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  1. PianoGuy24

    PianoGuy24 GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    Make it so 123 million people won’t lose their current healthcare and doctors (if they like them). Make it so premiums and deductibles don’t double or triple. Then we might have something.

  2. Clark  Kent

    Clark Kent said, 5 months ago

    We should have universal healthcare like other countries have.

  3. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, 5 months ago

    @Clark Kent

    Ya! We should also have free houses, cars and unicorns too.

  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, 5 months ago

    @ConserveGov

    Don’t understand the “like other countries have” part, eh?

  5. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 5 months ago

    Now, about 44,000 Americans die every year from treatable diseases and injuries because they don’t have access to adequate healthcare (that free care at emergency rooms doesn’t seem to work all that well for them)


    Clearly, this is a great thing. Darwin and all that. Just look at the great specimens our eugenics programme is producing.

  6. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, 5 months ago

    @PianoGuy24

    About 12 million Americans are presently on individually-purchased health insurance, and for many of them coverage will be cheaper than before, and for some of them (those who were not on year-by-year policies) their insurance company can continue to offer them their old policies, if the company wants to. (Not the law’s fault if the company doesn’t want to.)

    The 7 to 10 million with substandard annual policies will have to buy new policies. That’s true. In some cases, their old doctor will not be on the network of the new company. That’s true. Is that their new insurance company’s fault, the doctor’s fault, or the law’s fault? It happened to me before when my employer changed insurance carrier (without my consent) and my doctor was not with my new carrier. Nothing new there.
    If you now have to buy insurance than meets the new standard, and you are young, male, and healthy, you will have to pay more than before. If you old, sick, and female you will be paying less than before. ( This is bad because … why? … because young healthy males should not have to pay the same rates as sick, old women, as they have up till now?

    The group that is worst effected are those who have done without health insurance, or with only catastrophic coverage, by choice. Who were willing to bet their lives on being able to “tough it out” when they got sick, and risk becoming uninsurable if they came down with some chronic condition. Their gambling is now more expensive for them.

    However, the 123 million Americans NOT presently on government health insurance are not ALL directly effected. In fact, it is now harder for employers to stop sponsoring their employees’ coverage. And about 110 million of that 123 million currently have employer-sponsored health insurance.


    So, go ahead and criticize the ACA. There are things about it to criticize. But PLEASE, criticize what is actually wrong with it, with accurate (rather than made-up) numbers.

    It would be possible to build a car that would cost half as much, or a third as much, as any car now on the market. It would fail every safety and inspection standard, of course. But if that’s what you were used to driving, and you’d been lucky so far, and suddenly cars were required to be built to the present standards, the situation would be much the same.

  7. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, 5 months ago

    The numbers I gave refer to adults only, not their dependent children. Just like to be clear.

  8. avarner

    avarner said, 5 months ago

    We need socialism here. Then everything would be free for everyone.

    Won’t that be wonderful?

  9. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, 5 months ago

    @PianoGuy24

    Then you should have supported Obama when he expressed his preference for single-payer. This is a Republican plan, remember? It locks people into the existing insurance companies who are the source of the overpriced healthcare in this country.

  10. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, 5 months ago

    @human

    You are comparing apples with oranges. The reason auto liability insurance is cheaper is that many accidents do not cause injury and accident-avoidance is now easier (due to onerous job-killing safety regulations). On the health care side, however, the US has the highest rate of bankruptcies for health-related reasons in the world. Something to be proud of.

    As a doctor, I fully agree that costs should come down. Perhaps the quarter million in build-out costs and minimum equipment I invested to open my practice should have cost me less, but I had little control over that. Regardless, I can tell you this: I get less money per exam from insurance today than I did when I got out of school in 1979 and people paid me directly. So, part of the problem has been solved: doctors and hospitals have had our pay cut constantly since then, especially indexed to the value of the dollar. If you want to find out why health care costs so much, I’ll tell you that part of it is equipment that is now mandated for standard of care, and the other part is the amount of dollars insurance companies feel the need to keep for themselves.

    Although I can appreciate your positions, they are not based on the real world of health care. I am not finding fault with you personally; there are many entities who have a vested interest in misinforming the public, so that their unhappiness will be directed anywhere but the true source. It’s hard to know what to do when the “facts” that are presented cannot be trusted.

  11. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, 5 months ago

    @avarner

    “We need socialism here. Then everything would be free for everyone.”

    I recommend you learn about socialism before making that statement. Although your statement is funny in a Fox News sort of way, no socialist society has ever offered anything for free. Every economic system requires money to come in for money to go out, regardless of construction, just like your household. Socialism isn’t perfect, but neither is capitalism. But I’m pretty sure that your definition of socialism, like that of many posters on this site, is erroneous.

  12. ScullyUFO

    ScullyUFO said, 5 months ago

    Once in east Texas I was trying to wire some flowers to my spouse, then in Canada. The young lady behind the counter had no idea where Canada was; seriously.

    There is no point in talking about “like other countries have” to most Americans, as the majority of Americans have sadly not been outside their own counties. Besides that, they have drunk the kool-aid that other countries, if there are any and wherever they may be, are “soshalist”. Ironically, such people are constantly screaming “Freedom”, while they have no idea how their health care system robs them of the freedom they pretend to defend.

    Until the “Debt Frees” and “ConservaGovs” of America can shed their ignorance, it will continue to be impossible to have a reasonable and universal health care system in the United States, or even a reasonable discussion.

  13. Robert Landers

    Robert Landers said, 5 months ago

    @ScullyUFO

    You state:

    “Until the “Debt Frees” and “ConservaGovs” of America can shed their ignorance, it will continue to be impossible to have a reasonable and universal health care system in the United States, or even a reasonable discussion.”

    From reading the posts of such people (and there are many more here) do you actually think that is EVER going to happen???

  14. JmcaRice

    JmcaRice GoComics PRO Member said, 5 months ago

    The reference in the cartoon is that of George Wallace ‘blocking the schoolhouse door’ at the University of Alabama in June 1963. Wallace was a lifelong Democrat and avowed racist. His late-in-life apology for his actions as governor during the segregation era was wholly insincere but managed to fool some people. It is truly sad how so many historians whitewash his life and rarely ever mention that he was a Democrat until the day he died.

  15. Gary Kleppe

    Gary Kleppe said, 5 months ago

    I love right-wing logic. Clearly the government shouldn’t be providing free police and fire protection, because if it did then we might as well be giving everyone free solid gold limousines.

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