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  1. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 3 years ago

    Sometimes saying “Please Mr. Terrorist, tell us where the next bomb is” just doesn’t cut it.

    Enhanced interrogation was and is very rare, but when needed, it saves lives.

  2. Ira Nayman

    Ira Nayman said, over 3 years ago

    ConserveGov: it’s not “enhanced interrogation,” it’s torture. And just about everybody who has ever been involved with it has said that it does NOT work, it does not get actionable intelligence, it does not save lives.

    So, to recap: the United States tortures people, it holds them for a decade or more without trial or even charges, it uses drones to indiscriminately kill people in countries it is not at war with. Remind me, again, why you think you deserve the moral high ground?

  3. jnik23260

    jnik23260 said, over 3 years ago

    And here’s our next guest, straight from Boston…

  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 3 years ago

    The principle on which this country was founded was that governments and legislatures do not GIVE people their rights, God and/or the laws of Nature DO. Governments can only recognize and respect those rights, or fail to.

    When a person is in custody, to say “He is too evil to be given rights” is to say “He is too evil to be given justice.” To deny anyone justice because it would be inconvenient to the state for him to have justice sounds like a good definition of the abuse of power. It is a betrayal of the principles that define America.

    We may still choose to go there at times: but when we do, we should have no illusions about what we are doing. We are betraying ourselves. We do not respect the rights of “bad guys” for their sakes, but for ours.

    This is precisely what we should be talking about when we talk about “limited government.” The use of torture is the ultimate example of “unlimited government” and should be abhorred by anyone who does not believe in the absolute power of the state.

  5. Alan Rees

    Alan Rees said, over 3 years ago

    @Doughfoot

    Amen!

  6. midas welby

    midas welby said, over 3 years ago

    Jesus must be very proud of you.

  7. Larry

    Larry said, over 3 years ago

    My image from my generation is planting the Flag on the Moon. That is pride.
    My image of the current generation is the prisoner in orange, head covered, standing on a chair. That is shame.

  8. corzak

    corzak said, over 3 years ago

    Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, as part of the U.S. Bill of Rights, simply:

    “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”

    Period. Those who continually lecture us about how we must always remain faithful to the Constittuion, and how we need unyielding obedience to the 2nd Amendment — but at the same time support and argue for “enhanced interrogation” — in any form and for any reason — are liars and hypocrites and must be told so.

  9. corzak

    corzak said, over 3 years ago

    If you favor torture by electrocution, as practiced by many of most ferocious dictatorial regimes around the world, then don’t ever post on these boards that you support the US Constitution.

  10. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, over 3 years ago

    Contradicting prior assertions by many Bush administration officials, the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s recent 6,000-page classified report on so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” concludes that torture did not help the CIA and other intelligence agencies in their pursuit.
    Sens. John McCain, Carl Levin and Dianne Feinstein went so far as to chastise Sony Pictures for a “grossly inaccurate” and irresponsible misrepresentation of history in Zero Dark Thirty.

    National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said the path to tracking down Bin Laden was far more complex than Rodriguez’s explanation.
    “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgement that bin Laden was likely to be living there,” Vietor said.
    And Amnesty International’s fact sheet:
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/pdfs/BinLadenAndTortureFactSheet.pdf

  11. Rickapolis

    Rickapolis said, over 3 years ago

    That the US would result to such unredeemable behavior. ANYONE that excuses the Bush administration for this has lost the right to call themselves civilized. One of the greatest humiliations in American history.

  12. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 3 years ago

    The Torture of captives opens the door for torture to be used against our troops who are captured. We should be striving for everyone to uphold the Geneva Convention, not setting an example to the contrary. (Ask Senator McCain what torture consists of.)

  13. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 3 years ago

    @Justice22

    Riiiight.

    I’m sure the Taliban and Al Queda followed Geneva procedures when they beheaded Americans or when they blow up innocent women and children.

    I think I’d prefer some sleep deprivation and water being poured on me.

  14. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 3 years ago

    Btw… For those of you who say it doesn’t work, just ask KSM.

  15. Mighty Mouse

    Mighty Mouse said, over 3 years ago

    The USA would insist on fighting a Just War against any nation that behaved like the USA did over the past decade.
    I would have expected better morality from McCain.

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