needs an assault weapon to defend her children.” or2. Lindsay Graham, U.S. Senator – “that one young woman defending herself may find that six bullets are not enough and she will need fifteen.”- Then you have to wonder if the inmates have taken over the institution..I wonder if they have considered that the bad guys are not standing around being willing targets for these courageous young women with high capacity assault weapons?.And that’s not even mentioning Wayne Lapierre, NRA, who has his own financial and power based reasons for promoting fear and paranoia. .The most articulate testimony came from Gabby Giffords who is partially paralyzed and speaks with great difficulty because of a senseless attack from a young man with a high capacity weapon while serving her constituents. And the majority of Gabby’s colleagues will find reasons to allow the public to keep their people-slaughtering weapons. Unbelievable!.The rest of the civilized world who actually do live in freedom from fear are wondering what has happened to the good old U.S.A.
“Could a liberal organization be formed to inform gun safety? No.”Be fair, there are liberals who own guns & are actively involved in guns safety programs. The difference is they aren’t blindly opposed to any change to current laws like the NRA is. The NRA is much more an industry advocate than a “user” advocate these days.The http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/There is also the CMP, which is not politically active, but advocates marksmanship training for youth.
“I don’t carry a gun because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.”I walk in some pretty lousy urban neighborhoods. I don’t think a gun would make me any safer. Being aware of my surroundings & how to avoid potential danger is a LOT more important than being armed.IMO, being armed makes you think you are safer than you really are.
The chances of a complete ban on firearms in the U.S. are zero. There are people on both sides who pretend otherwise. Almost everyone outside of the NRA & their allies realizes that there are weapons currently available that no normal person should want or need. But, for all of the focus on assault rifles, handguns are used in the vast bulk of killings. There are some big loopholes in background checks. It’s too easy to buy a gun in a state with lax regulation & transport it to another state. The NRA law that allows violent felons to have their gun rights restored needs to go.The NRA is an advocate for gun manufacturers, not typical gun owners.
"And once when 2 men tried to lure me out of my house because they knew I had a key to a facility that kept prescription drugs, it wasn’t until I told them I had a gun and knew how to use it that they stopped harassing me. You know what? I think you have a solid case for needing that gun. It sounds like your job makes you a target to criminals & some wilderness areas do have dangerous critters. I don’t think that presents any argument against closing the loopholes on background checks & limiting the types of guns readily available.
“…….And a gun has saved me from physical harm several times, possibly death……”.If you need a gun for protection from predatory animals, carry either a handgun or a rifle. If you need to carry guns to protect you from bad people, unfortunate, but it is what it is. But I don’t see that an assault rifle and a high capacity magazine are the best weapons for the job. .My beef is with people in leadership and responsible positions, such as a number of those testifying before Congress, who promote fear and paranoia with ridiculous scenarios that have no basis in reality..This is not about banning guns useful for personal protection or sport, it is about eliminating the guns designed for wasting the maximum number of people. Has nothing been learned from these recent senseless deaths of innocent people?
“True but a gun being carried by someone else with a CC does protect you.”Nonsense. Gang bangers are known to carry despite laws to the contrary, yet they shoot at one another with impunity. Fortunately, I don’t look like a gang banger. The reality of urban crime is that the cops work a LOT harder to find killers of caucasians & children than they will if the victim is a presumed gangster. The gangsters know this. The overwhelming majority of urban shooting victims are minority males.
Sane gun laws in the U.S. is an insane fantasy. I would recommend people buy stock in companies that make coffins. Especially child-sized coffins. It’s going to be a growth industry.
“……..This is proof tighter Gun Laws will not reduce Gun Violence…….”.It is “proof” of no such thing. You would be closer at “evidence” but even then one part of the evidence does not explain the total occurrence. Also to be considered should be gun trade from outside the region, level of policing, gang warfare, drug trade, Mafia and other organized crime entrenchment, level of poverty, employment opportunities, racial strife, etc. etc. In other words, gun violence is not one dimensional.
“Why does Chicago have the Strictest Gun Laws in the Nation and also have the Highest Gun Violence Rate in the Nation?”Because it’s pretty easy to drive out of Chicago, buy a gun & bring it back. Duh.
