Is the article about Rice in TreeHugger true? If so, then Rice cannot be considered for secretary of state. She has a conflict of interest based on her major investments in oil and gas.
The GOP is assuming that Susan Rice is the natural replacement for Hillary. If they can sink her possible nomination, then John Kerry might leave his Senate job to take the Sec of State position, opening up a vacancy in Massachusetts that Scott Brown would fill.…………………….. John Kerry, who was swiftboated and called names 24/7 on FOX during his run for president, is suddenly the best man to represent the country, according to every critic of Rice. Every Republican says they will block Susan Rice, but then they curiously mention, how they would easily pass Kerry as Sec of State. This is too well rehearsed not to be political.
And yet no violence or extremist behavior has ever taken place by tea party members. However both violence and extremist behavior have taken place by liberals and democrats at democrat rallies.
I don’t think Colin Powell knew he was delivering falsehoods at the UN; I think he was played by his administration.But it does take an awful lot of hypocrisy for these Republican Senators to be all up in arms about Susan Rice when they were all cool with Condoleeza, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and W aggressively cherry-picking bad intelligence that would only fit with what they already wanted to do, provide extremely tortured and dishonest rationalizations based on that bad intelligence (Iraq was going to give suitcase nukes to Al Qaeda? Please), and then start an unfunded war getting over 100,000 people killed.One can honestly debate the wisdom of going out there with watered-down, misleading talking points from the CIA, but it was Mitt Romney who was crassly all over the incident trying to capitalize on it for political gain. And this faux indignation and concern is just the height of hypocrisy
Why are people assuming that if Kerry becomes secretary of state, Scott Brown will get the senate seat in MA? Brown’s approval took quite a beating in the last election against Warren. I can think of several MA Democrats who could probably beat him. If we can talk Gov. Patrick into running, Brown probably wouldn’t even run. (I’m from MA).
If you read Rice’s statement, it had some many fudge phrases it would be better to accuse her of not saying anything. She was clearly just a mouthpiece repeating talking points in an area outside of her normal area of responsibilities. UN representatives don’t normally deal with consulate security.
She was given incomplete information, not false, because there was an ongoing investigation, and the CIA didn’t want it generally known that they had a secret base in Benghazi (thank Daryl Issa’s incompetent political witch-hunt for that revelation). She also said that the full story would be known after an investigation (still ongoing) is complete, and it’s not fair to quote her without that context. What is said on Sunday talk shows is just not that big a deal if you don’t watch Fox News.
I’ve heard similar statements from Powell, but I still think it’s a stretch to say he knowingly lied at the UN. He had reservations but he gave the benefit of the doubt to the people he worked with.As you say, I think the rest of the administration was banking on Powell’s reputation and intentionally keeping him in the dark.Heck, I’ll even go so far as to say Rumsfeld and Cheney may have even believed the manure they were shoveling at the time. Their frenzy to aggressively cherry-pick bad information and push reports in directions they wanted can be written off as extreme myopia, not simple dishonesty.The overt dishonesty was in the extrapolations they went on to make from it. “We have to invade Iraq because he’s going to be handing out these WMD to nut jobs all over the world!” A) most of the recipients they were talking about also hated the regime in Iraq and couldn’t be trusted not to use them locally and B) Saddam liked being the king of his little hill; do you think he wanted to be on the hook as the return address for WMD used by Al Qaeda when/where they wanted? Even if you accept that they believed their willfully flawed intelligence about WMD, using that as the pretext for invasion never made any sense.
Just remember Tom Ricks on Fox news. All we need to know. And then Fox ‘News’ lied about an apology. The idiots that regularly watch need psychiatric help desperately.
Presumably the information provided to Colin Powell came from people who knew information that Mr. Powell didn’t know, so he wen tout and presented information that he felt was questionable. This was from Mr. Powell’s own mouth.^^Of course, mechanic is correct, Powell WAS duped, why do you think he left his post before the second term; Powell is a man of integrity, and I believe he was purposely fed misinformation by the CIA, and shouldn’t take the blame, so, WHY should Susan Rice be crucified for doing exactly the same thing?
