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Instead of learning skills and respect, they should be more like other kids who spend their day getting high and playing violent video games all day. Get with it Scouts!
I kept my boy out of the scouts because of their out-of-date bigotry. It could be a great program, but this “you’ve worked hard and done everything to qualify as an Eagle scout, but you figured out at 16 that you’re Gay, so tough beans you don’t get a badge” is cruel and unAmerican.
and your point is? They have belief’s – if you don’t agree with them start your own GLB Scout of America – it’s your choice – just like the Boy Scouts beliefs are their choice…
In our scout troop we let the ‘special needs’ kids in and we learned how to appreciate them and make friends. (now for the libs insults calling me ‘special needs’ begin)
The BSA and GSA are fantastic organizations run by humans. Therefore, it will have flaws. The BSA/GSA should be looked at like a school. Lessons are learned, homework is given, assignments are turned in however, not everything a school teaches a child finds agreement with an involved parent. Just as a parent MUST work hand in glove with teachers to get the best results from their child (and to know if the teacher is qualified at theirs) the parent MUST be involved with the troop in which their child participates. My brother was well on his way to being an eagle scout but because he was unwilling to kill a rabbit as part of a survival exercise, the troop master was not going to allow him to advance. With hindsight, I know that could have been contested and my brother could have shown how a survivalist could find edible plants, grubs, bugs, and catch fish for a patch. Science will teach the universe is epochs in age, and a family who holds the universe to have been created 7k years ago will explain why they believe what they believe without demanding their child answer a test paper with those answers. Likewise, a student attending a Christian school will likely be taught gay marriage is a sin before God. It will be up to the parent to decide if they want to keep their child in that school, which could be the best school in their area in all other respects, or to tell their children to answer the test as taught, but to say, “We believe….:” and why. Over the years, news stories have revealed that homosexuality does exist in the BSA, as has pedophilia. The hypocrisy of criticizing the former while continuing a practice of denying the latter has done a great deal of damage to the BSA. Sexuality of any form for children under 18 is inappropriate. It is medically proven children are unable to make truly logic driven decisions until after the age of 19, and often until 24. That also supposes a child brought up with education and positive role models. My daughter was in the GSA for four year. My son was in Pathfinders, a church run scouting organization, because my wife began attending a Saturday church and that conflicted with the BSA meetings. My son went far in his own scouting and I went on some of the camping trips as well. I knew everyone involved and practiced the suggestions I made above. I confess I don’t really know what the badge to which the boy in the toon refers might mean. I believe it might be hard for too many of us to earn THAT kind of badge. Respectfully, C.
What a load! . Where do you think boys learned about choking the chicken? That’s right, at Boy’s Scout Camp! Where do you think the term “Circle Jerk” came from? . I don’t know that I agree with @ARodney (or The Rodney either) These days most people are trying to get as much daylight between them selves and ANYTHING “A Rod” ish. . But he makes a good point. Unlike yours. It’s like you’re trying SO hard to be nonconfrontational that you’re “ok with” anything so long as you can deny to yourself that it affects anyone outside their family. . Example: “…a family who holds the universe to have been created 7k years ago will explain why they believe what they believe without demanding their child answer a test paper with those answers.” . No, they demand that the question NOT be ON the test! . And I don’t care if it’s a Catholic School. The FACTS are the FACTS, you don’t get to be an accredited school in these United States of America if you teach non facts to the students in your care. And as a perant, you are doing immeasurable damage to your child by allowing them to go to a school that teaches outright falsities! How will you grow up to compete in an ever increasingly scientific global economy if you have no legitimate science in your background? . What college will have a student that doesn’t understand the scientific method? How can a child understand the concept of "Research’ if all sources are biblicaly based? . You wind up with basket cases like Exoticdoc2 who have no conceptualization beyond believing that The Bible is the actual word of God (it ain’t!). How can he ever even conceive that there is no such thing as God? How could he investigate life without being able to start at zero? . “Sexuality of any form for children under 18 is inappropriate” . Apparently, (something very snarky about learning after the age of 18) you. . Did you never hear of the book Lolita? . 18? Up until a handful of decades ago, 18 was “Over the hill!” In many cultures, marrying 14 year old girls is the norm. (Not that I agree with it, nor that it doesn’t upset a number of those girls, but the fact does put the lie to your Victorian misogynistic male authoritarianism) . No disrespect.
