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  1. ConserveGov

    ConserveGov said, over 1 year ago

    Sometimes saying “Please Mr. Terrorist, tell us where the next bomb is” just doesn’t cut it.

    Enhanced interrogation was and is very rare, but when needed, it saves lives.

  2. Ira Nayman

    Ira Nayman said, over 1 year ago

    ConserveGov: it’s not “enhanced interrogation,” it’s torture. And just about everybody who has ever been involved with it has said that it does NOT work, it does not get actionable intelligence, it does not save lives.

    So, to recap: the United States tortures people, it holds them for a decade or more without trial or even charges, it uses drones to indiscriminately kill people in countries it is not at war with. Remind me, again, why you think you deserve the moral high ground?

  3. jnik23260

    jnik23260 said, over 1 year ago

    And here’s our next guest, straight from Boston…

  4. Rad-ish

    Rad-ish GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    On Tuesday, the notion that the Bush Administration didn’t torture, and the notion that it is appropriate for media organizations to remain neutral on that question, suffered what should be a fatal blow.
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    The Task Force on Detainee Treatment, a bipartisan commission convened by the Constitution Project, has just released a comprehensive investigative report on “detainee treatment,” stating in plain, certain terms that torture was perpetrated. The 576-page report begins with a plainspoken introductory statement summarizing its findings. Only two passages are boldfaced. “Perhaps the most important or notable finding of this panel,” it states, “is that it is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture.” And “the second notable conclusion of the Task Force is that the nation’s highest officials bear some responsibility for allowing and contributing to the spread of torture.”

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    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/04/bipartisan-elites-yes-the-bush-administration-totally-tortured/275050/

  5. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 said, over 1 year ago

    @ConserveGov

    Torture does not work. But it is good for getting people to babble whatever you want no matter how wrong it is. It is also a war crime and illegal in these United States for over a century now. But then the US external empire doesn’t care.
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    Torture isn’t rare and is still going on, including in our prisons. It is common, it is criminal, it is morally bankrupt.

  6. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 1 year ago

    The principle on which this country was founded was that governments and legislatures do not GIVE people their rights, God and/or the laws of Nature DO. Governments can only recognize and respect those rights, or fail to.

    When a person is in custody, to say “He is too evil to be given rights” is to say “He is too evil to be given justice.” To deny anyone justice because it would be inconvenient to the state for him to have justice sounds like a good definition of the abuse of power. It is a betrayal of the principles that define America.

    We may still choose to go there at times: but when we do, we should have no illusions about what we are doing. We are betraying ourselves. We do not respect the rights of “bad guys” for their sakes, but for ours.

    This is precisely what we should be talking about when we talk about “limited government.” The use of torture is the ultimate example of “unlimited government” and should be abhorred by anyone who does not believe in the absolute power of the state.

  7. Clark  Kent

    Clark Kent said, over 1 year ago

    @Ira Nayman, @Radish, @Night Gaunt49, @Doughfoot,
    Exactly. This country, I won’t call it a nation, has talked out of both sides of its mouth, and its rear end, since the pilgrims landed.

  8. Alan Rees

    Alan Rees said, over 1 year ago

    @Doughfoot

    Amen!

  9. midas welby

    midas welby said, over 1 year ago

    @Ms. Ima

    Jesus must be very proud of you.

  10. Larry

    Larry said, over 1 year ago

    My image from my generation is planting the Flag on the Moon. That is pride.
    My image of the current generation is the prisoner in orange, head covered, standing on a chair. That is shame.

  11. corzak

    corzak said, over 1 year ago

    Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, as part of the U.S. Bill of Rights, simply:

    “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”

    Period. Those who continually lecture us about how we must always remain faithful to the Constittuion, and how we need unyielding obedience to the 2nd Amendment — but at the same time support and argue for “enhanced interrogation” — in any form and for any reason — are liars and hypocrites and must be told so.

  12. corzak

    corzak said, over 1 year ago

    @Gore Bane

    If you favor torture by electrocution, as practiced by many of most ferocious dictatorial regimes around the world, then don’t ever post on these boards that you support the US Constitution.

  13. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, over 1 year ago

    @onguard

    Contradicting prior assertions by many Bush administration officials, the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s recent 6,000-page classified report on so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” concludes that torture did not help the CIA and other intelligence agencies in their pursuit.
    Sens. John McCain, Carl Levin and Dianne Feinstein went so far as to chastise Sony Pictures for a “grossly inaccurate” and irresponsible misrepresentation of history in Zero Dark Thirty.

    National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said the path to tracking down Bin Laden was far more complex than Rodriguez’s explanation.
    “It took years of collection and analysis from many different sources to develop the case that enabled us to identify this compound, and reach a judgement that bin Laden was likely to be living there,” Vietor said.
    And Amnesty International’s fact sheet:
    http://www.amnestyusa.org/pdfs/BinLadenAndTortureFactSheet.pdf

  14. Rickapolis

    Rickapolis said, over 1 year ago

    That the US would result to such unredeemable behavior. ANYONE that excuses the Bush administration for this has lost the right to call themselves civilized. One of the greatest humiliations in American history.

  15. Justice22

    Justice22 said, over 1 year ago

    The Torture of captives opens the door for torture to be used against our troops who are captured. We should be striving for everyone to uphold the Geneva Convention, not setting an example to the contrary. (Ask Senator McCain what torture consists of.)

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