Most remarkable thing about this is that Condosleza Rice did the same thing AFTER she was Sec. of State and the Repubs were fine with it. Oh,there WAS one difference. She KNEW she was lying!
No extremist behavior from the tea party? How about the people gathering in DC to protest Obama from the very beginning, carrying photographs of mounds of bodies from the holocaust and smiling? Smiling. Think about that.
Or how about the Republican party meeting in Montana, where they put up an outhouse with the sign “Obama Presidential Library”, replete with crude writings on its walls about Michelle? Not one person there had the guts to say this was inappropriate. Or maybe no one thought it was…..
Or how about when Mr. Santorum was campaigning at a shooting range, and while he was talking to an open mic, someone took aim at a target while a woman encouraged him to “pretend it’s Obama”?
Yes, she has investments in foreign companies that do some business in Iran.…………….Didn’t we have a vice president, who headed a business called Halliburton, that set up a home office first in the Cayman’s and later in Dubai to continue doing business with Iran. Seems that if the investment is through a foreign country, it complies with the sanctions.
Basqueian over 11 years ago
They forgot WMDs already?
ConserveGov over 11 years ago
She’s either extremely ignorant or helped in a coverup. Either way she’s not even close to being qualified.
SkepticGirl over 11 years ago
Is the article about Rice in TreeHugger true? If so, then Rice cannot be considered for secretary of state. She has a conflict of interest based on her major investments in oil and gas.
http://www.treehugger.com/environmental-policy/obama-secretary-state-candidate-has-significant-financial-stake-tar-sands-companies.html
jazzmoose over 11 years ago
Why is the “you have been hijacked by extremist elements” pointing in the wrong direction?
feverjr Premium Member over 11 years ago
The GOP is assuming that Susan Rice is the natural replacement for Hillary. If they can sink her possible nomination, then John Kerry might leave his Senate job to take the Sec of State position, opening up a vacancy in Massachusetts that Scott Brown would fill.…………………….. John Kerry, who was swiftboated and called names 24/7 on FOX during his run for president, is suddenly the best man to represent the country, according to every critic of Rice. Every Republican says they will block Susan Rice, but then they curiously mention, how they would easily pass Kerry as Sec of State. This is too well rehearsed not to be political.
RR208 over 11 years ago
Some politicians are very angry they lost an election.She is the sacrificial goat on the alter of their anger.
WestNYC Premium Member over 11 years ago
I guess we shouldn’t “Question Authority” after all . . . if its a Democrat at least.
zoidknight over 11 years ago
And yet no violence or extremist behavior has ever taken place by tea party members. However both violence and extremist behavior have taken place by liberals and democrats at democrat rallies.
Christopher Shea over 11 years ago
Bin Laden. Next.
walruscarver2000 over 11 years ago
“So he says to the Republicans, ‘Get a life!’, and they did, but they chose the one from MacBeth.”
(It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.)
meetinthemiddle over 11 years ago
I don’t think Colin Powell knew he was delivering falsehoods at the UN; I think he was played by his administration.But it does take an awful lot of hypocrisy for these Republican Senators to be all up in arms about Susan Rice when they were all cool with Condoleeza, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and W aggressively cherry-picking bad intelligence that would only fit with what they already wanted to do, provide extremely tortured and dishonest rationalizations based on that bad intelligence (Iraq was going to give suitcase nukes to Al Qaeda? Please), and then start an unfunded war getting over 100,000 people killed.One can honestly debate the wisdom of going out there with watered-down, misleading talking points from the CIA, but it was Mitt Romney who was crassly all over the incident trying to capitalize on it for political gain. And this faux indignation and concern is just the height of hypocrisy
pdchapin over 11 years ago
Why are people assuming that if Kerry becomes secretary of state, Scott Brown will get the senate seat in MA? Brown’s approval took quite a beating in the last election against Warren. I can think of several MA Democrats who could probably beat him. If we can talk Gov. Patrick into running, Brown probably wouldn’t even run. (I’m from MA).
pdchapin over 11 years ago
If you read Rice’s statement, it had some many fudge phrases it would be better to accuse her of not saying anything. She was clearly just a mouthpiece repeating talking points in an area outside of her normal area of responsibilities. UN representatives don’t normally deal with consulate security.