I was not even a first class scout, let alone earning any merit badges at all. What I do remember was all of the incredible fun I had with other boy clowns of my own age. Going camping was something I probably would never have been able to do otherwise.
I would like to think that I must not be the only man here that remembers just what a hoot and holler playing “Capture The Flag” was.
I especially and very fondly remember Camp Whitsett in the Sierra Nevada mountains. There each group was given an area with a table and stone barbeque, and not much else (no cabins or other impediments to a true outdoor experience). And for all practical purposes NO supervised and organized activities. The only rule I remember is that if you wanted to go hiking you must take along at least one buddy.
Everything else was totally impromptu. Good Lord, but did a group of sub teen and teen age boys have fun with that!!
Not at my scout troop. We had a campout and a hike every month. My scoutmaster was an ex-military and knew the material well. There was no screwing around and abandonment like your troop.
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ConserveGov said, 4 months ago
Instead of learning skills and respect, they should be more like other kids who spend their day getting high and playing violent video games all day. Get with it Scouts!
Radish
said, 4 months ago
And this badge is for ranting…
jonesb said, 4 months ago
Keeping up with the New York Times.
ARodney said, 4 months ago
I kept my boy out of the scouts because of their out-of-date bigotry. It could be a great program, but this “you’ve worked hard and done everything to qualify as an Eagle scout, but you figured out at 16 that you’re Gay, so tough beans you don’t get a badge” is cruel and unAmerican.
magicwalnut said, 4 months ago
Ooooh! I need one of those!
rickf1968 said, 4 months ago
@ARodney
and your point is? They have belief’s – if you don’t agree with them start your own GLB Scout of America – it’s your choice – just like the Boy Scouts beliefs are their choice…
fredgold said, 4 months ago
@rickf1968
The nazis had beliefs also; that doesn’t excuse them. There’s more to it than just “having beleif’s”
dave_at_efi
said, 4 months ago
I’m waiting for the Scouts to define “Duty to God” before I let my kids join.
Ms. Ima said, 4 months ago
@dave_at_efi
In our scout troop we let the ‘special needs’ kids in and we learned how to appreciate them and make friends.
(now for the libs insults calling me ‘special needs’ begin)
Respectful Troll said, 4 months ago
The BSA and GSA are fantastic organizations run by humans. Therefore, it will have flaws. The BSA/GSA should be looked at like a school. Lessons are learned, homework is given, assignments are turned in however, not everything a school teaches a child finds agreement with an involved parent. Just as a parent MUST work hand in glove with teachers to get the best results from their child (and to know if the teacher is qualified at theirs) the parent MUST be involved with the troop in which their child participates. My brother was well on his way to being an eagle scout but because he was unwilling to kill a rabbit as part of a survival exercise, the troop master was not going to allow him to advance. With hindsight, I know that could have been contested and my brother could have shown how a survivalist could find edible plants, grubs, bugs, and catch fish for a patch.
Science will teach the universe is epochs in age, and a family who holds the universe to have been created 7k years ago will explain why they believe what they believe without demanding their child answer a test paper with those answers. Likewise, a student attending a Christian school will likely be taught gay marriage is a sin before God. It will be up to the parent to decide if they want to keep their child in that school, which could be the best school in their area in all other respects, or to tell their children to answer the test as taught, but to say, “We believe….:” and why.