Some folks here posted some pretty blase attitudes about shooting people. You clarified yourself further down, so I shouldn’t have put you in that group. But you also seem to think I have no right to comment on your posts. For example: “Owning a gun is legal and a constitutionally protected right. Butt out.”We aren’t allowed to own ANY weapon we wish, never have been. And calling me rude after telling me to “butt out”? Think about it…
I posted a long note on Steve Benson’s toon, but here’s a really substantive report which validates the finding that there are 22 Americans shot for every one protected under legitimate circumstances (e.g., self-defense).http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf
I read these morons on the right, and gun nuts, and INSIST I have MY right to MY favorite weapon (in combat) honored, I want my M-79! Not only is it a grenade launcher, but a short barreled shotgun with four times the number of 00 .32 caliber pellets as a 12 gauge! I could take out “bad guys” even better than Zimmerman, why stalk them and track them down when I could blow them up 100 yards away!, or send a blast into them at close range that shreds ‘em like confetti! I want CLAYMORES to ring my house with, get them “bad guys”, 30 at a time!! Flamethrower! Those poor defenseless children cowering behind “mamma” don’t worry about her running out of bullets, she can set those bad guys, (and half the neighborhood) on fire, THAT will fix ’em!!
Please note, not one of these weapons is a “semi-auto”, or carries more than one “round” in a clip, so obviously wouldn’t be affected by proposed legislation!
sw10mm over 11 years ago
Because it’s oh so much better to deny the law abiding individual that needs protection from getting a weapon. Oh wait, crooks obey laws in the liberal fantasy world. Got it.
chazandru over 11 years ago
It is getting tiresome to comment on this topic, I almost feel like posting links to previous well thought topics. I’ll just have to say that looks like a single shot bolt action rifle held by one guy, and a sharp pointy thing held by the other. Neither would be banned by current legislation.This was a new proposal of which I heard. I can’t recall, is it the DC times or post that’s the liberal tool/conservative propagandist? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/1/law-on-liability-insurance-eyed-for-gun-owners/Respectfully,C.
cjr53 over 11 years ago
Hmmm, see if you can speak with Adam Lanza’s mother about that one.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
One of the four fundamental human rights – Freedom from fear – took a serious hit yesterday. When the best arguments against restricting assault weapons and high capacity magazines are:1. Gayle Trotter, Independent Women’s Forum – “that one woman up against 4-5 intruders needs an assault weapon to defend her children.” or2. Lindsay Graham, U.S. Senator – “that one young woman defending herself may find that six bullets are not enough and she will need fifteen.”- Then you have to wonder if the inmates have taken over the institution..I wonder if they have considered that the bad guys are not standing around being willing targets for these courageous young women with high capacity assault weapons?.And that’s not even mentioning Wayne Lapierre, NRA, who has his own financial and power based reasons for promoting fear and paranoia. .The most articulate testimony came from Gabby Giffords who is partially paralyzed and speaks with great difficulty because of a senseless attack from a young man with a high capacity weapon while serving her constituents. And the majority of Gabby’s colleagues will find reasons to allow the public to keep their people-slaughtering weapons. Unbelievable!.The rest of the civilized world who actually do live in freedom from fear are wondering what has happened to the good old U.S.A.
ARodney over 11 years ago
Guns are 40 times more likely to kill someone in the house than an intruder. But conservatives reject math…
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Could a liberal organization be formed to inform gun safety? No.”Be fair, there are liberals who own guns & are actively involved in guns safety programs. The difference is they aren’t blindly opposed to any change to current laws like the NRA is. The NRA is much more an industry advocate than a “user” advocate these days.The http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/There is also the CMP, which is not politically active, but advocates marksmanship training for youth.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
“I don’t carry a gun because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.”I walk in some pretty lousy urban neighborhoods. I don’t think a gun would make me any safer. Being aware of my surroundings & how to avoid potential danger is a LOT more important than being armed.IMO, being armed makes you think you are safer than you really are.