ARodney over 11 years ago
She was given incomplete information, not false, because there was an ongoing investigation, and the CIA didn’t want it generally known that they had a secret base in Benghazi (thank Daryl Issa’s incompetent political witch-hunt for that revelation). She also said that the full story would be known after an investigation (still ongoing) is complete, and it’s not fair to quote her without that context. What is said on Sunday talk shows is just not that big a deal if you don’t watch Fox News.
meetinthemiddle over 11 years ago
I’ve heard similar statements from Powell, but I still think it’s a stretch to say he knowingly lied at the UN. He had reservations but he gave the benefit of the doubt to the people he worked with.As you say, I think the rest of the administration was banking on Powell’s reputation and intentionally keeping him in the dark.Heck, I’ll even go so far as to say Rumsfeld and Cheney may have even believed the manure they were shoveling at the time. Their frenzy to aggressively cherry-pick bad information and push reports in directions they wanted can be written off as extreme myopia, not simple dishonesty.The overt dishonesty was in the extrapolations they went on to make from it. “We have to invade Iraq because he’s going to be handing out these WMD to nut jobs all over the world!” A) most of the recipients they were talking about also hated the regime in Iraq and couldn’t be trusted not to use them locally and B) Saddam liked being the king of his little hill; do you think he wanted to be on the hook as the return address for WMD used by Al Qaeda when/where they wanted? Even if you accept that they believed their willfully flawed intelligence about WMD, using that as the pretext for invasion never made any sense.
Rickapolis over 11 years ago
Just remember Tom Ricks on Fox news. All we need to know. And then Fox ‘News’ lied about an apology. The idiots that regularly watch need psychiatric help desperately.
Mikeyj over 11 years ago
Presumably the information provided to Colin Powell came from people who knew information that Mr. Powell didn’t know, so he wen tout and presented information that he felt was questionable. This was from Mr. Powell’s own mouth.^^Of course, mechanic is correct, Powell WAS duped, why do you think he left his post before the second term; Powell is a man of integrity, and I believe he was purposely fed misinformation by the CIA, and shouldn’t take the blame, so, WHY should Susan Rice be crucified for doing exactly the same thing?
walruscarver2000 over 11 years ago
Most remarkable thing about this is that Condosleza Rice did the same thing AFTER she was Sec. of State and the Repubs were fine with it. Oh,there WAS one difference. She KNEW she was lying!
I Play One On TV over 11 years ago
@zoidnight:
No extremist behavior from the tea party? How about the people gathering in DC to protest Obama from the very beginning, carrying photographs of mounds of bodies from the holocaust and smiling? Smiling. Think about that.
Or how about the Republican party meeting in Montana, where they put up an outhouse with the sign “Obama Presidential Library”, replete with crude writings on its walls about Michelle? Not one person there had the guts to say this was inappropriate. Or maybe no one thought it was…..
Or how about when Mr. Santorum was campaigning at a shooting range, and while he was talking to an open mic, someone took aim at a target while a woman encouraged him to “pretend it’s Obama”?
TELawrence over 11 years ago
Shades of the McCarthy hearings?
feverjr Premium Member over 11 years ago
Yes, she has investments in foreign companies that do some business in Iran.…………….Didn’t we have a vice president, who headed a business called Halliburton, that set up a home office first in the Cayman’s and later in Dubai to continue doing business with Iran. Seems that if the investment is through a foreign country, it complies with the sanctions.