Over the years, news stories have revealed that homosexuality does exist in the BSA, as has pedophilia. The hypocrisy of criticizing the former while continuing a practice of denying the latter has done a great deal of damage to the BSA. Sexuality of any form for children under 18 is inappropriate. It is medically proven children are unable to make truly logic driven decisions until after the age of 19, and often until 24. That also supposes a child brought up with education and positive role models.
My daughter was in the GSA for four year. My son was in Pathfinders, a church run scouting organization, because my wife began attending a Saturday church and that conflicted with the BSA meetings. My son went far in his own scouting and I went on some of the camping trips as well. I knew everyone involved and practiced the suggestions I made above.
I confess I don’t really know what the badge to which the boy in the toon refers might mean. I believe it might be hard for too many of us to earn THAT kind of badge.
Respectfully,
C.
ReasonsVentriloquist said, 4 months ago
@Respectful Troll
What a load!
.
Where do you think boys learned about choking the chicken? That’s right, at Boy’s Scout Camp! Where do you think the term “Circle Jerk” came from?
.
I don’t know that I agree with @ARodney (or The Rodney either) These days most people are trying to get as much daylight between them selves and ANYTHING “A Rod” ish.
.
But he makes a good point. Unlike yours. It’s like you’re trying SO hard to be nonconfrontational that you’re “ok with” anything so long as you can deny to yourself that it affects anyone outside their family.
.
Example: “…a family who holds the universe to have been created 7k years ago will explain why they believe what they believe without demanding their child answer a test paper with those answers.”
.
No, they demand that the question NOT be ON the test!
.
And I don’t care if it’s a Catholic School. The FACTS are the FACTS, you don’t get to be an accredited school in these United States of America if you teach non facts to the students in your care. And as a perant, you are doing immeasurable damage to your child by allowing them to go to a school that teaches outright falsities! How will you grow up to compete in an ever increasingly scientific global economy if you have no legitimate science in your background?
.
What college will have a student that doesn’t understand the scientific method? How can a child understand the concept of "Research’ if all sources are biblicaly based?
.
You wind up with basket cases like Exoticdoc2 who have no conceptualization beyond believing that The Bible is the actual word of God (it ain’t!). How can he ever even conceive that there is no such thing as God? How could he investigate life without being able to start at zero?
.
“Sexuality of any form for children under 18 is inappropriate”
.
Apparently, (something very snarky about learning after the age of 18) you.
.
Did you never hear of the book Lolita?
.
18? Up until a handful of decades ago, 18 was “Over the hill!” In many cultures, marrying 14 year old girls is the norm. (Not that I agree with it, nor that it doesn’t upset a number of those girls, but the fact does put the lie to your Victorian misogynistic male authoritarianism)
.
No disrespect.
Ms. Ima said, 4 months ago
@ReasonsVentriloquist
You had a horrible upbringing by your rendition of your time in scouts. Hope the rest of your life has gone better.
Robert Landers said, 4 months ago
@Ms. Ima
I was not even a first class scout, let alone earning any merit badges at all. What I do remember was all of the incredible fun I had with other boy clowns of my own age. Going camping was something I probably would never have been able to do otherwise.
I would like to think that I must not be the only man here that remembers just what a hoot and holler playing “Capture The Flag” was.
I especially and very fondly remember Camp Whitsett in the Sierra Nevada mountains. There each group was given an area with a table and stone barbeque, and not much else (no cabins or other impediments to a true outdoor experience). And for all practical purposes NO supervised and organized activities. The only rule I remember is that if you wanted to go hiking you must take along at least one buddy.
Everything else was totally impromptu. Good Lord, but did a group of sub teen and teen age boys have fun with that!!
Uncle Joe said, 4 months ago
@Radish
“And this badge is for ranting…”
Ha! Can I get one of those?
Ms. Ima said, 4 months ago
@Robert Landers
Not at my scout troop. We had a campout and a hike every month. My scoutmaster was an ex-military and knew the material well. There was no screwing around and abandonment like your troop.