William A Short Premium Member over 11 years ago
Nope.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
The chances of a complete ban on firearms in the U.S. are zero. There are people on both sides who pretend otherwise. Almost everyone outside of the NRA & their allies realizes that there are weapons currently available that no normal person should want or need. But, for all of the focus on assault rifles, handguns are used in the vast bulk of killings. There are some big loopholes in background checks. It’s too easy to buy a gun in a state with lax regulation & transport it to another state. The NRA law that allows violent felons to have their gun rights restored needs to go.The NRA is an advocate for gun manufacturers, not typical gun owners.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
“LOVELY country you’re building down there.”The “kill ’em all & let god sort ’em out” types like ansonia & harley, are very much in the minority.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
"And once when 2 men tried to lure me out of my house because they knew I had a key to a facility that kept prescription drugs, it wasn’t until I told them I had a gun and knew how to use it that they stopped harassing me. You know what? I think you have a solid case for needing that gun. It sounds like your job makes you a target to criminals & some wilderness areas do have dangerous critters. I don’t think that presents any argument against closing the loopholes on background checks & limiting the types of guns readily available.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
“…….And a gun has saved me from physical harm several times, possibly death……”.If you need a gun for protection from predatory animals, carry either a handgun or a rifle. If you need to carry guns to protect you from bad people, unfortunate, but it is what it is. But I don’t see that an assault rifle and a high capacity magazine are the best weapons for the job. .My beef is with people in leadership and responsible positions, such as a number of those testifying before Congress, who promote fear and paranoia with ridiculous scenarios that have no basis in reality..This is not about banning guns useful for personal protection or sport, it is about eliminating the guns designed for wasting the maximum number of people. Has nothing been learned from these recent senseless deaths of innocent people?
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
“True but a gun being carried by someone else with a CC does protect you.”Nonsense. Gang bangers are known to carry despite laws to the contrary, yet they shoot at one another with impunity. Fortunately, I don’t look like a gang banger. The reality of urban crime is that the cops work a LOT harder to find killers of caucasians & children than they will if the victim is a presumed gangster. The gangsters know this. The overwhelming majority of urban shooting victims are minority males.
Stray over 11 years ago
Sane gun laws in the U.S. is an insane fantasy. I would recommend people buy stock in companies that make coffins. Especially child-sized coffins. It’s going to be a growth industry.
remrafdn over 11 years ago
Overkill
adherent#1 over 11 years ago
I need my gun, you see…He’s my best friend…
Bwa hahahahahahahaaha!
lindz.coop Premium Member over 11 years ago
I worked on the streets of Detroit in both adult probation and child protection and I never carried a gun.
Gypsy8 over 11 years ago
“……..This is proof tighter Gun Laws will not reduce Gun Violence…….”.It is “proof” of no such thing. You would be closer at “evidence” but even then one part of the evidence does not explain the total occurrence. Also to be considered should be gun trade from outside the region, level of policing, gang warfare, drug trade, Mafia and other organized crime entrenchment, level of poverty, employment opportunities, racial strife, etc. etc. In other words, gun violence is not one dimensional.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
“Why does Chicago have the Strictest Gun Laws in the Nation and also have the Highest Gun Violence Rate in the Nation?”Because it’s pretty easy to drive out of Chicago, buy a gun & bring it back. Duh.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 11 years ago
Some folks here posted some pretty blase attitudes about shooting people. You clarified yourself further down, so I shouldn’t have put you in that group. But you also seem to think I have no right to comment on your posts. For example: “Owning a gun is legal and a constitutionally protected right. Butt out.”We aren’t allowed to own ANY weapon we wish, never have been. And calling me rude after telling me to “butt out”? Think about it…
Motivemagus over 11 years ago
I posted a long note on Steve Benson’s toon, but here’s a really substantive report which validates the finding that there are 22 Americans shot for every one protected under legitimate circumstances (e.g., self-defense).http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/publications/WhitePaper102512_CGPR.pdf
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
I read these morons on the right, and gun nuts, and INSIST I have MY right to MY favorite weapon (in combat) honored, I want my M-79! Not only is it a grenade launcher, but a short barreled shotgun with four times the number of 00 .32 caliber pellets as a 12 gauge! I could take out “bad guys” even better than Zimmerman, why stalk them and track them down when I could blow them up 100 yards away!, or send a blast into them at close range that shreds ‘em like confetti! I want CLAYMORES to ring my house with, get them “bad guys”, 30 at a time!! Flamethrower! Those poor defenseless children cowering behind “mamma” don’t worry about her running out of bullets, she can set those bad guys, (and half the neighborhood) on fire, THAT will fix ’em!!
Please note, not one of these weapons is a “semi-auto”, or carries more than one “round” in a clip, so obviously wouldn’t be affected by proposed legislation!
cjr53 over 11 years ago
60 years later and I’ve never had to shoot anyone or a gun. I’m still alive.
cjr53 over 11 years ago
Oh harlie, sweetie pie, honey chile, her own gun was used to kill her. Don’t you get that? She wasn’t able to protect herself from her own gun.