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  1. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, about 1 year ago

    Sorry Tommy, but if you’re living on your own and making minimum wage, you’re already in poverty. Raising it to $10 will not change that.
    BUT….. It will cause another half MILION people to have no job!
    Minimum wage is for brand new workers or students. Most people with half a work ethic move out of minimum wage within 1 year.

  2. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, about 1 year ago

    @ConserveGov

    Actually, raising the minimum 3 dolllars will pull many rhousands above the poverty line and off the “welfare” roles. Besides, inflation being what it is, leaving the MW alone IS the same thing as lowering it.

    Raising the minimum to $10 will be enough to give it the same purchasing power it had in 1960. When the country was much less productive (i.e. efficient) overall.

    Places that have a MW higher than the federal one have not in fact suffered job losses or job flight.

    However, I think a case could be make for lower a minimum wage for people under 21 years of age, on the theory that they probably aren’t their own sole support, do not have job skills and habits yet.

    “The laborer is worthy of his hire.” — Luke 10:7

  3. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, about 1 year ago

    Without a MW, experience proves that employers will lower wages across the board when the economy turns down, knowing that, when jobs are scarce, workers will “just have to take it.” Lowering wages lessens overall buying power and while it may help the individual employer cut his costs, if everyone does it, it depresses the economy overall.

    This is one of the problems with our present economy. The CEO makes as much money as a thousand of his employees combined. But he doesn’t buy a thousand times as much in goods and services: a thousand times as many cars or houses or milk or clothes. The market for luxuries is doing fine: but that doesn’t employ anywhere near as many people as a bigger market for middle-class goods would employ. When Tiffany’s prospers, it doesn’t do the country as much good as when General Motors prospers.

    Of course, when the economy is booming and jobs are plentiful, UNLIKE TODAY, and employers are competing to find and retain workers, the MW serves less purpose.

    Ensuring the MW keeps up with inflation is no panacea, but is simply justice and and sound policy.

    Raising the minimum wage too fast or too high would be a problem, but there is no such proposal on the table.

  4. RevBobMIB

    RevBobMIB said, about 1 year ago

    Just for starters, raising the minimum wage will get lots of Walmart’s workers off of welfare, reducing the roughly $900K/year tax burden that each Walmart store costs its community.
     
    Imagine that – one of the biggest companies on the planet might have to pay its own workers instead of stealing our taxes to do it for them. THE HORROR!
     
    But then, I think we could use a good, solid infrastructure stimulus program for the next couple of years. Think of it as a second WPA – while interest rates are at rock-bottom, hire the unemployed to rebuild our national infrastructure. Yes, it’s short-term deficit spending – but it gets people off of the unemployment rolls and into useful jobs. They make money, they spend it, that creates more demand, the private sector needs to hire more people instead of just socking its record profits away in the Caymans, and by 2016 we could actually be out of this recession!
     
    Naaah, we can’t have that. Might hurt the GOP’s chances in the next election, and that’s WAY more important than silly little things like running the country, right?

  5. RevBobMIB

    RevBobMIB said, about 1 year ago

    Forgot to mention – we’re going to have to repair our infrastructure sometime. It’s not going to fix itself, and the longer we wait, the more expensive it’s going to be. Low interest rates make the deficit spending less painful, the recession makes the labor cheaper, and hiring the unemployed makes it even less expensive because we’re not paying those unemployment benefits. It’s a win all the way around, except for the political costs to those who oppose it.

  6. cdward

    cdward said, about 1 year ago

    CBO report is also not the end report. Several economists have stepped forward to suggest there would be little or no job loss, and even if there were, it would be offset by the reduction in working poor on Welfare. The extra money in their pockets would, in turn, stimulate the economy and ultimately result in more jobs.

  7. Habenero Hound

    Habenero Hound said, about 1 year ago

    @RevBobMIB

    Why would you think that conservatives oppose the idea of using the unemployed to accomplish something beneficial rather than just sending them a check every month? The opposition to your infrastructure repair via the unemployed will come from the workers who are doing it now. They’ll feel like their jobs have been subsidized right out of their grasp. Whether it’s infrastructure repair, urban renewal projects, storm damage repair efforts, litter removal…..whatever, I think there’s a long list of worthwhile work that could be done in exchange for all the taxpayer dollars that are being handed out.

  8. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    How is creating jobs for teenagers and 2nd jobs for people “putting people into poverty”?
    The Report is spot on no matter how Obama cries! Paying someone more then they are worth for a job will create less jobs. It will also cause stagnation because those at the lower jobs will be required to do more in less time to make up the difference. Less will be hired to cover more work. Less will move OUT of min. wage job because they will be doing the work of 2 and are already being paid for such work.

  9. crabbyrino

    crabbyrino GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    Infrastructure infrastructure and infrastructure … Solid jobs will create solid infrastructure. Solid infrastructure creates solid economy.

  10. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @RevBobMIB

    Forgot to mention – we’re going to have to repair our infrastructure sometime"
    What ever happen to the Trillions Obama spent on Stimulus, magic green jobs and “summers of recovery”?
    Oh that right, Obama got Obamacare yet another FAILURE!

  11. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @ConserveGov

    Minimum wage is for brand new workers or students. Most people with half a work ethic move out of minimum wage within 1 year."
    How dare you suggest a person “earn” what they make. Don’t you know it is the role of mommy government to dictate what you are worth and it is the employers role to just print up the money to cover the expense. And don’t you dare bring up the labor participation rates that are at a 30 year low. Raising the Min. will only hurt that number.

  12. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @crabbyrino

    Infrastructure infrastructure and infrastructure"
    Stimulus? Leave it up to the States? But how is Obama paying more for someone to hold a road sign going to create jobs? You are right in that Unions use Min. Wage as a base line wage multiplier. And it will be Unions for the most part that the government will hire. So how is paying them more create more jobs?

  13. Bob

    Bob said, about 1 year ago

    @Doughfoot

    “Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow;
    they toil not, neither do they spin.” — Matthew 6:28

  14. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @TheTrustedMechanic

    TheTrustedMechanic GoComics PRO Member said, 7 minutes ago
    @cdward
    “…reduction in working poor on Welfare. The extra money in their pockets would, in turn, stimulate the economy and ultimately result in more jobs.”
    Now you’re just talkin’ all crazy like. "
    true that,
    how is making an employer pay more going to get people off welfare, when those on welfare can not get the job that pays more in the 1st place?
    “extra money in the pockets” HOW when what you are going to by is now more expensive because employers have to raise the price to cover employees birth control?

  15. ARodney

    ARodney said, about 1 year ago

    @ConserveGov

    Boy, you guys sure know how to spin a report. The benefits of raising the minimum wage are well-established and certain. Many millions of people will be better off, 900,000 out of poverty, and less spent on social welfare. The loss of jobs part of the report is purely speculative, and based on shaky research (as fully admitted in the report). Naturally, that’s the only part that conservatives will read. “What’s good for America is bad for the Republican party. Always.”

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